Hi, i have many forms that use subforms in my application. When using subforms i have 2 problems. First, when i try to set focus from an object on one Subform to that of another on the same form it does not work. Reason for doing this is so my tab order will work correctly. Second, when i close the form, if no data was entered on a subform, a blank record is saved and im having trouble trying to prevent this. Any help on these topics would be greatly appreciated. Thanks