A religious discussion

Science is based on faith in the facts; religion, on a faith in "revealed truths."

Your statement is naught but the tired & bankrupt refrain that Science is itself a religion.

Rather than attempt to explain it in a short space, I invite you to visit my website:

http://www.thinkingseriously.com

which is a reflection of my studies into all aspects of religion and associated topics.

For fear of DEMONIC DOCTRINE. (Insert ominious music here.)

You see, I have found, especially in the south, that phrase is the equivalant of plugging your ears, closing your eyes and saying as loud as possible I'M NOT LISTENING LA LA LA LA NOT LISTENING LA LA LA LA NOT LISTENING LA LA LA LA NOT LISTENING LA LA LA LA NOT LISTENING LA LA LA LA !!!!.

The Hospitalier orders I greatly admire. The Augustine sisters in particular. I am not Catholic, but I must strongly disagree with the word never...

Instead I would say that the choices made by the Catholic Churches aren't the ones you would expect if they weren't persuing non-spiritual goals.

Do they have the wealth to wipe out AIDS?
No, even the US doesn't have that much cash...

AIDS could be handles like Leprosy and there would be virtually no AIDS in 30 years...

They have the Island of Molokai with the great leper colony, the Black pit of Calcutta where The late Sister Theresa toiled. They don't do all you would wish, but please don't say never...

The Elohim may be the ultimate enemy of mankind...

The long distance weapon caused Goliath to laugh.. A kid in a loincloth, with a slingshot... Ha!!! Ha!!!

Goliath didn't even bother to carry his shield. He had a shield bearer... Stupidity killed Goliath, his own.

Faradhi, the idea that the earth is the center of the universe and the idea that the earth is flat is demonic because it denies obvious truth. Wheather or not a doctrine is called demonic is not my way of saying "la la la la I'm not lisntening". I don't do that. Also it has nothing to do with me liking the theory. That is scientific dishonosty and I realy don't appreciate being accused of that or being accused of term switching. I'm not doing any such thing.

I am only trying to get at the fact that science can be trusted, but that the people can't be and that when you delve very deeply into science there will come a time where science dealing with the material part of the universe can no longer prove something and faith must take over, i.e. origin of life, universe, morals, etc.

Most denominations that are supposedly Christian do in fact have serious flaws. That goes for the individual, my self included, so please stop accusing me of thinking that I am some kind of final authority on this stuff.

was Goliath aware that David was going equipped to kill him from a distance. Goliath laughed at David for coming against him with a stick. Had he known about the sling you can bet that he'd have had an archer level the playing field. he might have been big but he couldn't have been [b]that[/b] dumb.

Anyway, most biblical scholars reckon that the whole story is just "spin" to make David look good.

I'm puzzled about your reference to "Elohim" though. We met that word a few times in the EL thread and it's actually the Hebrew word used in the early OT for "God", according to resident Bible Scholar Gret - third word in Genesis.

Neil :)

with my Demonic Mind games.

Look,
Faith is the recognition of something without a factual basis of its existence.
Science is the recognition of something with a factual basis of its existence.

It was a pleasure reading your testimony and, you sharing your beliefs with the online community.

However, observing bible principles, the first of which: Yahweh (God) and his Son Yahshua (Jesus) cannot lie (Deu 32:4,Titus 1:2, Heb 6:18) and the second principle which briefly states to determine the truth of biblical statement or doctrine: two or more witnesses are required (Deu 17:6, Mat 18:15-16).

So when one makes an assertion that "one day, join Him in Heaven", we need two or more scriptures to support that statement. Perhaps you might direct me to the two scriptures which state we go to heaven where the Father is after death.

Thanks...Ron

I apologise if I am echoing someone else- only got as far as the first post and knew what I had to say on the issue.

Christianity- at least asa I was taught, is about the black words on the white paper and having to good sense to either choose to become well versed on theology or going with your best guess.

I have no passage in the Bible for "Do it my way or you are condemned."

There is a passage that discusses "the way, the truth, and the light. No one comes to the Father but through Me."

End of the game? There are too many Christians who, in their self serving need to "look really good before God- because they just don't have much to bank on..." figure that the best way to keep, or place someone on the path of the straight and Holy is to beat them with a viewpoint.

OK. Just don't get too close to me with that thinking.

My truth may not be your truth. I'm good with that. I don't feel that I need to evangelise. If you would like me to, I will be happy to tell you about my truth. I don't think I should hav eto beat you to death with it.

Unfortunately, too many "believers" don't get this. But some do.