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I wonder how to schedule my data server backup in Window 2000 Server?

Currently i place my schedule as follow:
Mon-data - Full backup
Tue-data - Differential
Wed-data - Differential
Thur-data - Differential
Fri-data - Differential
Sat-data - Differential

Any idea to make this schedule looks easy to restore?

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by kevin203

Its a DC... and what i backup are documents and application data from all department.

by tony hopkinson

You could lose all the incrementals that on it. If you keep full and incrementals on one set of media you could lose everything. A cost/benefit or risk analyis would probably indicate that having more than one set will be worthwhile.
My point about restoring was until you've proven you can restore effectively, you haven't backedup anything, you've just possibly copied possibly everything you may possibly need to some possibly readable media.
Not only should you backup at regular intervals, you should also restore to make sure you have backed up, it's the only proof.

by tony hopkinson

it you won't know you've backed up at all. If you are using distributed models there might be more to do than this one machine.
Worse case is a failure between Sauturday and Monday, you are going to have to restore the oprevious full back up and and each on the intervening incrementals. The ony way to reduce that is to do more full back ups.
I'm also presuming you rotate the weeklies round as well, sometimes it can take a long time for an error to show.
One standard format is to have fortnightly and monthly backups (at least two months) available. However this depends on the number of changes and the nature of the data. Being able to revert a database to last month to rescue it means you lose a months work and in a high transaction environment that would be extremely unpopular.

by kevin203

Restore is not a problem cause i just need to restore the Monday full backup and the latest differential backup, thats all.

I only confuse that do i need to change the backup media everyday in the morning? If dun the backup job name is different from Mon to Sat.

by hmarks

He doesn't need to restore all the inrementail backuips becasue he doesn't make incrementials he makes differentials which in the language of NT Backup and backup exec mean all files changed since last FULL backup.

DR restore is full then last differential.

Note other applications (Including Veritas's own Netbackup) reverse these meanings.

by hockeyist

How about reading the manual.
The backup software that you are using should come with a manual which explains the pro's and con's of commomly used backup schemes. If the backup software that you are using is one of the mainstream ones then software should be able to create a backup set and schedule for you depending on your companys requirements. RTFM.

by kevin203

My company only need a set of backup data that are out of the office everyday. Full backup might be too long for backup, around 3 hours a day. So i prefer one full every monday and differential from Tue to Sat.

I am using Microsoft backup system.

by j.lupo

Well, I learned that you generally want to have a full backup on Friday's based on system use and on recovery issues. By backing up fully on Fridays, you have not lost a full weeks worth of work. If there is a problem during the week, then you only need to restore incrimentals up to that point.

I also, learned (and this is all from experience) that it pays to keep at least three generations of backups. Something once called the "grandfather, father, son" principle. :) Might be showing my age with this one. At any rate the idea is, that you keep a full backup on a media, then the next full backup is on a different media, and the third is on still a different. Now you can rotate the three media starting at the oldest.

I saw a lot of good posts about verifying your backups. This is cruicial as I uncovered early on in my career. You never know. If I remember one of the posts specified that you were backing up documents. I had a user save their files with control characters in the name - I still haven't figured out how they accomplished it - and that caused the backups to be bad.

Just something to think about in my opinion. Good Luck

by jbaker

My schedule is (for now) exactly opposite that. Due to the large volume of data, it is not feasible to do a complete backup during the week. For that reason, we do incremental backups on Mon to Thurs, then do a full on Friday. I am going to reinstall our backup solution in about two weeks, and in addition to adding more tapes to the rotation, I am reevaluating how we do the backups so that we can perhaps do a full more often.

Now, that said, our database server with all of our financial data and customer data is on a seperate backup, and it gets a full backup each and every night.

by tonythetiger

Seperating "more important data" from "less important data" and assigning a different shcedule for each.

Also check for data that doesn't really need to be backed up. For example, we have the data disks (3 DVDs) for a mechanics' application loaded on a server. It is senseless to back this data up, as it never changes, and it is faster to reload it from the original media than it would be from tape.

by tony hopkinson

One for the 'system' which is done during holidays or after proving a system upgrade. The other for data. The servers are hardware mirrored, database is replicated. The replication slave is the one that's backed up. Both servers are never out at the same time, kept in separate locations as well. So in theory the only time I should need my backups would be for a catastrophic virus that got inside the DMZ or for a long unnoticed database corruption. The latter is why you dont re-use last weeks back up media.

by the admiral

One Question, why is this backwards?

Friday is when you want to do your fulls, all other times do your differential, except for Wednesday when you do an incremental.

We have lost ZERO data doing it like that, but then again, it might not be best for your situation.

by limmartin

I have been doing this...

1st back up full (anyday)
mon-thu differential
fri full
Month end full (last friday of the month)

We have 2 sets mon-fri tapes, 1 for odd month and the other for even month.

As for month end, we retain 12 tapes (one for each month).

Any comments on this? Please share your experience and advice what I can do to improve..thanks in advance.

by metro_au

if you have the tape capacity and the window, always do a full backup when possible.

my servers run the following schedule:

mon to thu - full backup (4 tapes, used weekly)
friday - full backup in 7 week rotation
end of month - full backup in 12 month rotation

some people have a 2nd set of mon to thu tapes, cycling the tapes every fortnight.

if you don't have terabytes of data, and can possibly manage it - do a full backup every day. The time to recovery is much less, the chance of recovery is higher.

by dubdays

You'd better restore to a non-production machine before you try it on the real-deal!

Yeah, I know I'm an idiot. Sorry.

by tony hopkinson

After all a restore can easily go partially wrong, leaving you completely paddleless. No current system and nothing backed up. A straight image before you start experimenting is a good idea, it also simplifies the process of testing if you can restore to a known state to test the next iteration of your back up procedure.

by monsterrick

I am not using Windows Backup but I can share my experience of using Backup Exec. I am using the backup scheme that same as your situation.

Back to your questions posted...
1) Is it necessary to change tape daily? I guess you are asking for days of running differential backup. That's very depends on the capacity of the backup tape. If it can house all copies of differential backup for a week, you can set the differential job to append to the media. But, remember to set the first day of differential backup job (the one after the full backup job) to overwrite the media.

2) Is it easy to restore? The easier way is full backup everyday as you only need one tape on-hand. Both differential or incremantal backup rely on the full backup tape if you need to restore files that did not modify after the full backup job. Thus, you need to identify the latest copy of the file is in the full backup tape or in a differential tape.

If you need further assistance, can you provide your environment details? Such as capacity of the tape, size of data to be backed up, backup windows requirement, data recovery requirement etc.

Hope this help.

by monsterrick

My assumption is one tape for full backup and one other tape for all differential backup.
By doing this, you can send the weekly full backup offsite to safeguard it.

by tony hopkinson

particularly DAT, you can get lots of problems. I've had drives chew the tape. One sort of drive not liking a tape from a different model. Bad end of tape. Tapes in a draw and some one drowning them in coffee. Tapes in datasafe and person with key taking it on holiday (that's why there were tapes in a drawer). Prayers, lucky charms, and human sacrifices can't do any harm. Backups are Murphy's favourite playground. How paranoid you get should be related to the criticality of the machine you are backing up, not it's vulnerability.

by j.lupo

Tony have to agree 100% with you. You just don't know what can happen and if the information is critical then you need to have lots of backups. Today it can be automated so that the backups run during non-peak hours. You don't have to babysit them unless you KNOW that you have frequent issues. Its all part of the process of taking care of the system. Part of the job requirements. I actually liked doing the backups because noone else was around and I got more work done. :)

The schedule isn't the only thing of importance. Keeping storage off-site, on-site, and just about any "safe" place you can think of. Thanks for reminding me Tony.

by rhantson

Probably the best way would be to put together a grandfather - father - son backup schedule...

1st Sunday Month - Full Backup
Every Monday - Full Backup (save em until the monthly)
Every Tue - Sun - Differential (toss em at the Monday Backup)

Then, archive each monthly backup... you'll be able to go back as far as you want, and will take up the LEAST amount of tapes or whatever media you are using to backup with...

Hope that helps...

by anleath1

Having ran foul of back up tapes failing I have now split it into 3 parts, DB, User data and Email, with separate tapes for each part

Implemented the following backup schedule for each part

Mon ? Thu Full backup
Fri ? Weekly backup (4 weeks per month)
1st day of Month ? Monthly backup (12 Months per year)
End of year

Also have an online backup of the user data which is replicated each hour.

by tonythetiger

We have another server, which we mirror files from two other servers to every night. Most restores we do are from the previous day, so this is the quickest way for us to restore, just drag and drop.

We also set up the shares the same on the alternate server so that, in the event one of the primary servers fails, we can simply point the users to the alternate server in the login script, and they will be back up in minimum time (though with yesterday's data).

This is, of course, in addition to the tape backup.

by tony hopkinson

and splitting out the back up on a functional basis. The scariest one though fortunately rare is a rogue application thats stuffs up your data and then your system replicates garbage across the architecture. This is why Murphy's Anti invented removable media and made it reasonably cheap so you could keep it for a long time. 15 weeks in my case. Quarterly full back ups are a separate schedule and that's a two year (off-site) cycle as well. Still vulnerable to an inside sabotage job though, I'm working on that, all the solutions involved trusting me.

aka The Paranoid One

by tonythetiger

I suppose I should worry more about sabotage, but quite frankly it would have to be by someone who doesn't work here :)

by j.lupo

Yes we did that too at one company. At another, we even had an off site shadow system. If our primary went down and we couldn't recover from the backups, we would bring up the shadow system. The users never knew when we were down because of it.

by unclerob

I work at a smaller office (@45-50 users, 5 servers), I don't ever mess with incrementals or differentials, every backup's a full backup. I maintain 4 weeks worth of regular use DLT backup tapes + offsite tapes, my file & print box is a hefty @50gb backup and that takes a little over 3 hours to complete. My exchange server is maybe a 20gb backup and maybe takes an hour to complete, my win2k adc is a small backup, probably doesn't take more than 20-30 min to backup and only contains maybe 3-4gb. My backup/SUS server is similar in size & time, same thing for my my navce server. I start my backups in the evening when there is no one working in the office. I use Backup Exec v8.6 with Open File Option so if there is a midnight shift running I can still backup any open files. I don't think combined my backups take more than 5-6 hours to complete not including the time I spend backing up exchange .pst dumps onto DVD-R media for offsite storage. When I read that your full backup takes 51 Hours, well it just scared the !@#$% out of me when I read it. You must work for a !@#$% huge company. What type of backup software & media do you use. Sounds like if anyone knows backup procedures, software & media to use, you would be the man, Change your handle to Backup Guru, your backups are a full time job for sure!

by tony hopkinson

somewhere where complete strangers are trusted more than the employees.
Or did you all accidentally sign a contract making you and your entire family financially responsible for any loss of data.
LOL

by kevin203

I currently is using Hp Surestore as a backup device. After i play around with a few backup, I want to schedule a weekly backup using GFS method. But i cannot erase the data in the tape that i use to test previously.

All i can erase is the backup job name using Ms backup utilities.

by kevin203

I do some research on HP backup tape DDS3 on how to format or overwrite the media when i want to restructure the backup policy of my company.

Nothing was writen about how to format or reuse the tape.

Is that mean that the tape is only meant to use for one time with a single job name. How if i want to delete the data inside and add a fresh data in?

Any suggestion...

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