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By Robotech ·
Is it the money, or is there some logic behind CISCO's decision to have people do an exam every three years to keep their certification current? (Two years for CCIE)


Before, someone could keep their CCNA certification for six years before redoing the exam, now they say 3 years. THAT'S CRAZY!!

For someone at the Associate level, let's say a Network Admin, LAN technology doesn't change much over 3 years, much less WAN. At least not nowadays anyway. Look how long it took Gigabit Ethernet to make its way into the market, and even then some people still build their fiber network on 10/100 technology. I know, I designed a 10/100 and a 10/100/1000 network and the client chose the 10/100 because there just wasn't a need for the latter.

I think certification fees, books etc. is creating a little industry in itself that is fattening itself on people's need to be certified.

I think a CCNA cert should last five years and CCNP - four years. CCIE should last forever, but the holder of a CCIE would be required to do an exam based solely on new technology every three years or they will lose their certification.


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by Andy_Ex-UK In reply to CISCO MUST BE CRAZY!!!!!

I just passed my CCNA a couple of weeks ago, and I'm not concerned that it will only last for three years. I know I can recerify by just passing the INCD exam, or any CCNP exam, and I expect to be a CCNP within the next three years anyway. To work in the computer/network field you need to be committed to constant study and research anyway.

Of course, it could just be that Cisco has dollar signs in its eyes :)

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Good For You

by Robotech In reply to Crazy?

A friend of mine just went to a job interview yesterday, this is like a HUGE step up from what he's doing right now(from 3 Servers to 60!!). He was interviewed by 7 persons, and not one person asked him about certifications. They didn't even care. What they asked him was, can you do this? Can you do that? How would you handle this? Have you ever done that before?
I manage the CISCO routers where he currently works, and all I have is an MCP in Win2K Professional.
The CCNA certification originally lasted 6 years, what, did they make a mistake at the beginning?
No one who goes through the trouble of getting CISCO certified is likely to forget anything in three years, and the technological advances do not warrant recertification in 3 years.
The economy is not encouraging tech spending, companies are not running out to buy new technology, they are even less willing to pay for an employee's certification when it doesn't change how the employee does his/her job.
I once told a client I was Microsoft certified, and their response was: 'I don't care what certification you have, as long as this thing is running I'm happy.'
If CISCO continues with this nonsense, then certifications are going to loose their value. A certification shows that the person has been working with the technology for at least nine months, you don't get certified and then find a job, though it can also work that way. Certification exams deal with real life situations and how to handle them. That's why at my friend's interview no one cared about certs, only experience.
I think CISCO is trying to raise money because tech spending is down. They are also getting stiff competition from companies like ADTRAN and D-LINK that have web based interfaces, and their hardware is cheaper and just as good. Not to mention the web interfaces which make configuration a snap (no pun intended). No more encap frame-relay, just point and click. FUNCTIONALITY and SIMPLICITY, that's what counts.
If Cisco doesn't adapt by lowering it's prices and providing free web interfaces for all it's products, it's going to continue to loose a huge market share. I just did a fiber network with D-LINK hardware because the customer was not willing to spend the money on a Cisco based network, and guess what? It's running fine, no problems.

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Recerts are good

by uofM In reply to Good For You

Actually, they don't make that much money on the tests and certs. Its mostly handled by the testing agencies (that's why even Cisco employees have to pay for tests). But thats not the issues. As for recerts, if you ARE getting a cert because that's what you do everyday, there shouldn't be too much studying that you need to do (at least not enough to make it an issue with your family). Recertification is a way to ensure that those who have them are not stagnant in terms of technology.

And sinced you mentioned CCNA and MCSE, both of these are vendor based, which makes it more important for them to 'expire' certs. They want to ensure that these experts are on top of the technology, AND the products.

As for your customer that's using D-Link. Good for him if that's all he needs. But some larger organizations rather pay more for the support as well as enhanced features that the larger vendors such as Cisco offers. To each their own.

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I agree, I see no problem with this..

by TomSal In reply to Recerts are good

As someone who's been in networking for a few years and is finally getting the paper (Cisco) to back up the experience, I see nothing in the slightest that is wrong with a 3 year re-cert cycle. In fact I think its kinda cool, as I think it adds a little bit more value to Cisco certs.

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Wihtout a doubt

by young_devildog In reply to I agree, I see no problem ...

I am in the currently in the process to ceritfy CCNA. I am doing it to increase career opportunities and income. Now it seems that the extra money I'll get I will be giving it back to Cisco in re-certifying. I belive in keeping current with your cert. But every 3 years. This is rediculous.

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What is the difference, really?

by johnnywatt In reply to Good For You

I would have to say certifications DO make an impact on both resumes and current position within an organization. I've seen it first hand. You shouldn?t be disgruntled about re-certifying in 3 years. This does add value to your CCNA title.
I have to laugh about your comment on managing Cisco Routers. Managing Cisco routers are easy. When the WAN goes down, reboot the router. Still not up? Call your Circuit provider. That?s about it. Now, configuring, programming, enhancing and implementing Cisco solutions is another ball game.
D-LINK is a great manufacturer of appliances; especially for a SOHO solution, but I can?t see a comparison to Cisco in technology and network service. If you grabbed a CCNA or Cisco manual and compared that to a D-Link manual I think you would see. And, if I may say, Cisco is rock hard and you pay for that.

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I Agree Man.

by duangdaouk In reply to CISCO MUST BE CRAZY!!!!!

Yes I agree with you so much,People think you do these exams in 2 weeks?CCNP should be 5 years,After I get my CCNP I'm not gonna take my CCNP again only CCNA.

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I agree with Robotech

by secure_lockdown In reply to CISCO MUST BE CRAZY!!!!!

if the technology/products aren't changing, why have to re-cert on them.

fyi - with MCSE, they don't expire. you just aren't certed in the latest product. thats all.

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by uofM In reply to I agree with Robotech

I think that's the issue here.. while the underlying technology may not have changed much, the products are changing... and the certification that is in question here is Cisco. While there may not have been a lot of change in IPv4. The cisco products have a lot more features now than even 2 years ago. So as a technical or associate that is supposed to know the product, you really need to be certified every few years.

And to Robotech's question regarding this, if you indeed have not forgotten anything. What's the harm in taking another test? It really shouldn't take too much time, my CCNA test took 10 mins. The only thing is money - and you're company should be forking that. Otherwise, why are you getting it then?

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Paper techs suck...

by kgbkele In reply to CISCO MUST BE CRAZY!!!!!

I am sick and tired of fixing stuff for these paper techs who get hired by an HR person for the job. Certifications are ok however, 50% should be real world experience and not some guy tinkering in his bedroom... just my opinion.

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