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Are we beta testers for Microsoft?

By Jack-M ·
Over the years (since Win 3.0) I've had to patch, make security and other updates in order for my MS products to be usable. The email (list below) I got this morning is #1)shocking, #2) very time consuming and my time is worth money) and 3) egregious. MS is making and selling partial vaporware and completing it based on consumers complaints. This is the list for just one day for Office products:


Security Update for Excel 2003 (KB918419)
Multiple security vulnerabilities exist in Microsoft Office Excel 2003 that could allow the elevation of rights. This update addresses those vulnerabilities.

Security Update for Excel 2002 (KB918420)
Multiple security vulnerabilities exist in Microsoft Excel 2002 that could allow the elevation of rights. This update addresses those vulnerabilities.

Security Update for Excel 2000 (KB918424)
Multiple security vulnerabilities exist in Microsoft Excel 2000 that could allow the elevation of rights. This update addresses those vulnerabilities.

Security Update for Excel Viewer 2003 (KB918425)
Multiple security vulnerabilities exist in Microsoft Office Excel 2003 Viewer that could allow the elevation of rights. This update addresses those vulnerabilities.

Security Update for Office 2003 (KB917151)
A security vulnerability exists in Microsoft Office 2003 that could allow the elevation of rights. This update addresses that vulnerability.

Security Update for Office 2003 (KB914455)
A vulnerability exists in Microsoft Office 2003, Microsoft Office Project 2003, and Microsoft Office OneNote 2003 that could allow an attacker to run arbitrary code on a user?s system. This update resolves that vulnerability.

Security Update for Office XP (KB917150)
A security vulnerability exists in Microsoft Office XP that could allow the elevation of rights. This update addresses that vulnerability.

Security Update for Office XP (KB914796)
A vulnerability exists in Microsoft Office XP that could allow an attacker to run arbitrary code on a users system. This update resolves that vulnerability.

Security Update for Office 2000 (KB917152)
A security vulnerability exists in Microsoft Office 2000 that could allow the elevation of rights. This update addresses that vulnerability.

Security Update for Office 2000 (KB914797)
A vulnerability exists in Microsoft Office 2000 that could allow an attacker to run arbitrary code on a users system. This update resolves that vulnerability.

Security Update for Project 2002 (KB917150)
A security vulnerability exists in Microsoft Project 2002 that could allow the elevation of rights. This update addresses that vulnerability.

Security Update for Project 2002 (KB920102)
A vulnerability exists in Microsoft Project 2002 that could allow an attacker to run arbitrary code on a user?s system. This update resolves that vulnerability.

Security Update for Project 2000 (KB917152)
A security vulnerability exists in Microsoft Project 2000 that could allow the elevation of rights. This update addresses that vulnerability.

Security Update for Project 2000 (KB920101)
A vulnerability exists in Microsoft Project 2000 that could allow an attacker to run arbitrary code on a user?s system. This update resolves that vulnerability.

Security Update for Visio 2002 (KB917150)
A security vulnerability exists in Microsoft Visio 2002 that could allow the elevation of rights. This update addresses that vulnerability.

Update for Outlook 2003 Junk Email Filter (KB919031)
This update provides the Junk E-mail Filter in Microsoft Office Outlook 2003 with a more current definition of which e-mail messages should be considered junk e-mail. This update was released in July 2006.

Update for PowerPoint 2002 (KB917153)
This update for Microsoft PowerPoint 2002 provides Rich Text Format improvements. This update also provides the framework for a compatibility pack to open and save files by using the Open XML file format that is new to the 2007 Microsoft Office system.

Update for Word 2002 (KB917347)
This update for Microsoft Word 2002 provides Rich Text Format improvements. This update also provides the framework for a compatibility pack to open and save files by using the Open XML file format that is new to the 2007 Microsoft Office system.


Using the Office Update automatic detection tool on the Office Online Downloads site, you can find out if these updates are suitable for your Office products. Go to the Office Online Downloads site and click Check for Updates to get the latest Office updates for your computer. If any of these new updates do not appear in the list of updates returned by the automatic detection tool, then your computer does not need those updates.




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Check thread on June's security bulletins

by Jack-M In reply to Are we beta testers for M ...

Go to the thread on Juhne's security bullitens and see what I had to say a month ago about beta testing for Microsucks.

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Beta Testing is right

by Mr.Wiz In reply to Are we beta testers for M ...

That's what we do, pay for the priveledge of beta testing for Microsoft. If they can get us to pay for it, why should they improve?

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Beta Tester for Life !

by j.g.camp In reply to Are we beta testers for M ...

So why single out Microsoft, OS X and Linux are just as guilty of leaving users vulnerable to attack. By it's very nature the internet and broadband are the in-roads. Is it because we pay more for Microsoft ? Probably so, but they are the standard for what everyone uses and in this lifetime, nobody does much for very long for free. Even Linux has some form of funding so that the next level of improvement can be made.

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XP still not done

by Jack-M In reply to Beta Tester for Life !

Yeah, we're paying for improvments all right. They don't have XP done and we're getting inundated with how wonderful Vista and Longhorn will be. It's beta testing for life for sure.

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Vulnerabilities

by GentleRF In reply to Beta Tester for Life !

I see the point in vulnerabilities in any OS, and I agree that any OS is a work in progress, but I disagree with the thought of Linux and MacOS X being AS vulnerable as Windows. Yes, the internet is an inroad for hackers exploiting a vulnerability (I include broadband as a connection type to the internet), but many machines with a non-windows OS have to be in the physical possession of the hacker for a period of time in order to be cracked. I somehow don't see a hacker gaining physical access to the CIA anytime soon.

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continuous testing

by sr10 In reply to Are we beta testers for M ...

For the past 20 years (at least), operating systems have been too complex to comprehensively test. Applications have now joined them. The developers themselves can no longer understand all the possible interplays among features.

Black-box testing is limited by the ability to fully enumerate and define all the features. Clear-box testing is impossible because there are too many logical paths to work economically; the test period would be longer than the market window.

The product does not make a discrete transition from beta to general use; it moves along overlapping continuous curves in decreasing degrees of beta, through a life cycle and into increasing degrees of stale.

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too complex................yeah right

by Jack-M In reply to continuous testing

"For the past 20 years (at least), operating systems have been too complex to comprehensively test. Applications have now joined them. The developers themselves can no longer understand all the possible interplays among features."

Funny how games can be so complex and still released without a million patches to make them work right. Just the opposite, now we have "cheats" at games like Doom and other 'complex' games.
Further things became so complex because of Windows and their haphazard approach to 'getting it on the market'. Replacing commands with (GUI's)pictures is what started the ball rolling.
I can remember very complex applications that were DOS or UNIX based that never had the problems Windoze presents.

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Not strictly true...

by keithx In reply to too complex.............. ...

If you consider the size of some of todays OS's and Applications - some of them running into 10s of millions of lines of code - is it entirely surpising that they have errors in them? They are after all written and checked by humans. Add to that the fact that there are people out there who actively look for these problems and try to take advantage of them. The sole reason MS products appear to have more holes in them is purely because there are many millions more installations of them than Linux or Mac OS's/applications. Thus it stands to reason that there are going to be more reported bugs/holes/vulnerabilities, if for no other reason than the law of averages.

Frankly id rather the problems were reported so that MS can fix them rather than them being unfixed and leave my systems vulnerable. However any person, or organisation, that does not have at least a software firewall between themselves and the internet is, in this day and age, is effectively hanging out a sign saying 'Hack me please!'.

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Myth

by pkr In reply to Not strictly true...

"The sole reason MS products appear to have more holes in them is purely because there are many millions more installations of them than Linux or Mac OS's/applications."

This is a very stubborn myth, and have been shot down many times. I'll do it again.

The number of errors in any SW has nothing to do with how many copies are in use, that's simple logic. The number of persons being affected by these holes are directly proportional to the number of copies in use. Software quality is directly linked to programming quality, not to to quantity in use.

If Microsofts 'Security by obscurity' thesis works, there should be _NO_ 'issues' in Microsoft SW, as the guard the source code like a hot military secrets. They won't even tell you how your documents are stored. Reality shows this it no so, and it looks like Microsoft neither will listen nor learn.
They have all the money needed to make it safe and perfect - last year they netted 13.000.000.000 dollars by incrasing sales by 9% and netprofit by 14%, and instead of fixing what the world use, they have spent - I have forgot how many years - to tell us, that 'This time with Longhorn or whatever we finally did it'.
I recall this phrase sinced the early 90'es, and I never forget Balmer dancing around yelling 'Windows2000 - the OS never needing a fixpack'. Now we are on W/2000 SR4 and hotfixes still rolling.
With W/2000 still not fixed, they unleashed XP upon the unsuspecting masses, and now it is Vista.

Certainly due time to move on to something else. I did 3 years ago, and I'll never go back. I have the pleasure of Linux and OSx at home, and the 'pleasure' of XP Pro at work.

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patches and updates

by Josharghhhh In reply to Myth

if you run linux, then you are doing alot more daily patching and updating of all the fragments that make up your distro of choice then you are with windows... if your not, you better start.

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