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By AV . ·
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I don't know about you, but I think there is a good segment of our population that has gone mad with the "birther" conspiracy about Barack Obama. I'm glad he finally released his long form birth certificate, but no, it still isn't enough for some people. There must be something sinister about our President. Oh, how did he get into Harvard? He should release is grades and if they aren't up to par, then it must have been the result of Affirmative Action. How low can some people go with this crap.

Talk like this does nothing to solve the problems of our country. Why does our media focus on this issue, as if its newsworthy? How embarrassing this is to me that we have no respect for President Barack Obama and someone like Donald Trump is questioning his legitimacy.


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After in-depth analysis, my conclusion:

by AnsuGisalas In reply to Birthers

Apparently, to Trump, the president is pigmentation challenged.
Next Trump will demand that the KKK be allowed to burn some crosses on the white house lawn, to exercise their freedom of expression.

If the populace is ok with this, they'll keep doing it. If the populace rises up and hits them with shovels till they bleed, then they'll stop. There is no in-between.

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Them: Who would that be?

by seanferd In reply to After in-depth analysis, ...

Is Them the parts of the populace that has been hitting the rest of us with stupid until we bleed? Or is there another target?

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To be honest

by JamesRL In reply to Birthers

If you looked at the academic records of past presidents, I'm sure there aren't that many great students. Truman dropped out. Kennedy partied hard as did GWB. Nixon on the other hand got a full scholarship to law school.

I think there is no proof that can shake the birthers beliefs, because they aren't based on fact but instinct and fear. Trump was using birthers to get attention.

When I was growing up, we had similar nuts in the conservative party who thought that the Liberal Prime Minister, Pierre Trudeau, was a closet communist. There were pamphlets circulated. They made great reading after a few beers, real howlers. But there are nuts attracted to every political group.

The real surprise is that someone who may aspire to be president joins forces with them. It shows what kind of mind he has, and its not a flattering portrait.

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"...It's not a flattering portrait."

by GSG In reply to To be honest

Neither is his hair.

Sorry, couldn't resist. I think if Donald Trump is elected that I'll have to look into living in a cave in the deep woods somewhere and living off of the land and off the grid.

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Trump is just an opportunist

by AV . In reply to To be honest

Why he chose to join forces with the right-wing fringe of the Republican party, I don't know. He could stop the birther debate anytime, but instead continues to fuel it by now attacking Obama's academic record. Its absolutely scary to me that so many people find him to be an acceptable candidate for President. I would die of embarassment if he ever got elected. He sounds more like a mob boss instead of a Presidential contender.**9.html

I agree that each party has its share of nuts, but the Republican party has been taken over by the more extreme elements. It is no longer the party of Lincoln, its the party of Donald Trump or someone like him. People have lost their minds in this country.


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We don't have The Donald to kick around any more.

by CharlieSpencer In reply to Trump is just an opportun ...

Like any opportunist, he's decide to stay where the paychecks are larger and the hassles are fewer. So much for that fart in the political wind.

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The irony of it all

by JamesRL In reply to We don't have The Donald ...

Talk about Hubris and arrogance, here is his statement;

After considerable deliberation and reflection, I have decided not to pursue the office of the Presidency. This decision does not come easily or without regret; especially when my potential candidacy continues to be validated by ranking at the top of the Republican contenders in polls across the country. I maintain the strong conviction that if I were to run, I would be able to win the primary and ultimately, the general election. I have spent the past several months unofficially campaigning and recognize that running for public office cannot be done half heartedly. Ultimately, however, business is my greatest passion and I am not ready to leave the private sector.

"I want to personally thank the millions of Americans who have joined the various Trump grassroots movements and written me letters and e-mails encouraging me to run. My gratitude for your faith and trust in me could never be expressed properly in words. So, I make you this promise: that I will continue to voice my opinions loudly and help to shape our politician's thoughts. My ability to bring important economic and foreign policy issues to the forefront of the national dialogue is perhaps my greatest asset and one of the most valuable services I can provide to this country.

I will continue to push our President and the country's policy makers to address the dire challenges arising from our unsustainable debt structure and increasing lack of global competitiveness. Issues, including getting tough on China and other countries that are methodically and systematically taking advantage of the United States, were seldom mentioned before I brought them to the forefront of the country's conversation. They are now being debated vigorously. I will also continue to push for job creation, an initiative that should be this country's top priority and something that I know a lot about. I will not shy away from expressing the opinions that so many of you share yet don't have a medium through which to articulate.

I look forward to supporting the candidate who is the most qualified to help us tackle our country's most important issues and am hopeful that, when this person emerges, he or she will have the courage to take on the challenges of the Office and be the agent of change that this country so desperately needs."

Thank you and God Bless America!

Donald J. Trump

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Doesn't that just make you want to vomit

by AV . In reply to The irony of it all

It does me. You know why, James? He was just wasting our time. He never intended to run and was just interested in exploiting the "birther" controversy to get publicity for himself.

He did a huge disservice to the US by turning the Republican party's nominations for President into a laughing stock for shills, and to quote from President Obama, "Carnival Barkers".


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by jck In reply to Doesn't that just make yo ...

Of course, it's all a dog and pony show. Trump was just more obvious.

All the world's a stage...

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Well of two minds on that

by JamesRL In reply to Doesn't that just make yo ...

I think even dumb people should be able to run for the nomination, what would make me vomit is if he won.

He actually is deluded enough to think that he has influenced the race. He somehow takes the birther issue, where he was proven wrong, and turns it into a win. He thinks he has changed the national discourse.

I think its entirely possible he was uncomfortable with the idea that when you run for President, you have to make a complete personal financial disclosure, and some have suggested that it would show he isn't as wealthy as he tries to portray. He also isn't used to situations where he doesn't dominate and control the press. He was actually taken aback by all the negative attention he got from the press. Exactly what was he expecting?

We had a similar situation in the 80s, where a eccentric millionair ran for leader of the conservative party. No one thought he would win, even the pros he hired to campaign for him. But to be honest, I think he lost credibility because the more we got to know him, the less we thought of his abilities.

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