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Can somebody give me advice.....

By gemeurope ·
Two years ago I get layoff . After that decided go in an information technology school and get certificate for Network Security Administrator ( MCSA, A+, N+ and S+ certificate).Now after almost 2 months hunting for job,my big problem is basically that I have good certificates but not IT experience .I'm not really picky and I will do any IT job to get experience,but I really don't have any idea how get this entry level position and get some experience if every single ad for entry level IT job ask for minimum one year experience.
My question for all you guys who is have some time and wish to answer is,- what is the best way to get some entry level IT job and how , with this certificates what I have .Hope somebody from you guys have some idea ,advice that can give me .......
I really appreciate any single positive advice,idea and help

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help desk

by CG IT In reply to Can somebody give me advi ...

its more like customer service but it'll give you experience in the IT field.

Do temp work with staffing temp staffing places like Robert Half, KForce,

That or go get a BS in Computer Science.

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Walk around handing out your resume

by Deadly Ernest In reply to Can somebody give me advi ...

visit the local mum and dad computer stores, the big people that do third party support, like CSC, etc. And apply for any Help Desk and roll out jobs. Roll out jobs may be short term, but the companies concerned will call you back for their next one, and it doesn't take long for a good worker to be recognised.

Also you can get expereince by doing IT work as a volunteer charity group, expereience is experience, they don't say PAID experience.

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CSC requires a Degree

by CG IT In reply to Walk around handing out y ...

Computer Science Corp requires a degree. Even if your just doing server backups part time for them. No degree, no worky.

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Gee they must be different here in Australia

by Deadly Ernest In reply to CSC requires a Degree

I've seen them hire people out of tech college, while still doing their tech college degree. Admittedly they were in the final term of the 2 year diploma, but still not yet qualified.

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by Ben "Iron" Damper In reply to CSC requires a Degree

Must be different here in Texas. I have two friends working via CSC at Lockheed and neither have degrees, and one does not even have any certs just on the job experience.

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That's new

by CG IT In reply to Hmmm

CSC which used to manage most of the big aerospace company networks [and a lot of govt contracts] has historically required a BS in CS for hire. At Cal Tech's JPL, they will bring in college students in their 3rd and 4th year for hands on, but I've yet to hear them hire a non grad for any systems administration or network administration positions [in govt or aerospace sectors].

Maybe they got smart and learned that a BS in CS means programming and not systems and networking.

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I agree with CG

by rickenglish In reply to Can somebody give me advi ...

Temp or Contract Work and Help Desk is where most of us started. Take a couple of years of that.

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Disregard the conventional wisdom

by maxwell edison In reply to Can somebody give me advi ...

You can pass out resumes until you're blue in the face, and you still might not find a job. You might be told that you have to settle for some insignificant little position to "gain experience". You might hear that you have to "ask" for anything, just to get something. Believe me, that's all a bunch of bunk.

Number one: Don't "ask" for anything. Too many people "ask" for a job, and for some strange reason, they automatically feel entitled to one. Instead, you have to offer your services, make your skills available, and suggest to a potential employer (convince a potential employer) that you and your skills can help them improve their product, their process, and their profit.

Number two: Realize that almost ALL "IT positions" are not really in the IT industry, per se. Information Technology is a means to an end, not the end itself. Sure, a company like Dell might be in the "IT industry" because their product is a computer. But even Dell is in a different industry -- the sales industry. They're not really in the business of making computers; they're in the business of selling computers. Nonetheless, how many industries use Information Technology as a means to an end? How about ALL OF THEM. If you walk into the biggest automobile dealership in your town, for example, and talk to the owner of that dealership about bits and bytes and programs and RAM and hard drives and network switches and CAT5 and..... etc., you'll bore him/her to tears -- and you won't stand out from the rest of the crowd. Instead, if you can convince that person that you and your skills can help him sell more cars, then he'll be all ears. He wants to talk cars, not computers.

Which industry do you pick, you might ask? Ask yourself what grabs your fancy. What are you interested and knowledgeable in (other than computers)? Is it automobiles, real estate, architecture, home building, teaching, or what? Heck, you might say hot air balloons, but you'll find somebody at some company who wants to find a balloon enthusiast to take the reigns of their IT infrastructure so they can sell, rent, design, or whatever, bigger and better balloons -- and more of them. Use your IT skills to help them achieve THEIR goals. And if you have the IT skills AND an interest in their industry, you'll increase your chances -- and potential salary -- dramatically.

After you pick your industry, you then pick your company. However, before you make the first phone call, send that first letter, or make that first visit, you'll need to do some homework. You need to find out as much about that company as you can. What do they sell or what service do they provide? How much of it do they sell? Who's their target customer? How long have they been in existence? How many branch offices do they have? So many people go into an interview and ask about the company they're asking to work for. Instead, you're going to go into a company and describe how your skills can fit into their business model -- and how you can help them improve their product, their process, and their profit. And avoid the commonly followed "human resources" route. Write a letter to the president of the company, personally and by name, and briefly describe how your skills can fit into their business model. And you're not going to "ask" for a job either. You'll be exploring your opportunities. And if you can meet with him/her in person instead of the letter, that's even better yet.

Number three: Improve your writing skills -- and your verbal skills as well, if they're the same as your writing. Here is your message:

"Two years ago I get layoff . Don't write like that, and don't talk like that. You didn't "get layoff". Two years ago, I got laid off.

"After that decided go in an information technology school and get certificate for Network Security Administrator..." No, no, no, no. After that, I decided to attend an Information Technology school to get certified as a Network Security Administrator.

I could go on and correct almost every one of your sentences, but you get the idea. Learn to write well, and learn to speak well, and more doors will open for you than you've ever imagined. You might have all the IT skills in the world, but if you can't write and speak well, your opportunities will be limited.

By the way, presenting these things will get you a job. DOING these things will not only keep that job, but put you on a very fast track for advancement.

How do you start? Stephen Covey says to start with the end in mind. Picture yourself in a specific position, in a specific industry, at a specific place, and work backwards designing the path you'll take to get there.

If you do these things, you have a fabulous career to look forward to.

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Well said.

by Donner.W.Grigsby In reply to Disregard the conventiona ...

If Mr. Edison were to charge you for his advise, it would be well worth paying for it. I too help the younglings in their quests for employment, and I would like to add a few other things to his well framed instructions.

You need to READ! You can get better writing skills by reading, especially if you are paying particular attention to the details of the sentence structure and the way the paragraphs are constructed. Figure out the number of nouns that were used, and where the adjectives and such were positioned relative to them. Learning how to read more quickly is a wonderful thing because it decreases the amount of time spent studying. It also allows us to get though a lot more email (or web-surfing sessions) and still get a lot work done on our projects. Read - it does not matter what you read, even the funny pages, but devote time to learning how to read effectively.

Learn how to properly spell the words that you know how to use. Don?t go surfing the dictionary (to learn more words) until you can correctly spell all of those for which you comprehend the meaning. This way you will give the impression that that you are smarter than you really are. You won?t of course, actually be any smarter than what the good Lord made you. People don?t get to decide what kind of brain they have, but they do get to decide what they do with it. Most people associate intelligence with having the ability to properly spell words and correctly edit documents.

This only means that we have learned how to spell and write well. To get there, you have to spend time reading and to learn how to do it carefully. If someone asks you how to spell a certain word that is beyond your spelling vocabulary, you can say something like ?Hmm, I don?t normally use that word, let me look it up.? This is an example of ?being helpful to others? and it is something that all bosses like. Trust me, not being able to spell or read quickly is usually taken in a bad way; I truly wish I had understood the importance of these skills back when I was in school. It is something that I have spent many years trying to overcome. The more skilled among this list will note that my present abilities are no where near where they could be, and I freely acknowledge that I still have a way to go. Hence, the heart felt advice.

If you want to guarantee yourself the opportunity to hover around the lowest rung positions on the latter of success, it is something that is easy to achieve. All you have to do to derail a career or total an interview is to look, dress, and act outside of the norms for society. If you have obvious tattoos, chunks of metal stuck in your face, have a ?stylish? hairstyle, or use cult makeup, or anything else that a comic book hero would not wear, you are setting yourself up for extra special career challenges. All these things will make it more difficult to gain meaningful employment, or if there, to get promoted quickly.

What people do and how they look or act has a direct impact on the reputation of the company. If the words ?but, unfair, or I should be able do whatever?? show up in any counter argument, you have issues that you need to work out for yourself. I did not design the employment culture, but I do understand it.

Lastly, get you hands on trade magazines and subscribe to on-line technology forums. It is the advertisers that you are looking at. Yes advertising. Count up the number of different places that particular companies are advertising in and keep a record of them. The ones with the higher number of advertisements either have extra budget (meaning that they could hire you) or they are in really big trouble. When you apply, knowing how many different places that you have seen there work is a good thing, when it comes to the story you should include this point on the cover sheet of your resume and also bring it in the interview itself. It sends the message that you are keeping up on your reading and that you have been paying attention to messages that they are trying to tell.

Good luck.

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Thank you guys

by gemeurope In reply to Can somebody give me advi ...

In last 2 weeks I get few messages from you guys with advice how and where look for job.Thank you a lot for your time and trying to help me.Your advices are big help.
I'm really not picky and I'll do any job to get experience in IT and hope soon somebody here in Seattle will give me an oportunity.
Hope soon I'll find some job

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