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America WILL become free from its dependency on foreign oil

By maxwell edison ·
The Claim: America WILL become independent from its dependency on foreign oil.

Yea, right! In your dreams!

Republicans will do it. No, Democrats will do it. No, Republicans will do it. No, Democrats will do it.

I've heard this rhetoric my entire life (50+ years).

Solar energy; wind power; alternative fuels; electrical; batteries; mice running on a wheel. All are pie-in-the-sky pipe-dreams.

The truth: Energy independence for America IS NOT POSSIBLE any time in the foreseeable future. Because Energy independence from fossil fuels IS NOT POSSIBLE any time in the foreseeable future.

If you believe otherwise, perhaps you'll consider buying this bridge I have for sale.

If you agree or disagree, feel free to make your case.

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I was gonna say

by Jaqui In reply to America WILL become free ...

you must be losing it Max, to believe that.

there is no way America can get rid of it's dependence on foreign fossil fuels, without completely rebuilding the American psyche to make the automobile an evil thing.

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Happy Birthday

by maxwell edison In reply to I was gonna say

with this surprise message!

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by Jaqui In reply to Happy Birthday

yeah, we all know exactly how likely it is for America to lose it's love affair with the personal automobile.

I think the proverbial snowball has better odds.

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"The Long Emergency"

by boxfiddler Moderator In reply to America WILL become free ...

by James Howard Kunstler. I need say no more.

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by JackOfAllTech In reply to America WILL become free ...

I don't think we'll be weaned from fossil fuels anytime soon but we don't need to use foreign oil. America has enough to last 300 years at our present usage rate. We just need to ignore the stupid tree-huggers.

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Of course you need to use foreign oil

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to Independence

it's cheaper!

The boys who make money off it want usage rates or prices to go up continually. As long it will last to the next fiscal report, retirment or promotion alternatives will not be considered.

Management by crisis is where we at.

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Well we certainly agree that the US or indeed the

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to America WILL become free ...

the bulk of the developed world won't become independant of oil in the forseeable future.

I suspect we might disagree on the ratio of can't and won't though.

There's a lot of inertia, natural and contrived within the energy market. At some point in the forseeable fossil fuels will no longer be economically viable. Increasing prices will stretch viability (hopefully as long as possible as the energy moguls are concerned), but we are starting to reach the point where we won't be able to afford it and leave them in profit.

The thing that irritates me is that this situation was entirley predictable and very little has been done to address it over the last fifty years. All we've had is excuses, false dawns, unachievable promises and co-incidentally of course, massive profits for those controlling the supply....

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"Energy independence from fossil fuels IS NOT POSSIBLE"

by CharlieSpencer In reply to America WILL become free ...

Sure it is, but we're not willing to pay the economic costs or make the social sacrifices. I'm not saying we should, but it appears we as consumers and businesses are unwilling to make any compromises to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels in general or foreign oil in particular.

Incidentally, how are we defining 'foreign oil'? Doesn't all oil pumped in the US go onto the world market? Don't US oil refiners buy it from there?

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Yes We Will!

by TheChas In reply to America WILL become free ...


Yes, we will become free of our dependence on foreign oil and even domestic supplies of fossil fuel.


Not by the adaption of alternate energy sources. No, economic forces will remove the US from the oil consuming nations.

I think it is only a matter of time before the value of the US dollar drops so low on the global market that the US will not be able to afford to import any oil products.

Then, in order to repay our loans, China and Japan will demand the full export of our domestic oil gas and perhaps even coal.

Of course, when that does happen, there will be a sudden interest in alternate energy sources. But, with no funding for the research and no money to buy the alternate energy, that effort will fail.

Since I don't expect that we will ever raise taxes, grow the US economy, or cut spending enough to be able to pay down our foreign debt, this is more a question of when than if.


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Not to mention

by santeewelding In reply to Yes We Will!

Too busy going at each others throats to tend our machines.

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