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Boot problem with SATA clone of IDE

By alphabetax1 ·
Hi, I hope someone can help me with this incredibly frustrating problem...

I am trying to upgrade my 20GB Seagate IDE drive to a 200GB Maxtor Diamond Plus 10 SATA drive.

After installing the SATA drive I was able to boot into XP Home off the IDE drive and after formatting and assigning a drive letter in Computer Management I was able to see and use the SATA drive without any problems (although I was surprised Windows didn't go throught the 'Detected New Hardware' routine).

Using Casper XP I cloned my IDE drive to the SATA drive (no errors reported) and then shut down the PC. On rebooting I went into the BIOS (Asus K8N mobo with AMI BIOS - flashed to latest non-beta version) and was able to see the SATA drive (although it detects it as being on IDE 3) when I make the SATA drive the primary boot device I am left with a flashing cursor in the top left of a black screen after the POST process and the boot process stops there. This happens whether or not the old IDE drive is still attached or not.

I then thought the problem might be related to SATA drivers (even though XP could recognise and use the drive fine when booed off the old IDE drive) - so I booted off my old IDE drive again and downloaded the MaxBlast 4 software from the Maxtor website. This software claims it will clone my old drive to my SATA one and prepare it as a boot drive. Well after going through cloning process again with the Maxtor software (no errors reported) I get exactly the same problem when I attempt to boot from the SATA!

Any new ideas would be gratefully received!

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by bheite In reply to Boot problem with SATA cl ...

OK, I have fought this battle and learned the following: IF your SATA controller is 3rd party on your motherboard (such as a Promise chip) the only way that it will ever boot is if you have a fresh XP install where you install the third party drivers BEFORE anything else (at the little prompt that says "Do you need to install 3rd party drivers?". A lot of times it seems people get confused and think it is for RAID only. Next, if you are using an Intel chipset (ICH5 or higher), the drivers for the 2 native SATA channels ARE in XP SP2, but not SP1. If you loaded an SP2 from the beginning, it will work and you have an issue with the format transfer. BTW SP1 patched to SP2 does not appear to count. I had the exact same issue you do with an ASUS 915 board, and quit, as it could run one drive, but if a second was added, it would start looping the boot sequence, and don't even mention the Promise controllers 4 ports, as I didn't know about the driver thing. One way around it is to install your new drive, format and install XP on it, and get it to boot, then (you will love this), get an external HD enclosure, and hook it up via USB, and windows will just assign another drive letter to it, and you can copy all your data back. I just assembled a system with a Gigabyte 865PE MB, and that was what we had to do, because they system would not boot up if the IDE drive was there, so we just copied it to a partition and had the data there. Good luck.

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by alphabetax1 In reply to

Thanks for your help - so it seems from your comment that reinstalling with F6 Install Third Party drivers is the only way to go.

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by wcp In reply to Boot problem with SATA cl ...

ASUS K8N MB has NVidia NF3 chipset.

Cloning SATA to IDE should work but not the other way around.

For IDE to SATA cloning to work, you need to reinstall Windows (in-place upgrade or repair installation) on your IDE HD first. Install NVidia SATA controller drivers (F6). You may need to provide the two drivers via a floppy.
Once reinstallation is done, you ghost from the IDE HD to SATA and then boot from the SATA.
Do not connect the SATA until the IDE is ready to be ghosted.

If you need more info, please add a comment.

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by wcp In reply to

It appears that there are three kinds of responses so far.

1. Use the best (?) image program to clone IDE to SATA.
This does not work because the SATA driver was not installed the proper way.

2. Clean install Windows on SATA.
This works.

3. Reinstall Windows in IDE by installing SATA controller driver in the text installing stage (hit F6 for RAID or SCSI driver).
This should work. I once clean installed Windows in an IDE HD installing SATA driver in the text installing stage. I then ghosted the HD to a SATA and was able to boot to Windows without any problem. This is why I believe that reinstallation should work.

I have not tried this but simply reinstalling Windows in your current SATA might work provided that the SATA driver is installed in the text installation stage. There are two NVidia SATA controller drivers that must be installed.

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by alphabetax1 In reply to

Thanks for your help, it confirms the 1st answer received about installing third party drivers.

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by G... In reply to Boot problem with SATA cl ...

It may work if you still have the other HD and installing the SATA drive before cloning to it. Eventually put the XP CD in and follow the procedure there (think it's like F6 then install the driver) and try to repair your installation

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by alphabetax1 In reply to

Thanks for your help, it confirms the 1st answer received about installing third party drivers.

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by TyroneD In reply to Boot problem with SATA cl ...

All the advice above is great but why go through all those complicated procedures where there is a software that works, guaranteed.

Acronis has the best backup/imaging software which simply works. They have a free trial you can download and use.

http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/

Good luck!

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by TyroneD In reply to

All the advice above is great but why go through all those complicated procedures when* (correction) there is a software that works, guaranteed!

Acronis has the best backup/imaging software which simply works. They have a free trial you can download and use.

http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/

If you don't believe me, check out the awards this software has received:

http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/company/awards/

Good luck!

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by alphabetax1 In reply to

Sorry but even imaging with Acronis (very good tho it is) didn't solve the problem. Thanks anyway.

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