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Betrayed? & confused

By myst33 ·
I accepted a position that included managing a small IT staff. The Sr. manager hired me & asked if I was intending to stay for several years since they would be retiring w/i 2 yrs & wanted somone who would ease into their position. They pointed out that prev. asst. managers failed because they were all too pushy & clashed w/ the Sr. For over a year, I've had no problems"tending
the shop" while Sr was on vacations until now after the Sr. went on the last holiday vacation and returned. Just before vacation Sr. had asked me to set up some work assignments which I did & started going over the new assignments w/ the workers the week before the Sr. left for vacation. On return Sr. goes ballistic when I say in passing that I completed handing out the new assignments which would begin in two weeks. I was stymied. The Sr. tells me I shouldn't have "started anything new" while they were gone. I tell Sr. that I thought the slow holiday period was a great time to prep the new assigns. Although all employees were aware of the assignments the Sr. left, the Sr tells me that that was a big mistake & that the workers view me as "untrustworthy" - I had thought I had gotten nothing but positive feedback from the workers & don't know why the Sr. would be reacting this way. This was before any employees had arrived since vacation time, so they hadn't had any time to give feedback - although it may be relating something previous - I have no idea. Sr. tells me " I'm just trying to help you" by telling me this - but I sense it is the Sr that views me as untrustworthy. Since I did not initiate anything new or something the Sr. was unaware of, I feel that I was simply continuing to do what I was asked to do. I was too stymied to argue w/ them but feel that if this Sr views me as
"untrustworthy" then I'm wasting my time @ this job because when this Sr. leaves it may be unlikely I will be promoted into their position; the very reason I was hired. - Am I being dense on not forseeing this reaction? - Any suggestions on how to handle this is welcome..

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still not quite sure what happened..

by secure_lockdown In reply to Betrayed? & confused

but business is business. your IT shop is a place of work/business. you have to maintain a professional and business relationship with co-workers.

he is senior. you are junior. if you start bad mouthing him to other co-workers you will make the situation worse and whats more - you will look incompetent because you are not behaving professionally at work.

the usual rules apply ---> maintain a level head and objectivity and don't make a decision until you have all the facts.

just tell the guy you're sorry for the misunderstanding and it won't happen again. don't let it happen again and let the whole thing **** over. if he's angling to fire you - he will keep looking until he finds something.

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Agree - been there, done that

by FitNut In reply to still not quite sure what ...

Sounds like some of the misunderstandings that I've had with my Senior.

Expectations weren't clear. That may be his fault, or your fault. That's not the point. The point is to suck it up and apologize for the misunderstanding and make sure expectations are crystal clear in the future.

Since this is the first incident, I wouldn't be too worried. In my case, my supervisor made this standard practice. It was very frustrating.

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Always wondered why I never made manager

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to Agree - been there, done ...

Being from the north of england myself I'd go for being extremely contrite and apologetic and show a lot of regret



about forcefully inserting the assignments in Sr's rear orifice.

Given we accept that Sr. didn't set you up, and you didn't deliberately exceed your authority, this is just a communications failure. A painful one in your appreciation, but it's that simple. But when I was taught how to communicate, I was told you had to make sure the recipient understood what you meant. This is a nice theory that you have to learn when receiving from the higher up the chain to modify slightly. The onus is then on you to make sure you've understood correctly.

So as usual it's all your fault !!

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I know what happened.

by robdew In reply to Betrayed? & confused

Ask yourself these questions.

1. Do I put-out enough for the Sr. management?
2. Does Sr. management see me as an asset or a goat sniffer?
3. I know what team I should be playing for but am I supposed to wear a cup?
4. Do I look (smell) professional?

I think you will find the answer in these questions...

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Management by Objectives

by itpreneur In reply to I know what happened.

Maturity in this intense IT Professional world must be displayed. It may happen to either your CIO/CFO or any of your immediate direct or indirect superior. These people have lived out most of their corporate life. In order this kind of people, see to it that you understand them well by documenting and have their approval prior to your actions. Just give them the respect and credit that they are looking for. anyways, clarify the objective of the management to see to it that your actions may align and you'll see that you have already bear the fruit what you have planted already.Live with them humbly.

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Set Up to Fail - Naive Approach

by CfK In reply to Betrayed? & confused

You are naive to think that you have been hired as a replacement for someone on the basis of a 3-year plan. That equates to a 3-year job interview, which you will fail - inevitably. The longer you are in a position the more you are locked into peoples perceptions, especially your seniors in the organisation.
If you want to improve your chances to get this job you should have started before now in getting yourself recognised and known by these seniors all through the organisation. Being very social and ensuring you make your senior take you with him and involve you in everything he is doing is extremely useful tactics.
However that is now in the past and you have to face a rather unpalatable fact - you missed the boat.
One of two things will happen from here on in:
1. Your senior will now be engaging on a series of tactics to either harden you up or push you out. That will include talking to the team without your knowledge, giving you tasks that have no authority, and becoming very demanding with deadlines and issues.
2. He will realise he has made a mistake, but not publicly acknowledge it. You will notice a cooling of attitude and friendliness towards you, and will need to ensure you do your best not to rock his boat in any way, without appearing to him to do so.
Either way watch your back and document everything carefully, keep secure copies. You are in trouble.

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Office Politics

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to Set Up to Fail - Naive Ap ...

must be real hard where you are. If you haven't read Sun Tzu, I'm not sure you need to.

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that explains....

by myst33 In reply to Set Up to Fail - Naive Ap ...

...the last three short-lived employees who previously had my position. Since, my experience managing more than one/two part time employees was nil until this job, there's no doubt, I've been a bit naive. However, I have been cautiously optimistic about the job's future - that several others have failed did not miss my attention.. - I think this manager is looking for a "mini-me" & so far hasn't found one... they won't find it w/ me either...
thanks for the feedback

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Moving forward / out?

by CfK In reply to that explains....

The main thing to learn is that when you are being interviewed get as much information about your potential boss as well as the company you are looking at.
Ask questions about the social aspects of the company (social clubs, sports, etc) and engage the potential bosss in off-topic discussion briefly in areas where interest is sparked. Find out if partners get involved in some activities as well, and lead on to families if they have one. Keep is short and appear friendly, open, and relaxed, but observe everything and consider your replies and responses.
You can build a picture pretty quickly from this on whether the potential boss is fishing for a duplicate, a 'yes' man, someone to coach, or a scapegoat to hang things on.
Look at whether the potential boss is a manager first or a technical person first. Technical people do not manage well as they want to 'keep the hand in'. Managers may not understand all the intracacies but understand people and emotive impacts better.
Understand where you want to be and explain that very clearly - but practice on someone you know first so they can provide some feedback on how you are presenting yourself. You want to appear confident of your abilities, but seeking more in some areas over a defined time period.
On a final note understand that a promise of promotion is worth very little unless it is specified in your contract - it is a con to get you in the first place and costs the company nothing. Only accept promises where they can be kept, and only promise what you can deliver. Don;t be afraid to question both, but be sure of your answers about yourself.
Keep well.

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Just a comment of support

by Gruvdog In reply to Betrayed? & confused

I have encountered just such two-faced types and the only way I know how to deal with it is take them with you to upper management and lay it out without mincing words.

Realistically though, this type person is very dishonest, very political, very devious, and very unstable. There is really no way to win against them accept to utterly destroy them. If the situation is that U/M trusts them too much you have no choice but to resign. If not you'll be miserable and they will do you great damage.

I personally would go to upper management and tell them why I was leaving the firm.

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