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Carly and her golden 21mil parachute

By silvioandpauly ·
OK - so how do I explain business to my college kid. Carly Fiorina is 'let go', cause she didn't do the job she promised.

She got a nice salary, and as a parting 'gift', 21 million dollars.

Most of the rest of us are lucky to get 1 week of pay for every year we worked - if laid off. If we're fired, it's 'hasta la vista baby'.

How do you explain that?

PS - how many jobs could HP have kept in the US, for that salary plus $21 mil?

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Explain business to my college kid?????

by maxwell edison In reply to Carly and her golden 21mi ...

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Hopefully, by the time a person gets to College, he can think for himself and study a subject sufficiently enough to explain it himself -- even if he disagrees with it.

If my college aged son or daughter asked me why........, I would ask, you tell me?

Now an exception might be if I had an MBA or something. But I have a feeling you don't have an MBA or any business degree, and that you criticize "big business" in general, or else you wouldn't have asked such a question.

Hint: Maybe it had something to do with the contract Hewlett Packard entered into with her six years ago.

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breech of contract

by mrafrohead In reply to Explain business to my co ...

man, they shoulda canned her long ago.

I really can't tell you a single good thing that she did for that company.

Their customer service is beyond horrible, I can tell you that I will NEVER EVER buy from HP after having do do business with them about two years ago.

They tanked and I think that she's mostly responsible for it.

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Why such a harsh reply?

by amcol In reply to Explain business to my co ...

Your condescending post is the reason I'm giving serious thought to moving on to another board, having spent a couple of very unsatisfying months on this one.

What's the point of jumping all over the poster? I thought I'd be communicating with adult professionals on this board, people who could manage to act with a minimum amount of decorum. There's no way half of some of the nonsense I've seen in too many postings would be said in a business meeting, or in a face to face discussion. Why do it here?

I'm especially mystified because according to your own profile you're at an executive level. Is this how you talk to your subordinates? Your peers? Your management? Your temps? Your contractors? Your family? Anybody? Why do it here? Because you're anonymous, perhaps?

I agree it's a somewhat naive question. OK, how about offering some constructive criticism or an answer that doesn't make YOU appear to be an arrogant jerk?

I come to this board, and others like it, to learn something. To add to the collective body of knowledge. To see what other people are thinking. To engage in constructive interplay. I don't have time for nonsense. Do you? Yet you and other posters like you make us waste our time reading things I'd sooner expect to see on uncensored_frat_boys.com.

It's not for me to judge. Do whatever you want. Which is just what I intend to do...elsewhere.

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What's harsh about it? Blunt, yes - Harsh, no

by maxwell edison In reply to Why such a harsh reply?

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Sure, it might be a little pointed, but so what? I would probably call it blunt instead of harsh.

Point one: College isn't so someone can go home to daddy to ask about business. College is to get someone to think on his own based on his own study and research. The whole premise of the question sounded strange, and I'm rather skeptical of it for a variety of reasons.

Point two: Anyone who understands the first thing about business knows that CEOs in that kind of position go into it with a long-term contract complete with stock options and buy-out details.

Point three: The tone of the question appeared as though it wasn't really intended to seek an answer, but rather to complain about "big bad business". Quite frankly, I think people who constantly complain about how bad big business is doesn't deserve a polite answer since they usually are looking for reinforcement.

If you think my answer makes me sound like an arrogant jerk, I don't really care.

If you really want to see a "jerk of an answer", look at these (posted by the very person who asked the question):

http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=163681&messageID=1678161

(Real "professional", isn't it?)

http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=166332&start=0

(Stupid users? I hate it when support people call users "stupid.)

http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=166273&messageID=1700147

(How's that for class -- or lack thereof?)

http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=163476&messageID=1676555

(And a "blame America" type guy to boot.)

Actually, the guy deserved a "harsh" answer, but I pulled back a bit and just gave him "pointed". If I wanted to be harsh, we all would have known it.

Hey, bottom line, he asked a question, and I answered it.

You wanted "constructive criticism"? Well, that's exactly what he got; it was somewhat critical, and since the question was answered, it was indeed constructive.

But if, as you said, "It's not for you to judge", then why did you?

("Arrogant jerk" is not "judging"?)

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Point taken

by amcol In reply to What's harsh about it? Bl ...

My apologies.

I wasn't aware of this particular poster's previous track record. Thanks for the information, which changes my perspective.

Knowing that now, frankly I would have responded in a similar fashion (and have in other threads, probably even worse). Respect is earned...so is disrespect, and in this case I can't argue with how you handled it.

As I said, your profile indicates you're at an executive level, as am I. I believe those of us who have achieved a certain station in life and have the gray hair and scars to prove it should set an example for the younger and less experienced.

However, without doubt, with some of the trolls on this board sometimes it's just clobberin' time.

I made a mistake. Again, my apologies.

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Hey - no need. . . .

by maxwell edison In reply to Point taken

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...for apologies. And don't go away either. Even though some of us (yes, myself included) sometimes let certain passions or frustrations spill over into our messages, in the long run, and on balance, most of the people around here are pretty decent. You'd be surprised at some of the messages I might read and want to unload on someone, but I just move on. (Or to see the messages I might read and really DO unload.)

Also, there are some messages I might post that might sound harsh or mean on the surface to bystanders, but the person for whom it was posted would recognize sarcasm or some friendly ribbing based on a history of conversing back and forth (but this was not one of those), and someone else gets offended. Oh well, it comes with the cyber-territory.

Tone and intent are almost impossible to get across in these messages, especially considering the wide range of nationalities, experience, education, tolerance for humor or sarcasm, etc. No matter how hard someone might try, somebody might take something the wrong way. So I suppose I don't even try to please everyone, so to speak, but rather just speak my mind and just let the cyber-chips fall where they may. Most of the time they stack up alright, but other times....

Anyway, no problem. As someone else ponted out in another thread recently, I can take it as well as I can give it. And I never take such things too seriously.

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Big man on the board?

by silvioandpauly In reply to What's harsh about it? Bl ...

Let me guess - you're a pointy-head who enjoys putting others down or in thier place. Maybe you're one of those insecure people who rely on their pay, Beemer, $4.00 Starbucks, and other things to make them feel good?

And about the MBA - not impressed dude. Research has shown that most millionaires don't even possess one.

You're right about the post - it was meant more to discuss than anything, since nobody else commented. And the question was asked by my HS son. Take a chill pill dude - were you loved by your parents?

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Well Gee Whiz

by maxwell edison In reply to Big man on the board?

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I guess you put me in my place, didn't you?

But you did confirmed my suspicions about the nature of your message - disingenuous and dishonest.

Pass the pill, please.

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Girls...

by mrafrohead In reply to Well Gee Whiz

Stop pulling each others hair, or you'll both have to spend the afternoon in the corner with your "amcol", I mean "dunce" caps on... ;p

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What exactly is your major malfunction???

by mrafrohead In reply to Why such a harsh reply?

Amcol, you really, REALLY need to chill out.

"There's no way half of some of the nonsense I've seen in too many postings would be said in a business meeting, or in a face to face discussion."

Speaking for myself only, yes, what I say you would hear in a face to face discussion, actually how I am here is quite toned down.

Board meetings are a whole other thing, but this is NOT board room.

"Is this how you talk to your subordinates? Your peers? Your management? Your temps? Your contractors? Your family? Anybody? Why do it here? Because you're anonymous, perhaps?"

This is how we are, how you see all of us here respond. It's how and who we are.

Speaking for myself, here's some answers.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, because it's how I am. Not at all, refer to the last answer.

"OK, how about offering some constructive criticism or an answer that doesn't make YOU appear to be an arrogant jerk?"

Look at your post, dude, you come in here acting holier than thou. Get over it. You're no better than anyone else, stop acting like it. If you can't handle how real people are in the real world, then pull up your skirt and go home. Grow some skin man. Buck up!

"I come to this board, and others like it, to learn something. To add to the collective body of knowledge. To see what other people are thinking. To engage in constructive interplay."

As do we all.

"I don't have time for nonsense."

Nor do we, but we do all have personalities, which is what you are seeing and coming across. We aren't the borg. We don't belong to a collective where we are all the same. You are dealing with different people from different areas coming from different walks of life that all have something in common. computers.

"Yet you and other posters like you make us waste our time reading things I'd sooner expect to see on uncensored_frat_boys.com." + "Your condescending post is the reason I'm giving serious thought to moving on to another board, having spent a couple of very unsatisfying months on this one." + "It's not for me to judge. Do whatever you want. Which is just what I intend to do...elsewhere."

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Good Ridance!

Love,
Mrafrohead

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