Admin with a criminal background
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by mosez
by money
by money
by bonnys13
The only exception for you would be obtaining a security clearance if you applied for certain jobs. You obviously have been doing a good job with your current position or you wouldn't still be there. I would suggest talking with your company and see if they would assist you in obtaining your MCSE and see where it goes from there. They obviously do not have an issue with your previous record - they seem more concerned with your current abilities.
Sid, good luck and congratulations with turning your life around - you should be proud.
Bonny
by sidvail
Thank you Bonny.
Unfortunately this is a small company. As stated, there are only 24 stations, 2 web cams and 2 servers. Enough to occupy maybe 2 hours out of my day. No opportunity to rise any further unless I buy the company. LOL. For the rest of the day, I am the Alaska rep for Fluke Networks and also account manager for our computer dept dealing with Muni, state, federal and corporate clients. *salesman*
I love the company, and feel somewhat proprietary towards it - but I do realize that I'm at the top here and must start looking elsewhere soon if I'm to grow. Stagnation to me is, forgive the pun, murder - and I need challenges to keep me growing. To keep me sane.
I really am proud of what I've accomplished. More so, I marvel at the support I've received. Definately not the antagonistic wall that the other 'cons' said I would run into once I was released. You really do get back what you give.
by waterbj
I beleive that would that I would first see if you were the best qualified candidate. I would then make a decision regarding your criminal background based on chemistry or fit. I would like to feel you out regarding temper, chip on the shoulder, attitude, perhaps (if legal) a reference from your parole officer and how hard you want the job.
Years ago I worked with a fella who was convicted of manslaughter. He did his time and seemed to make a wonderful turn around in life. I thought the world of him. Unfortunately, people (less educated or tolerant) knew of his background and treated him differently. He ended up quiting the job.
I would be up front with in your job application and interview. I would also ask the person(s) to keep that confidential so that you can be 'judged' by the work you do.
I personnaly would hire you although, admittedly I would look harder for a reason not to hire you. Advice: live clean, be the best parent and husband and son.....that you can be, positive attitude with everyone and work hard. Do this with everything and make sure any references see this ethic. People judge and respect these qualities the most.
Go for it! JW Senior Project Manager (Large financial bank institution)
by itisforme
by the daleks
What's the Bush body count up to? 907 as of July 24....any more today? Heck, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz isn't even counting any more.
The worst thing Bill Clinton did was get a BJ under the desk. That's none of our business. But the unelected "President" who committed treason by doing business with terrorist financiers gave $30,000 welfare checks to multi-millionaires and handed the bill to our kids. (Who did you say caters to rich folks??)
Remember during the 2000 campaign when Bush said "The majority of my tax cuts will go to lower income people"? That makes him a 1st-class liar, doesn't it? Much worse than lying about a BJ, wouldn't you agree? And forget lying about WMDs...
But to make the ripped-off kids feel better, the "President" has made sure their rates of resperatory disease will increase, since he gutted the Clean Air act. You know how well voluntary emissions controls work? When Bush did this as Governor, Houston became the #1 most polluted city in the US.
I'd much rather hire a rehabilitated convict like Sidvail than an unrepentant, treacherous crook like the "President."
by warrior
Sorry,
He meant present President Bush. What a shame to say things about someone when he is the mandate of the people. Right of Wrong...support your President and your country. Or you can try living in Irag where chopping heads off is the mainstay on the menue.
Second thought I would not mind a blow job from Monica...sures beats murdering someone.
re:
I have to say "all things are possible through CHRIST who strengthens me." IBM and Exxon may be big, but God is bigger and if you turn to Him, there is always hope!
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That comment points to a possible source of work - churches. While the pay probably sux, the work is good. They're in the business of forgiving folks - and you're looking for forgiving folks. They use cheap, outdated networks - you've got outdated skills. It sounds like a match.
by pdouglas4294
by richman316
NO WAY!
I'm sorry if I sound insensible but I would rather just avoid this individual and move on to a more qualified person. 19 years for homicide is not something light and I hope he understands that and is able to accept the consequences. Even though it?s the past it still says more about you then what most people think.
by pjromero
I understand that this person may have served his time; but as an IT manager, I cannot see myself hiring a person with a felony record. I cannot see my self entrusting my network to a convicted felon.
The industry doesn?t need to have that stigma associated with it. Like the notion that you learn to be a locksmith in prison. When in fact you have pass three levels of a background check (local, state and federal) and any felony conviction will prevent you from getting a license.
There are plenty of qualified people in the IT industry and I would think that once it was known the person was a convicted felon, that person would be eliminated as a perspective employee.
by deepsand
What stigma? The one that is created by your own illogical prejudice?
And, what makes this industry so different from the all the rest that we must avoid the 'taint' of employing any but those without sin?
by boyd
Becky:
Guess you haven't been around many Churches. They are not steeped in poverty, although they don't waste money like many corporations. Many have very new technology. You probably meant well, but I found your comment un-informed and condecending.
by gman529
by jasonmcc68
I have worked for my church for over a year now, and I can say churches are not poor. I will agree 100% with Boyd in his comments. Our church runs XP Pro, with a 2000 Advanced Server. Our Generation Pastor makes heavy use of Photoshop, and and After Effects. We also record every sermon, and stream it off our website. Every purchase I make for their technology needs has to be approved by three people. Churches realize when they buy something, they are better off buyiong good quality stuff. It simply lasts longer.
Churches dont pay well? HA! While I dont make much for a salary, the rewards of doing what God wants me to be doing far outweigh any compensation available. Try serving God sometime, instead of yourself. You might be surprised at what you reap.
by pmwpaul
Anybody can claim to be reformed; there's no cert or Letter from God. Accepting God helps you to live with your life, not work with your past.
Felony criminals have less than a 50% success rate.
A network administrator has access to 100% of the company's confidential information. If the company is doing e-commerce they can be held liable for any credit card information that gets out.
To make it to a network administrator position, you've got to EARN IT! On the job, produce, learn and contribute. These will out-weigh your past but your past will always be there. Going into a new company your past will have more meaning so you have to be squeaky-clean for a long enough period of time to convince others.
Yes, you can do it. But you've got to EARN IT.
by boyd
by deepsand
Thank you for you well reasoned silver-tongued reply.
Just for the record, what the hell are you saying?
by aldanatech
by leddleman
by tundraroamer
So do I. You already know what the people here are like. After reading these other posts, you will realize how lucky we are to live here and not where these other people "live". Don't be afraid of the gospel; don't be afraid of the challenge before you. But I believe you will have a better chance here to expand your carreer path than in most of the places these other writers are from.
Besides, you could always move to Fairbanks! (inside joke to you outsiders)
I do some charitable work and work along side some ex-cons. Some I didn't even know about but since I had already made my decision to trust them based on what I knew, it made little difference. Not all stay on the correct path; their choice just like the admin who intentionally alters his network after termination in order to get "even".
Take the advice about keeping yourself out of trouble; get active and involved in the community so you can try a different type of networking!
by boyd
by deepsand
I'm willing to bet that your interpretation of such bears little resemblance to their meaning when placed in the then contemporary context.
For example, "Thou shalt not commit adultry" is today taken to mean something quite different than it did then. Said commandment was simply a social proscription forbiding a married woman from having sexual intercourse with any man other than her husband, thus giving the husband full legal claim to any and all children borne by her.
by dosman4
If a company runs a background check on you, which most company's do now a days, you may not get the job that you are looking to fill, no matter how many certs you have, also your age means a lot in the IT field! most companys what young looking people for the job. Been there and done that and been truned down for a younger person many of times. Be right up front with the interviewer, about your pass!! and maybe how you come across with your answers to the questions that you are being asked you may land a job. But remenber one thing, that you will be truned away from many jobs because of your criminal record. But they will not come out and say that this was the reason that you did not get the job and also your age.
Miguel
Hey, I respect you for posting this question and wanting to make something of your life. A changed person can be one of the most effective people in any endeavor. I do have a couple things that I would look for in a potential employee, no matter if you've committed a murder or were the Pope himself.
1. Character - If you have no internal moral compass, religious or not, that guides you to make right decisions, somewhere down the line when you have to make those difficult "gray" decisions, you will choose wrong
2. Appearance - This is a BIG one. I'm not trying to be stereotypical, but someone who walks in with tattoos all over their body, long dyed hair and a couple earrings is not going to catch my eye as a professional. On the street, in the club, in prison, or hangin' out, it might be cool, but not in a corporate environment. Look your best and you will feel like doing your best. If you DO have tattoos, don't flaunt them.
3. Language - Talk like someone who is confidant and doesn't need to use slang or profanity to get their point across. "Street talk" or the lack a strong understanding of the English language is something that turns off alot of people, management or not.
4. Don't act like you deserve something or in the other extreme, you feel like you owe everyone and anyone an apology. Don't make yourself look bad by telling the interviewer all the bad things you've done and how much of a bad person you are. BE HONEST though, don't try and hide things, even the little things. It goes back to the character thing, doing well when others aren't looking.
Good luck to you man,
It all depends on the company.
It is highly unlikely that you would get hired by companies or government that require security clearances before you can even start the job.
Your best hope would be smaller organizations & companies.
The well wishing in all the "god" posts are all fine and dandy but reality in the business world is different than this.
by sidvail
ScubaBoy - thank you.
I like to think that I'm qualified, as I've done everything from building our company website, working with our buyers group to incorporate e-commerce, totally redesigned our infrastructure and rolled out a new point of sale. (boy, what a pain, lol)
Still, my past and my personal guilt has kept me from pursuing this field. I still have this feeling that certs would prove something - I'm glad you've put that in perspective.
Thank you for your optimism and advice.
by robotech
I am a christian, and I don't believe it's bigotry to say that someone will have to prove himself other than saying "I've found God". Some people will 'accept' God just to fool the crowd.
I would give you an interview, just to see what you have done with your life since leaving prison. I worked my way from Telecom into IT and I know that's time consuming, especially for someone without the scientific and electronic background that I had.
So obviously you have been using your time wisely.
If after the interview I were satisfied that I you were a better choice than the other applicants, I would hire you. Because someone committed murder it doesn't mean that they are a thief, or that they will commit fraud. One has to take into consideration the circumstances that led someone to murder. Sometimes people get imprisoned on a technicality, so I would really need to understand the circumstances of your crime before knowing what precautions to take. Still, I would give you a job if you were qualified and if I were convinced that you have lived down your past. To be honest, as a consultant, I think there are a lot of people on the outside who should actually be in prison. Keep busy working and getting your certs, and yes, it's not a bad idea to read the Bible (Hebrews 4:12), what is more important is the APPLICATION of what you read, and just like your certs, if you apply what you learn it will show in your attitude and the work you do.
by narendra
I fully understand that this was in the past but personally speaking i'd not hire ex-con in my organisation as it give the wrong image, also with regards to IT skills why pick ex-con when you can have someone who is not with the same skills ?
Regards
Josh
by deepsand
by vsavitz
I am a father of a 24 yr old son, he commited a crime when he turned 18 and spent his time on probation. Just a little background.
He was working a a desktop admin for a medical insurance company for the past 5 years. He was recently offered a new job in another city and was in the mists of moving when the company just fired him without warning or anything. Apparently when they did the initial background check on him it came up clean and when they offered him this new position they redid the background check. However on this one it showed that he had a criminal background. For this reason they fired him and it is doubtfull whether he will ever be able to work in another medical insurance company again.
He has applied to have the criminal background expunged from his record, but the damage is done. His crime was minor and compared to yours (Homicide). He will still have a rough road to go in order to get a job in the IT field again. There are to many young college people with IT degrees out there (He doesn't have any) and the market is just to saturated to support people with any kind of criminal background.
Your best bet is to get into NOS/IOS security. Once you have the certs in these fields you may stand a chance. But I am not even certain of that.
I myself am a 50 yr old veteran with 28 years in the military do Network design and implementation. I can't even find a job in the IT area, even at the entry level. You should really retink your job path.
Good luck.
by sidvail
Wow. I wish you the best of luck.
So far I've been treated very well. And can you believe these posts here? OMG. I just came back to post another question and find that I'm the featured member - and this post has generated so many replies. This shows that there are alot of forgiving people willing to give us a chance.
I am so impressed and humbled. I don't know what to think, except WOW!
Like I said earlier - NETWORKING ROCKS!
As do networkers. LOL.
by itisforme
Clinton was to busy catering to Gays Blacks and other minorities that the Hollywood elite kowtow to. Clinton degraded the military and gave the money to these special interests to keep them on his side while his commie machine tried to cover up all his scandals. This left the terrorists build up in strength and fly planes into the twin towers. The war that Bush has been fighting is do to the fact that Clinton let in happen while his cronies in the cabinet were covering up sexual assaults on women. Every American that dies is do to Clinton groping other women and getting a B.J. from an intern.
Keep your self justified liberal vomit out of these forums.
by maecuff
by the daleks
by the daleks
by maecuff
by info
by xjfx
by is girl
Honestly (and I don't wish to offend but...), I am under the impression that someone who is willing to commit murder is also willing to lie. I also think that those who end up in prison probably committed more than one crime in their life in order to end up there - this was simply the one that stuck.
And, don't all prisoners claim to be innocent? (Don't they all find God, too?) I would be afraid that an ex-con was "spinning" the story to make me feel sympathy for him, knowing that I have no way to double check the circumstances of his crime.
And....what about the other employees? Is it fair to expose them to the risk of working with a murderer? If they are told, they will hold it against the new employee and if they are not told, they may be unknowingly at risk.
I agree that people can rehabilitate and I always assumed there were employement and training programs to help them in that endeavor, but I hope that I don't someday discover that I've been working shoulder to shoulder with an ax murder who convinced the boss that he should be given a second chance.
by robotech
I'm not sure if you read my previous post, but before reading it consider this.
My friend who is a carpenter is hispanic. He does beautiful work, he's honest and clean cut and he gets referrals from a reputable company. A client from New York was referred to him to do some remodelling on her apartment here in Florida. He gave her a quote, but she decided to go with someone else instead. A couple days later she called him back to ask him to do the job. What happened? In the parking lot of the reputable store, she ran into a guy, blonde hair blue eyes, and a neat looking vehicle with magnetic stickers etc. The guy convinced her to give him the job and she did (obviously she was more comforatable with this guy than with my friend who speaks good english but with an accent). My friend is licensed, insured, certified, and all of this in carpentry.
Anyway, the guy who the lady met in the parking lot cleaned out her apartment and ran up her credit card $7,500.00 before dissapearing. So now my friend had to go back and do the job that he was denied before just because he's hispanic.
I was off that day, so I helped him finish the job. By the way, my friend spent time in prison in his native country. And the guy who ripped off the lady is also an immigrant (Eastern Europe).
My friend did not murder anyone in his native land, nor did he steal anything. He just had certain beliefs that the government in his native land was not in agreement with, and so he got a criminal record when he was 18.
As a consultant, I run into a lot of people with a clean criminal background, but they still rip me off sometimes, and some I figure out from very early that I don't want to do business with them. Yes, there are some very bad people out there, and I should take people's criminal records into consideration. Nevertheless, when all is said and done, circumstances, and the reputation that someone has built up over the past 5 to ten years is more important to me than a 'clean' criminal record.
There are people who have had there criminal records 'cleaned' either because they were very young at the time they commited the crime or because of a technicality introduced by a smart lawyer. These are the most dangerous people, because they become hardened in their ways and they learn how to avoid the law. Criminals who have not been reformed usually lack the discipline to study, work hard, and build the reputation that Sidvail now has. So what he has accomplished so far is a good sign.
In fact, he may even find a job with a medium sized company whose owner used to be in prison, someone who understands his plight and would be willing to give him a chance.
by hi_min2
dear sidvail,
At present if u r honest and hardworking man then u 'll have nothing to worry.if u've left your past then now u make make your future with ur hard work.Nobody is a criminal from birth but it is the society or the people that changes the life of a man to a criminal.u may see that mostly the politicians have a criminal background even in our country INDIA most of the politicians 've criminal bak ground but the rule. it is the habbit of people that they cann't live the person normally, who has great achievements.they jealous that person who is better from them. so dear don't worry.
keep ur work honestly.
by bratt
by james wilson
by deepsand
by lcave
by sidvail
Gaijin, thank you. Your post touched on a few things that I take to heart.
True about toeing the line. I know what it is to be incarcerated. Never want that again. But even more important is that I know what I did. And like anyone that has had to take a life, for what ever reason - you gain a better understanding and appreciation for that life. And also for life in general. That is no easy thing to come to grips with. I will not say my crime was noble, as I was protecting (thought so) my own - but it also was not for gain, or anger. Doesn't matter to me. I did it and I'll forever be humbled in the face of it. It's been almost 30 years since it happened - and I still feel the guilt.
Because of that I have a tendency to be somewhat harder on myself and my beliefs than the average person. My integrity is very important to me, and I've been known to shoot myself in the foot simply because of my need to be above board and completely honest. But that is my nature, and I refuse to compromise it.
But on the flip side. I am a capable and competent man. I love to learn and enjoy a job where I am constantly striving. Networking has proven to be such a field. I love it. I want to succeed.
Again, thank you for your post.
I still can't believe I've started such a debate here. Yowsa! :)
by dustindeel
by sublimedaze
Thanks for trying to threadjack. Very callous and selfish of you to do it considering the number of other message boards, forums, blogs and chatrooms you could hijack.
Please try somewhere else if you'd like to talk politics. It doesn't belong in this thread with sidvail.
by mccooeyedg
by tammie
by m.kay
by sidvail
by joseph52
To all the jesus lovers:
PLEASE take it elsewhere. This discussion is to help this gentleman with his IT CARREER not his faith in jesus. It's OK to believe whatever you want but please stop boring me with you silly religious convictions!
by katn
by sidvail
Great post.
Yes, the age factor is there also. I'm actually 48 now - not the optimum age to begin a new career. :)
In the (almost) 5 years I've been here, my fellow employees are the best source of growth I've had. Everyone knows my past but I guess it's okay - as I'm the one they come to when things go wrong, as opposed to the (several) managers that have held that position. I was offered the managers position 2 years ago, but declined because of some very valuable training I had just undergone would have gone to waste. And besides - I love my job. :)
The lack of experience in new technologies is a major problem for me - but cannot convince the boss to upgrade to 2000 or 2003. Hence my original question about getting some new certs and training. I was fortunate to attend a MS seminar where I was given a free copy of Server 2003 SBS, and have built a small network at home to study on. Of course that still limits my experience to a small environment - but it does help. :)
by sidvail
This makes sense. From a capitalistic standpoint - if there is demand, there is opportunity.
Right now there is demand for security, streaming video, VoIP, etc. So if I become knowledgable in those fields, I stand a better chance.
Thank you. This has given me something to think about. :)
by taxman1
by dsx inc.
If you murdered someone you should not even be out of prison. I don't know your circumstances, maybe it was self defense. But MURDER?
I won't lose sleep because you can't get what you want. You get what you deserve. If it was MURDER, you don't even deserve to be alive much less out of prison.
by taxman1
by lancer2k
[off topic]
This individual has been tried, convicted and has served their time. Would you reather they continue to drain society's resources by remaining in jail or become a productive member of society?
[/off topic]
Personally I would only be concerned with a criminal background if it was something that may be related to the position. If, for example, you had been convicted of fraud, theft or another similar crime then I would be FAR MORE concerned.
by kriaken
You are kidding, its a shame when someone asks an honest question that they have to be faced with this sort of red neck right wing nut job idiocy.
Having hired many ex-criminals (14) I feel qualified to say that you and your opinion are what is the matter with the world today. Go get an enema, it will help clear your mind. The next step for you is to take yourself to someone who can help treat your rampant self delusional feelings of inadequacy. Or the red neck version, your an idiot...
by business guy
Dear too bad,
fuck you. fuck you fully. please tell me where you live you slimey puke.
:(
by taxman1
by madhup
You can not change how everybody else thinks about Criminal Past, however staying and pursuing the right path with no deviation of any kind i.e. by your actions you can change hearts and minds of others.
I have just succeeded in returning back to medicine after gap of 9 years- in this interim I have also done BSc (Honours) in Computing.
Good Luck
by sidvail
Thanks Don for the post - however....
I am not asking or looking for a 'break'. I plan on getting hired due to my skills and the value I bring to the company. Just as any potential employee would do.
I did not stroll into the marketplace. I put in my time studying and trying to master my skills - then I went to work and made my way from a counter clerk to my present position of Network Admin/webmaster and Alaska wide rep for Fluke Networks. I worked to get to these positions, learning whatever I needed to do the job - and putting in the hours required to do it right.
Thanks for trying to 'ground' me - but your arguments have already been broached and placed in their proper bin.
by taxman1
I agree with you that nothing personal should be discussed at an interview, whether it is religion, politics or favorite foods.
Something you should ask yourself though. Would you rather have employees with no morals and scruples or ones that have a God and strive to have eternal life?
by taxman1
by dcurry
Simply-Living,
Oh, how mistaken you and SO many others are!
I myself am a convicted felon (car theft - 2.5 yrs) and I am still fighting against the stigmata 15+ years later. I AM a successful Network and Systems Admin/IT Manager. And I am willing to bet a decent steak dinner that I had to work even harder to get here, than most of us. I do not have the certs, because I do not believe in them.
I really feel for sidvail, but I have to tell you (and the others) something you are assuming and not implementing. The stigma of being a felon (violent, drug or other) will ALWAYS have an impact on your eligibility for employment. No matter what we (former felons) do, we will always be given third or fourth consideration, if any consideration, at all. We have paid our time for our crime(s), but we can not do as so many people say. We can not just 'let it go', because the general public will not. If either sidvail or I showed up, and showed your employer we could do that same quality job, as well, or even better, for the same compensation, would he/she consider it? What about for half of your salary? If you were the employer, would you consider either of us?
Fortunately, for me, I have been able to get my record expunged. This is a drastic process, but with the change in the economy, I felt it was necessary. I am trying to get reclassified as a Top Secret Clearance holder. I am competing with people who come from foreign lands, are willing and able to work for half of my salary, have varied certs and degrees, but CAN NOT do the job at 1/10th as well as I. So, I have to go after jobs that are government related, or in some other way restricted to nationals and citizens.
I met A LOT of prision preachers in my time. ALL of them told me how great it was going to be, on the outside. How there was all sorts of help and support. But that help and support came at too high a price, for me. I was not/am not willing to lose my self identity jsut to work as a 'bag boy' in the local grocery. I 'broke the cycle' through much hard work, grovelling and redundant proof, time and time again.
With all due respect unto you and your ideals, before espoucing the greatness of your beliefs, I invite you to walk in my shoes (or sidvails) for a while. THEN tell me if the stigma remains after the debt to society is paid. And then tell me what I (and others) have to do, to finish paying off that debt.
I am a combat veteran.
I volunteered to defend my country
your beliefs
your way of life.
I made a mistake, and paid for it.
again
and again.
when and where is that forgiveness from the society of superior morals?
Sincerely,
Daniel Curry
Everyone has opinions and well some are smeller then other. You just keep up the good job that you have been doing and you will go as far as life will take you. You are the one to set the limits. Do not let any negativity get in your way, God will not hand it to you; you have to work at everything in life especially if you have a bad background.
GET REAL PEOPLE: God will not help this person get thru this. Feeling sorry will not help ether.
DUDE: get off the worries and just do your best, which should be all that anyone should ask for. AND if they are asking for better then they have there head so far up there ASS they are lost themselves. No body is perfect but we all try, and only the one that can admit they are not perfect servive???????????????????..
by daoudee
I could not hire an X-convict who commited Homicide and served 19 years!
In a warehouse maybe?
But I.T. helpdesk & administration no way, especially after serving 19 years prison time. As an X-COBOL Programmer Even I had to emphasize my soft-side when I segued to desktop support & ADMIN.
Because the bottom line is that people skills & technical prowess have to co-exist in order for I.T. to interface the technical side to the user side and I feel many of those social skills would have eroded into hard-edged survival mechanisms for an individual incarcerated for such a long period of time.
And the unconciousionable would eventually
happen perhaps to Ms. Suzy in personnel who calls to report her printer is'nt working when in fact the "date field" is'nt working in her spreadsheet and she needs a little help "all the time" or the sexual timebomb situation with the "everybody wants me girl" or the Manager whose involved with divorce proceedings and has difficulty with control and anger managment. After 19 years in the Joint I fear erosion of those social skill sets which are so essential to the everyday give & take of "office/corporate" co-existence strategies. I mean it's tough enough working with and within the flawed personalities of the innocent.
I could not think of a murderer, no matter how contrite or how full of sorrow!
Such a person could not work in my office, such a person is best working with things in a controlled environment perhaps a warehouse, construction site or a trade shop.
by deepsand
You posit a conclusion based on facts not in evidence.
The difference between intelligence & stupidity is that stupidity knows no bounds.
Generally to commit homicide is not a good thing.
However if he offed one of the many scuzball technical recruiters/ placement agents or technical training school sales people that are out there than we owe him a debt of gratitude.
by business guy
It depends on the individual doing the hiring. When I was released, the Best Buy company put me on even though I had a record.
When I tried to get a job at Harris Corp. and not even in the government systems area, I met and interviewed with the IT department and they were all willing to pick me up. Human Resources said no.
My advice: Never ever ever tell them. If you are pure in heart and are not going to betray their trust anyway, Never, ever ever ever tell them. The worst that can happen is that they will find out and fire you. The worst that ever happened to you is having been convicted and I know it won't be that bad.
One exception: The Governement. You must, by law be forthcoming. You can get a security clearance from the government even though you have a record. You can even appeal a negative finding.
You can never appeal small minds or prejudice. Hell, 15 years after release, I still can't vote in Florida legally. Small minds. Prejudice.
Just be flexible. Most employers don't look beyond the local police having you in their local records. Of course with gruppenfuhrer Ashcroft, who knows.
g.l.
by itdude2004
by business guy
way to go. let nobody ever live anything down. hold it against them even though you know nothing about the situation. he spent 19 years (every day a torture) and instead of coming out and killing everyone he met (richly deserved), he decided to be a productive member of society. you should count your lucky stars punk.
I despise people like you. Your prejudice and ignorance are responsible for more misery and injustice than 200 years of whatever the jails could produce.
It is the likes of you that are the cause of the problems in the world, much less the country. Perhaps you should consider suicide. Do us all a favor.
Hate you,
:(
by itdude2004
you must be. Do you know this person? You certainly make the assumption that his every day was a torture. What are the circumstances of the crime? He refuses to divulge here.
And murder is more than "oops, I made a mistake". What about his victim? They were somebody's son or daughter, and probably someones mother or father. But they don't matter in your book, huh?
Blow me....
by sidvail
Actually there are quite a few good eggs here. Most everyone has said "Yes, go for it" Showing a positive outlook, and being quite open to a man's skills and intent - vs - his past.
That was my original intent - to find out if it was a 'no contest, not a chance in hell' or 'it all depends on the person hiring'.
I had fully expected an answer detailing security risks and fear of personal safety. Instead, I received encouragement and solid advice.
by jmurphey
I for one am in a similar situation, past felony, etc. I love computers, networks, admin, security and it is my passion. As with some others I do not believe in certs because with my experience they are a waste of time (I've had to train a few "certified" people) as reality is always different from theory.
However, some companies rely on certs for bragging rights to their customers so don't count them out.
Obviously this is a difficult topic as you can see with Bush bashers and Kerry bashers getting off topic. Ignor their agenda because reality is, we have a stigma, regardless of cercumstances, regardless of reasons, people can not get over themselves.
We do not ask for a second chance, we do not ask for hand outs, we do our job, we do excellant work and in most cases we also go beyond the call of duty because we love our work. However, we also see things in a different light than those who have not experienced what we have in the work force.
For me, personally, as I am working on my own wireless internet business, would hire you if you where qualified for the job. I have had jobs also where the prior was not an issue (a true EEOC employer) and have been turned down because of it (a non true EEOC employer). Does it bother me? Yes. But I will still get on with life and not let those type of people get me down.
Keep up the good work and do what you personally think is right. If your interested in wireless, lets talk .
by baybebluis
by sbmagee
When I was hiring tech positions I was willing to consider a person who had a record depending on the crime and that they were honest with me about it. I hired one person and found out on his first day of work that he had done time for stealing computer equipment from his previous employer. When I asked him why he had omitted it on his applicaton and checked 'NO' for the question 'Have you ever been convicted of a felony', he replied that he had been told by a judge that since he had done his time no one would find out so don't tell. He was gone in less than an hour. Now, granted, that with the nature of his crime I would have been very leery about hiring him, but his lieing stopped any consideration.
Honesty with the interviewer is vital. They do not have to let anyone else know, but you must tell them.
JMHO
by rddrappo
by relaxdiego
by itdude2004
by leon tribe
Other countries do not have such strong concerns about future employees or at least do not act on them.
Australia, as an example, was populated by convicts from the beginning of its white history and while we have a conservative government, our society is a little more liberal. If possible consider a change in country perhaps.
by alvinc12
by warrior
IT,
I could not have said it any better with such a short paragraph.
Message to kill-em all,
You are one scary tomato, reading your reply is exactly you. Please off yourself and save us the trouble. Thank God people like you are monitored by society. Asshole look up the word murder in the dictionary maybe it will enlighten you.
Why don't you invite O.J. Simpson over for a nights stay, but sleep with one eye open...and he was not even convicted. Length of confinement is not a measurement of redemption; it?s only how good of a lawyer you had.
Kill-em all would hire all the be-headers in Iraq that are brutally chopping heads off, and welcomes them as his running mates. No better than that forgive them assholes dude. Dude you are a work of art, what a pot to piss in.
by deepsand
You publicly display both your ignorance & stupidity.
1) Homicide & Murder are legal definitions, not physical ones. Hence, they are most definitely NOT the same. You do not get to re-define said terms to suit yourself.
2) Your language is distinctly unprofessional, and brings disgrace to this forum.
3) You are clearly an unforgiving & unempathetic person.
4) Your chosen alias shrieks of egocentrism.
The difference between intelligence & stupidity is that stupidity knows no limitations.
by deepsand
by deepsand
by deepsand
Obviously your alias is a lie.
And, what does security have to do with the issue at hand? Nothing!
by deepsand
Thank you for your well reasoned response.
NOT!
The difference between intelligence & stupidity is that stupidity knows no limitations.
by warrior
To all responders,
Yes, you can yank all you want but you are not owners of a company. I am the only responder here that is an owner so I think my reply has credence.
What's the old saying? "It is sure easy to spend someone else?s money but your own". Wear the shoes then tell me about it.
I don't see any responder offering Sid a job, how come?
by deepsand
I must have missed something, namely the indicator that marks which respondents are 'owners,' along that the disclaimer that 'non-owners' should be considered not credible.
Sure am glad that I don't work for you.
The difference between intelligence & stupidity is that stupidity knows no limitations.
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