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Buying computer, Please help:)

By CcPunk28 ·
Hey guys I am going to buy a computer maybe from Dell right now because I get a tiny employee discount from them at the moment and NEED a newer computer. Anyways.. I need some help. My dad just bought a computer for like $400-$500 and it has Pentium 4 CPU 3.06GHz BUT computers I look at online that are like $900 have processors that are only like Intel? Core? 2 Duo Processor E4400 (2MB L2 cache,2.0GHz,800FSB) my OLD OLD cpu is 1.2ghz and CPU's that are 1.8 or 2ghz do not seem like a major difference after all these years later.

I just want to get an awsome computer that will play all the new games well, runs really fast with many things open at once ect. with only $700 - $800 to spend. I don't need a monitor or speakers, but of course I need a good gfx card and sound card that will work with my new awsome speakers but don't know much about either cards anymore.

I'm sure some of you guys know the secrets to getting an awsome deal. Can you guys PLEASE help me get through this process so I can find a nice computer. Everyones feedback will be MUCH appreciated. Thanks:) I'll also be on AIM as CcPunk82 if you'd like to contact me that way. (I have other messenger programs if that will help you help me hehe) I'm obviously anxious and excited! lol

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If you buy Dell you can only look at what they make

by OH Smeg In reply to Buying computer, Please h ...

If you build your own you can buy what you want and make it as fast and as good as you like.

Now as for CPU's Intel has released the Dual Core CPU's and these are rated as slower than the older P4's but as they have 2 Cores they tend to run faster than a 3.06 GIG P4.

As for Video Cards and Sound Cards if you buy Dell you will not have much option with any of these as they tend to be On Board and as such are part of the M'Board. These are cheaper than buying a M'Board, Video Card and Sound Card though today every M'Board for a desktop has on Board sound that you can use of chose to bypass and install something better. The Dell type M'Boards are the cheapest available so they tend to have everything running from the M'Board which results in slow Video Feeds as the Video uses System RAM to generate the Video Signal and System RAM is a lot slower than dedicated Video RAM. You also lack a Dedicated GPU as well and the CPU generates the Video which causes a performance hit as the CPU is now doing more that it was originally designed to do and while this is OK for a Business computer that is being only used for E-Mail, Word Documents and the like when it comes to games you will notice a significant degrading of performance.

If you want a decent Games system I would suggest building it yourself so you get a custom Box that suits your needs not a off the shelf box that you are making too many compromises on to do what you require.

Col

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Thank You

by CcPunk28 In reply to If you buy Dell you can o ...

Very good reasoning there. Thanks for saving me the waste of money. If I don't find someone to help me build the computer wich I may very well then I have had someone IM me and walk me through a good looking system for $778 Check out the specs and let me know what ya think please:) (I went with AMD, not sure what ya think of that?)

CPU: (Socket AM2) AMD Athlon?64 X2 4000+ Dual-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport Technology
C Sony Q170A 18x Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive [+5] (BLACK
HD Single Hard Drive (320GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD [+29])
MOTHERBOAR (Socket AM2)MSI K9N4 SLI-F nForce 500 SLI Chipset DDR2/800 SATA-II RAID MBoard w/ Dual 16x PCI-Express
MEMORY: (Req.DDR2 MainBoard)2GB (2x1GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory [+90] (Corsair Value Select or Major Brand)
POWERSUPPLY: 500 Watts Power Supplies
SOUN HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
VIDEO: NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GS 256MB 16X PCI Express [+95] (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)

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For gaming AMD tends to be faster and the preferred Games

by OH Smeg In reply to Thank You

CPU I should have mentioned that in the above post.

Regarding Power Supplies I only use Antec PS's because I've had some excellent experiences with them over the years. I've seen several cases where the PS's have been exposed to Major Over-voltage Events like the High Tension Lines coming into contact with the Low Voltage Mains and the PS suffers complete destruction but protects the internals of the computer. Granted I do not recommend this as a test but it's nice to know that you have that level of protection if it is required.

About the only problem that may crop up is the Video Card and M'Board as some AMD Chip Set M'Boards have incompatibilities with some NVidia Video Cards it may pay to ask if there are any Known Compatibility Issues between the M'Board & Video Card. Yes I know that the Chip Sets are from the same maker but it depends on how the different Factories put them together and what is built in and used from the chip Sets. You could also look at a 512 MEG Video card as well mainly because I'm using the 256 MEG ones on Workstations and they are the basic type that is currently available so they are really the Bottom of the Range. Also try to get a multi Head Video Card so you can use more than 1 monitor if necessary. While it may not be necessary now if you need this option it's just a matter of plugging in another Monitor and no messing around when you need to extend your desktop. More importantly it doesn't cost any difference so even if you never use the extra Monitor Adaptor it's there if you ever need it and it's not costing you any money.

The only thing that you'll need to be sure about is that you get the Drivers for all the Hardware. Some resellers remove these to get more business as you need these to load the drivers that are not on the Windows Install CD.

Also look at a decent case one that doesn't bend out of shape while you are fitting everything and more importantly one without sharp edges that cut you. They hurt!

Lets know how you get on

Col

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Hello

by CcPunk28 In reply to For gaming AMD tends to b ...

Ahh I posted a reply way earlier but I guess it didn't go through. Anyway, I'll make this one shorter (Lazy)lol. I ordered a computer before I got to read your post unfortunatley.. I got a none sharp case atleast:) I got to make sure they give me the drivers like you mentioned. I believe they will. This is what I got:
CAS: Raidmax Sagitta Mid-Tower 420W Gaming Case w/ Side Panel Window [-11] (BLACK COLOR)
CS_FAN: Default case fans
CPU: (Socket AM2) AMD Athlon?64 X2 4000+ Dual-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport Technology
C Sony Q170A 18x Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive [+5] (BLACK COLOR)
FLOPPY: NONE [-5]
FAN: AMD ATHLON64 CERTIFIED CPU FAN & HEATSINK
HD Single Hard Drive (320GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD [+29])
MOTHERBOAR (Socket AM2)MSI K9N4 SLI-F nForce 500 SLI Chipset DDR2/800 SATA-II RAID MBoard w/ Dual 16x PCI-Express
MEMORY: (Req.DDR2 MainBoard)2GB (2x1GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory [+90] (Corsair Value Select or Major Brand)
NETWORK: ONBOARD 10/100 NETWORK CARD
POWERSUPPLY: 500 Watts Power Supplies [+49] (**Recommended** NZXT PP500 500Watts Power Supply)
SERVICE: STANDARD WARRANTY: 3-YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY PLUS 24/7 LIFE-TIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT
SOUN HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
USB: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
VIDEO: SPECIAL!!! NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GS 256MB 16X PCI Express [+95] (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)

Thanks for all the info bud.

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That will work though you may want a better sound card

by OH Smeg In reply to Hello

But that can be added latter if necessary as there are 2 PCI and should be 1 X PCI XPress Slot available.

Though as a personal preference I would have a Floppy in the thing but that's just me.

Col

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I was just thinking that...

by CcPunk28 In reply to That will work though you ...

Ya know when I was going over my order I realized I forgot the floppy. It would of only been a couple more dollars. It's not too big of a deal though. I am however worried about not having a sepereate sound card because I just bought a $200 THX verified set of speakers. The guy that helped me pick the parts said that the onboard sound was fine, but I didn't mention the speakers... I should have fit one in the budget.

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Dell does have PC's without the AOB (all on board) issue

by TG2 In reply to If you buy Dell you can o ...

Not that I like dell, but they DO have pc's that are not the "all on board" type of system.

And buying name brand, I find better satisfaction in the general build quality. Case in point, many IBM, Dell, and HP medium and higher end systems have excellent fans and cooling. I could right now, buy a refurb'd IBM for 200 and during normal business work, the CPU fan wouldn't have to come on higher than 1/4th speed so it makes little sound, going only to high speed when its in full on mode and heavy utilization..

And while I also prefer AMD chips for myself ... I have to say that Intel generally makes a better chip. Intel's generally suffer less heat failures (ie, cpu fan goes, the chip stops functioning, replace the fan and it works again, AMD's usually fry themselves) and in many of the math intensive applications Intel edges out AMD.

Some day, if AMD were ever able to clock at the same speed as Intel again, then we might see a true superiority show, but until then, less trouble with intel.. less motherboard cpu, or cpu video issues, etc..

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Well I hope I have enough fans

by CcPunk28 In reply to Dell does have PC's witho ...

Well I sure hope I have enough fans with this machine! I was thinking about ordering more but my budget was maxed.. That's also why I didn't get a seperate sound card and now I have to deal with that harsh rreality! (I listen to loud music all day) Oh well maybe some day in the future.

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