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Adding 2nd drive--format? what transfer?

By winmorgan ·
I'm getting a 2nd hard drive, modular, to slip into my Dell Inspiron 8200 since I've run out of space due to graphics files. Existing drive is 30 GB and new drive is 80 GB.

My first thought was to just copy a lot of the large graphics folders tothe second hard drive and then delete from the original 30 GB drive which will remain in the machine. I suppose I'd "Cut" them from C drive and "Paste" to the new drive/volume.

1. Is that all that would be recommended?

2. Do I need or should I consider, installing an OS on this second drive?

3. Also, what is the simplest way to make sure it's formatted the same as my existing hard drive (which I think is NTFS, but, sorry to say, I can't remember how to determine this).

4. How do I reformat the new modular drive if necessary?

5. Anything else I need to be aware of/consider?

Thanks very much for any and all help,

Win

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Adding 2nd drive--format? what transfer?

by TheChas In reply to Adding 2nd drive--format? ...

1. Copy and verify the files are properly transfered to the new hard drive BEFORE deleting them from the old drive.
You might want to back up the files first.

2. You do not need or want an OS on the second drive. Unless you want to set up a dualboot system between 2 different versions of Windows.

3. If W2K, or XP, you can setup and format the drive from within Windows.
For XP (I assume W2K is similar) Administrative Tools, Computer Management, Disk Management.
Right Click on the new drive and partition as desired.
After partitioning, right click on each drive and select format.
You will be asked which file system you want to use.

There is a good article on partition strategy posted at www.aumha.org

You might want to partition the entire second drive as an extended partition, and create logical drives.
That way, even from DOS the new drive(s) will be listed in sequence after your existing hard drive.

4. ALL new drives come unpartitioned and unformatted. You need to first partition, and then format the drive.
If you are running Windows NT, 98, or Me, check out the fdisk tutorial links at www.fdisk.com/fdisk

5. WATCH the drive jumpers closely.
The existing drive will need to be jumpered as Master with slave present. The new drive will be set to slave.

I have seen a few instances where drives from different manufactures do not work well together. This is less of an issue than it used to be.

Chas

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Adding 2nd drive--format? what transfer?

by winmorgan In reply to Adding 2nd drive--format? ...

Chas,

First, thank you very much for your answers. Second, your answer was not at all Unacceptable... I'm rating this answer unacceptable only so I can get your comments on the clarification I've asked for below prior to submitting and closing the question. Regardless of any clarification, I'll rate this answer as Acceptable and thank you for all your advice. I don't know how Tech Republic works in this regard, and was afraid if I rated it as Acceptable right now, my clarification request comments might not get posted or forwarded.

First, I'm using Windows XP.

1. Is there any reason I'd want to partition the new drive, as opposed to just leaving it as a single volume? Also, what's the difference between partition and extendedpartition?

2. I'm sorry I don't have a clue about "drive jumpers" and "slaves." Sounds from what you say like new drive will be automatically seen as a slave. Any problem with that?

3. New drive is a Hitachi, which the seller tells me isan IBM and that Hitachi took over that division and has simply rebranded IBM drives as Hitachi.

Again, many many thanks. I'm a Macite moving in a Windows world and doing so rather slowly.

Best regards,

Win

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by TheChas In reply to Adding 2nd drive--format? ...

Hi Win,

You did the right thing to get additional clarification.

1. Is there any reason I'd want to partition the new drive, as opposed to just leaving it as a single volume? Also, what's the difference between partition and extended partition?

When you partition a drive you have several options. 1 is to create a primary partition or an extended partition.
In older versions of Windows, there is a 'feature' in the way that drive letters are assigned that can make it advantageous to use only an extended partition on a second hard drive.

For your XP system, you will see no difference between a primary and a secondary partition.
Assuming you have a single partition on your existing hard drive, and 1 Cd drive, XP by default will make the new hard drive the E: drive.

You can re-assign the letters to the CD drive and the new hard drive if wanted from Disk Manager.

Here is the link to the article I referred to about partition stratagy.
http://www.aumha.org/win4/a/parts.htm

Basically, think of multiple drives as multiple file cabinets.
I have my 2 drives divided into 8 logical drives. This allows me to separate data files by type. It can be easier to find and backup specific files if you have several small drives.
1 big drive may be best for your needs.

2. I'm sorry I don't have a clue about "drive jumpers" and "slaves." Sounds from what you say like new drive will be automatically seen as a slave. Any problem with that?

On the top of both drives should be a label that gives you details of the different options for the jumpers on the drive.
The main options are:
Master
Master With slave
Slave
Cable Select

You need to verify that the existing drive is set as Master With slave present whenyou install the new drive.

Then, set the jumper on the new drive to slave.

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by TheChas In reply to Adding 2nd drive--format? ...

3. New drive is a Hitachi, which the seller tells me is an IBM and that Hitachi took over that division and has simply rebranded IBM drives as Hitachi.

This is true.
I am not aware of any compatibility issues with the IBM / Hitachi drives.

Here is a link to a jumper setting page at Hitachi:
http://tinyurl.com/dw25

If you need more assistance, either reject this answer, or e-mail me via peer mail, or thechas2000@yahoo.com

Chas

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by winmorgan In reply to Adding 2nd drive--format? ...

Chas,

Again, thank you and thank you. The only thing that doesn't seem clear yet (the new drive won't be here for two days) is whether it matters what drive letter is assigned the new drive by XP. There's already a CD burner which is assigned oneletter, while the built in DVD/CDRW drive is assigned. Just to complicate things, I also have a 120 GB IBM external Firewire HD which I use for backup... I run Retrospect once a week and back up my existing 30 GB HD to that. That's not on all the time but, when it is, it gets assigned another letter.

So?another question: I?m wondering if there's any way to configure Retrospect to run so that the 120 GB external firewire HD will be able to back up BOTH drives (meaning, back up installed 30 GBin the Dell and the soon-to-be modular 80 GB drive. Would I be able to partition the 120 GB external IBM so that one partition (say 40 GB of the 120) handled the internal 30 GB and one partition (say of 80 GB) handled the new 80 GB modular drive?I spent $40 calling Retrospect a few months back to straighten something out and am not anxious to do so again. The way Retrospect works with an external drive (as opposed to removable media) is to put a backup catalogue for any a backup set on the external drive...so probably it would require a backup catalogue on each partition.
I'll probably email you about this, but would also be happy to post it here if it would be of interest and/or of help to you to gather the points.

Thank you for your great clarity and communication. I bought a Dell (when pushed into Windows) only because of their rep for tech support, which I found out too late was a rep they no longer deserved. I gave up on them about a month after I bought the machine, so the support comes from Tech Republic, which is a godsend, and people like yourself. Anyway....heartfelt thanks,

Win (win@ihot.com)

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