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By B_Pope ·
My questions pertains to "bandwidth", I need to find out all the details including pricing if possible regarding "bandwidth". Not my costs as a home user of bandwidth when I surf the web, but the costs & details involved prior to my using it. I "don't" need any details about routers, hubs, networks, bridges, lans, atm, switches or any other technical details, just who supplies it & at what costs, price breakdowns if possible, any volume discounts & their breakdowns .

To further explain, I live in Canada & their are 954 registered Internet providers, of that their are 5 main ones (largest) they are Shaw communications, Telus inc, Sympatico, Roger's & Videotron.

If I use Sympatico as my example (my ISP) I know my bandwidth cost by doing the math.
I don't know Sympatico's costs or any volume discounts they get.
I do know that Bell Nexxia provides them with bandwidth but not the costs involved.

Bell Canada is the parent company of both Sympatico & Bell Nexxia
Bell Nexia beingthe wholesale arm
Sympatico being the retail arm

Bell Canada owns all the telephone infrustucture or at least most of it in Canada their are several others, but they don't own much compared to Bell Canada.

So of course the other 949 ISP's in Canada have to buy their bandwidth from Bell Nexxia (Bell Canada), AT&T, Telus or CALL-net Enterprises, there are others but these are the main ones. As well they pay a set monthly fee for each of their subscribers to whomever's infrustructure their running on, this fee is regulated by our Federal government, part of their plan to keep competition alive in the telephone Internet market, you should laugh right here HAHAHA...

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by B_Pope In reply to Bandwidth infrastucture

Anyway if your privy to this type of info, but don't wish to post an answer here. I would appreciate it, if you would email me & I'll explain the exact reason I need this info. It can be any example with bogus names as long as qty & pricing are correct, from within North America as the U.S. & Canada are very similar in this regards.

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by DKlippert In reply to Bandwidth infrastucture

See if oone of these links points you in the right direction.
The first one is Australian, but has world wide references.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I57923331


http://www.cptech.org/isdn/bandwidth.html

http://www.cptech.org/isdn/nrritn.html

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by B_Pope In reply to Bandwidth infrastucture

Thanks DKlippert
Took awhile to sort through the "overwhelming" amount of info but found most of what I was looking for.

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by maxwell edison In reply to Bandwidth infrastucture

You may have to pay for the iexact nformation you seek. With that in mind, here is a possible source.

http://allnetresearch.internet.com/item/0,,2329583_1,00.html

http://allnetresearch.internet.com/

In addition, I can provide (by cut and paste) the following:

In order to determine the cost of dedicated leased lines, you first have to make a distinction between point-to-point (PTP) and frame (or SMDS, ATM, or whatever non-PTP line you may offer).

The key in making money in leasedline connectivity is oversubscription. The principle of oversubscription is simple: It's a gamble that not all of the leased-line customers want full connectivity at the same time. At what rate you choose to oversubscribe your bandwidth at is your choice; this may change, depending on whether the connectivity is PTP or frame.

Customers who purchase PTP connectivity tend to require more bandwidth. This may force you to operate at an oversubscription rate as low as a 2:1, therefore raising your costs?and your price.
Note: If you sell to ISPs, web hosting, or other resellers of bandwidth, they are likely to fall into this category, and it is normal to charge them a higher rate.

Frame relay customers tend to use less bandwidth. With most frame connections, the customer has a committed information rate (CIR) and burst rate. In most cases the CIR is one-half of the burst rate (for example, 128k CIR on a 256k line). This constitutes a built-in oversubscription model for you, allowing you to oversubscribe at least 4:1.

Assuming a 4:1 oversubscription rate, and a cost of $2,000 (including local loop, as always), then your bandwidth cost per T-1 would be $500.

Here's the math:
 $2,000 / 4:1 over subscription rate = $500/T-1 in bandwidth cost.

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by maxwell edison In reply to Bandwidth infrastucture

Equipment cost.
If you have a router dedicated to lease lines, then determining the cost is relatively easy. (I will assume this. If it is shared, then you need to determine what proportion of the router goes towards leased line, and what part to your own capacity.)

If you use a router that cost $2,500 and has 2 serial ports (one for connectivity in, one for outbound frame connectivity to your customers) and your 2 CSU/DSUs (one for each serial port) cost $500 each, then your total equipment cost would be $3,500. Assuming a moderately conservative 24 month depreciation schedule, your monthly cost for that router is around $145. If you serve 4 T-1 connections off of that router, your monthly equipment cost per T-1 would be $36.25.Here's the math:
 $2,500 (for the router) + $1,000 (for the CSU/DSUs) = $3,500 (total equipment cost)
 $3,500 / 24 months = ~$145/month in equipment cost
 $145/month / 4 T-1s = $36.25 (equipment cost per T-1 per month)

More time consuming is determining the cost of maintenance, power and A/C for the router. To accurately determine the cost, you need to track the time (in man-hours) devoted to maintaining the router and multiply it by the cost per man hour. (Found by adding up the salary, benefits, taxes, etc of the employee, and dividing by the number of hours they work.) For power, you can actually find out what the amperage usage of the router is, and multiply it by the kwh you pay per month, and you will have your cost.

Source:

http://www.isp-planet.com/business/pricing4.html

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by maxwell edison In reply to Bandwidth infrastucture

Your question was certainly intriguing enough to do a little research, and one could guess as to why you want such information. If my guess is correct, these links may be helpful as well.

http://www.isp-planet.com/business/getting_into_isp1.html
http://www.isp-planet.com/resources/isp_guide/index.html

Best of luck to you.

And, of course, REMOVE the SPACES that may have snuck into the pasted URLs.

Maxwell

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by maxwell edison In reply to Bandwidth infrastucture

A couple of more links:

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3426919~root=ilec,bc~mode=flat

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3426919~root=ilec,bc~mode=flat

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by maxwell edison In reply to Bandwidth infrastucture

I was reading Network Computing Magazine (hardcopy) and saw this article. It may be of interest, and/or may provide additional information you seek.

Excerpt from article:

Cogent Communications pricing appears to be a model of simplicity; there's no need to memorize complicated formulas or figure out how far a location is from a central office. All you have to do is remember $1,000 per 100 megabits of bandwidth. But there are countless variations on this simple model.

See link(s) to the entire article:

http://www.networkcomputing.com/shared/printArticle?article=nc/1313/1313f2full.html&pub=nwc

http://www.networkcomputing.com/1313/1313f2.html

http://www.networkcomputing.com/

Remove Spaces from the pasted URL.

Cogent Communications:

Cogent's all-optical end-to-end IP network enables 100 Mbps and 1000 Mbps connectivity at radically low, unmetered pricing levels. The Cogent solution makes ultra-high speed Internet access and transport services an affordable reality for small and medium-sized businesses, as well as large enterprises and service providers.

The company's website is:

http//www.eXchangeColo.com.

For further information, contact (415) 508-2800

Maxwell

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by B_Pope In reply to Bandwidth infrastucture

Thank Maxwell
All the info has been very helpfull. The brain overload has ended finaly.

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by NathanH In reply to Bandwidth infrastucture

This is the first source you should check when it comes to anything in the ISP arena:

http://www.boardwatch.com/isp/bb/n_america.htm
(remove any spaces in the URL)

You should be able to find pricing for any type of service there.

Nathan

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