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Apparently... what do you think?

By Yowye ·
One user made this statement concerning ?Spy ware?:

I think the problem should be tackled by Microsoft, and handled via the operating system. It is the operating system that they are targeting.

I made the statement:

Not really... think about it, Your computer doesn't buy stuff for itself, and it also doesn't decide to write its own programs or better ones, or rewrite and perfect on old ones.
Spyware steals "your" ideas, not your computers, it wants to know where "you" venture to on the web... no operating system that I know of decides to take a surfing trip of its own desired accord when it feels like it.
And Spam... is just solicitated advertisements designed for the "would-be" buyer. They have nothing to do with your Operating System.

I made this same comment in another posting...

I was then faced with this statement from another IT:

Yes, it IS the operating system that they are targeting. If the OS didn't permit this activity, they couldn't do it.

Spyware isn't installed with the user's knowledge, so it is not the user that is at fault, except, perhaps, by being sloppy. However, I don't consider myself sloppy, and occasionally something gets by me too.

I am now running MS AntiSpyware, and am so far quite pleased. It runs 24 X 7 and alerts to any attempt to install spyware. It also scans at night and gives a report each morning. I've had it running just one month, and since then Adaware and Spybot no longer find anything, except one case where 'sidefind' was found, but it wasn't actually installed, it was a leftover registry entry.

I haven't gone to 'warez' to give it a real test though...

Which had been fallowed by this statement from another IT?

No, it's not the OS alone that is targeted.

In fact, most threats are targeted at the Browser.

That IE is so closely integrated with the Win family of OSes, particularly those subsequent to Win98, exacerbates the problem.

Which I now respond with this:

That?s Not True!!!

"Spyware isn't installed with the user's knowledge" - yes your right in that respect... It's not! But as I said before... what use dose a Computer have on its own (alone), None! Any Knowledge that is on a computer is input by the user, wheather they know it or not... Meaning: If you type or create or input Knowledge mechanically in on your own, or if you use surfing tools such as browsers to surf the web... you initially tell the computer what you like to look at or are interested in.
A computer does not create its own information or ideas, and it does not go surfing on the web by it's own accord, and thus build up a knowledge bank of "red tags" identifying where it has been last.
That is done by the user and the user alone.
And that is what they "spyware creators" are after.
If ist's the Os they are aiming at... the question would be... what for?
If they want to know its schematics... they can hack on their own. But we're not talking about "hack ware" are we? Its "spy ware", and as I said... if they want to "spy" on the OS... then they really don't need to... cause they can spy on their own OS.
And if that's the case... Then they aren't so nosy, as much as they are stupid!
OS systems and Browsers do not initiate private personal activities on their own accord... Thus, in no way can one say that "Spy ware" is aimed at the OS, Brouser, Data Banks, PCU, etc, etc, etc. And if IT consultans think that... Then I suggest you go back to school!

Even in Psychology you learn of the most advanced Bio-genic Computer... Its called the "Brain." And the brain does not react to anything... unless it has been directly influenced by the senses, by way of the receptors, in conjunction with the Neurons.
The Receptors for a human... are the senses, "Internal" and external.
The receptors for a computer... are all the input devices, Keyboards, Mouses, Cards, etc.
Amd "Cards" as you know are on the inside.

Only differance is our Computers... "Brain" is more advanced.
But we do not respond to Nothing.
Every response needs an initiator, Just as every cause has na effect.

I'm beginning to think this is kindergarten class.

Apparently many people Don't "Know" how computers work.

So what do you SAY to that!

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Well first of all

by Oz_Media In reply to Apparently... what do you ...

It sounds like you are just looking for fodder to toss back in another forum, not cool. Especially when you just quote people, as you have done here.

As for the spyware, switching to Firefox has reduced hundreds of 'kligons' into one or two that I would allow anyway as they are just cookies from TR or my home page etc.

As far as the OS being the problem, yes it is, just as the user is also. A computer simply responde to input, it doesn't actually DO anything, as you have pointed out. But when that BASIC input system allows arbitary commands and input that DON'T come from the user, it is flawed.

MS has a LONG way to go before releasing a browser I would ever consider again. IE7 big deal, so far it sound like they are designing a Mozilla clone, which is great but why notjust use MOzilla instead? Thunderbord email has been awesome for me, Outlook, no thanks.

The issue is, the MS user has to be far mroe concious of cleaning up, deleting garbage, scanning for spyware and ads than other OS's. Therefore it is OBVIOUS that the flaws lay within MS products, if they were secure, users would not pick up so much crap by using it as intended. MS does not offer a book onhow to secure Windows when you buy it, they tel you to get updates and security patches, but they also tell you how great it is to surf th eweb with IE, and all teh new multimedia features it has that allows more content to be viewed, with no warning of viewing such content provided. They in essence are telling you it's safe to surf and try all these plugins and online fun, when it ISN'T with MS products.

So I think you are ALL right, MS has massive security flaws and picks up crap on the internet like a giant lint brush, peopl eknow it and people target it.

It is user negligence when they have not used a DECENT third party program to clean and rid thier system of malware though.

As for email, well that again is a mixture of holes in software and user stupidity.

I have had not a single spam mail on a private email account for what must be nearing 6 years now.

I have another BS online acocunt that sees hundreds a day, most caught by thier free filtering but maybe 3 or 4 slip through the cracks each day.

It's a combination of BOTH, negligent users and massive secutiy issues with software that is not 'secure and stable' as it is promoted to be, that are constantly targeted due to the ease of spreading Internet BS in poor software.

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Well yes but MY pc is

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to Apparently... what do you ...

meant to react to MY reactions not those of acme-ad corporation, phish-for passwords or download.this.coolspyware.
99.99% of the problem is clientside execution of foriegn code, but knocking that on the head makes your browsing experience less than salutory, as those who design the sites rely heavily on this technology to deliver their content.
Of course a set of eejits who shall remain nameless went even further and integrated this massive security loophole into their operating system. Then finding it very useful as a delivery mechanism for their own 'message' rolled it out through their entire system, built their new technology on it and then enforced an upgrade though obsolesence.

Total co-incidence that though and an unlucky one eh ?

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