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  • June 8, 2000 at 7:15 am #2073549

    Can’t install ’98 on AMD K6-III 450

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    by ssolomon · about 24 years, 10 months ago

    A friend of mine was putting together an AMD K6-III 450 box and ran into some trouble, so he asked for my pseudo-expert help. Ever since the system was put together it has had many problems. It’s basically the equivalent of a whiny teen who won’t do anything without complaining. Now, when we try to install windows, we always get a different crash. Sometimes after selecting the region, sometimes earlier, sometimes later. We have tried different RAM, the jumpers are all correct, the only cardis a video card, and the board is by Alton. Any suggestions? I would guess it would have to be the motherboard or CPU, but would like any input before I take that approach. Thanks.

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    • June 8, 2000 at 8:12 am #3894556

      Can’t install ’98 on AMD K6-III 450

      by gremlintrm · about 24 years, 10 months ago

      In reply to Can’t install ’98 on AMD K6-III 450

      Hi,

      Not knowing your HD & MB Chipset i can only suggest this:

      Get a utility from your HD mfr. to slow down
      your Hard Drive to PIO Mode 4 or less.

      In the BIOS, disable the L2 Cache and UDMA,
      set RAM access to slowest possible & no BIOS
      shadowing (System, GFX, SCSI). All Pipeline
      Caches etc. disabled.

      If possible use FDISK & FORMAT to remove & re-define a partition. Otherwise FDISK /MBR.

      Install Win98 & re-enable L2.

      If your HD is an ATA66, check that your MB,
      Chipset, Cable & Driver support it.
      Check your OS, (Microsoft?), MB, Chipset &
      HD Mfr. for updates, bugfixes & workarounds.

      CU,#Glenn

    • June 8, 2000 at 8:18 am #3894552

      Can’t install ’98 on AMD K6-III 450

      by trurod70 · about 24 years, 10 months ago

      In reply to Can’t install ’98 on AMD K6-III 450

      Delete the partition and reinstall it using FDISK. Then reformat the HD.

    • June 8, 2000 at 8:38 am #3894540

      Can’t install ’98 on AMD K6-III 450

      by calves · about 24 years, 10 months ago

      In reply to Can’t install ’98 on AMD K6-III 450

      You have some good answers here, but I would like to give you my version.
      What I would do is this:

      Using a Win98 BootDisk, Boot the system from the diskette, and use the following commands:

      fdisk /mbr
      then
      fdisk
      say yes to use the large disk capacity and preferably, say yes to use the total size of the disk.
      delete any existing partition, reboot, and do the above steps, except that now you’ll create a new partition.
      esc, esc until you reach the prompt.
      Reboot and go to the CMOS, select in boot sequence to boot from CD first.
      Insert the 98 CD into the CDR and boot, installation will boot from CD and Format your HD. From there on it should be smooth sailing.

      Good Luck!

    • June 8, 2000 at 9:56 am #3894512

      Can’t install ’98 on AMD K6-III 450

      by tomsal · about 24 years, 10 months ago

      In reply to Can’t install ’98 on AMD K6-III 450

      I don’t have anything new to offer you because the first answer posted is exactly what I would have you do as well. I just thought I’d back up that guy’s answer to re-enforce its validity for you – I am a systems engineer.

      What that first guy (sorry I forgot his name) said will basically let you know if its a mobo problem, since once you disable all cache your mobo is just a connector for all the parts to talk to each other, and little more.

      Fdisking and a format, after all said instructions are done should help you out. Keep in mind that AMDs have a bad rep for overheating and becoming unstable as a result, so ensure that there is adequate fan coverage.

      take care.

    • June 8, 2000 at 2:19 pm #3894433

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      by mckaytech · about 24 years, 10 months ago

      In reply to Can’t install ’98 on AMD K6-III 450

      You’ve received some excellent answers from a technical perspective. Personally, I think you have a defective motherboard and, as a result, I have a little bit different take on this situation.

      Yes, you could do all the things suggested but should you have to? By my definition, a motherboard/CPU that requires all these tweaks just to load a plain vanilla OS is a defective component and should be returned to the vendor for one that works. From a pragmatic standpoint, if this is what it takes just to get going, what are the chances that it’s going to result in a stable system. I mean, this guy is your friend, right?

      I would probably try one last install on a fresh partition but then it would be off to the vendor to negotiate a replacement.

      paul

    • June 8, 2000 at 6:22 pm #3776432

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      by hugevlad · about 24 years, 10 months ago

      In reply to Can’t install ’98 on AMD K6-III 450

      Check CPU`s temperature. May be you need to tune cooler`s speed or simply replace cooler.
      Try to run some comprehensive CPU tests (boot-up your PC from floppy).
      Is that problem appears when you try to install other operating system (Linux, for example) ?

      With best regards,
      Vlad.

    • June 9, 2000 at 2:45 am #3776292

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      by mark.tassin · about 24 years, 10 months ago

      In reply to Can’t install ’98 on AMD K6-III 450

      I had a similar problem with a K6-II 450.
      The solution at least for me was to get the latest BIOS from the manufacturer of the Motherboard and update the motherboard. It turned out that the motherboard had the latest BIOS, but by reflashing it allof the “Whiny Teen” problems dissappeared. Which lead me to believe that the BIOS flashed onto the board at the manufacturer didn’t properly flash on.

    • June 9, 2000 at 5:04 am #3776215

      Can’t install ’98 on AMD K6-III 450

      by blknyt · about 24 years, 10 months ago

      In reply to Can’t install ’98 on AMD K6-III 450

      HI scotts,

      I have run into this problem mucho times at the shop where I work (as a tech). The only way to fix this that I have found, and it’s not much of a fix, is to clock the cpu down to about 300. We have tried many other things but it seems to be an AMD problem because it happens with several kinds of mainboards. You probably were trying to upgrade to a faster machine and this may end up actually being a downgrade. You may want to try Intel next time as your CPU. We’ve found that there are much less problems with their cpu’s and the celerons are a good answer for people with a tight budget.

      CJ

    • June 11, 2000 at 3:40 am #3777627

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      by shane · about 24 years, 10 months ago

      In reply to Can’t install ’98 on AMD K6-III 450

      Just wanted to say that the AMD ‘problem’ mentioned in answer #8 is not an AMD problem but a Microsoft problem. It only occurs with Windows 95 and NOT Windows 98. If you have Win95 and you upgrade to an AMD processor faster than 350 you can clock itdown to 300 and install the Win98 and then clock it back up to the max. In my experience with AMD as a system builder, I wouldn’t even think of going with Intel, because all of the systems that I have built with AMD will compete with any Intel machine of the same rated speed (and at a much better price).

    • June 12, 2000 at 3:55 pm #3778565

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      by jun1cez1 · about 24 years, 10 months ago

      In reply to Can’t install ’98 on AMD K6-III 450

      The only suggestion i will give you is replace the ALTON mobo, i worked twice on that mobo and failed twice, with 7 years of building and rebuilding PCs behind me, and i dont want to get too technical now.
      ALTON MOTHERBOARDs NO. 1 PROBLEM IS THEIR MOTHERBOARD ITSELF.

    • June 15, 2000 at 8:29 am #3776609

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      by austinlim · about 24 years, 10 months ago

      In reply to Can’t install ’98 on AMD K6-III 450

      There is another way to do it.
      Install win95 first than upgrade to win98.

    • June 20, 2000 at 3:56 am #3785090

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      by tedbovis · about 24 years, 10 months ago

      In reply to Can’t install ’98 on AMD K6-III 450

      You have two people who have given this answer but it’s the right one! so I’m giving it again, you keep the points though or give them to one of the others cause I ain’t saying anything new!
      I had an AMD K62-400 which gave exactly this problem, thesolution was to clock down the processor, onto a 66Mhz bus and nothing higher at something around 300 mark and then install 95 or 98, once it’s installed clock that baby up untill it burns or at least untill windows refuses to boot! Forget all the other stuff about harware my opinion is that it’s just the CPU clocked up. only Microsoft knows what the win9x install is doing to cause this problem!

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