Clueless in Seattle

Two places I never want to go to:
Seattle and California.
Crazy morons bent on their own enforcing their own insane ideas on the rest of civilized society. I would love it if LA did sink into the ocean and all the California coastline with it. Freaks.

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Oz Media caught spewing a pound of Lies - Priceless.

obviously havign read the first post there is a clear indication that I understand what the process was.

Technically they did 'order' him arrested, but it is up to Canada's own court to decide whether to execute that order I suppose.

But even though you decided to pin point wordking in one comment, it doesn't make your comment accurate. Many people have used the term order and THAT is your defense about pepoe's complaints.

It's like when people talk about Bush and say he said XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX whatever, you will instantly say he didn't and ask fo rthat specific quote, not realizing that it still doesn't change his reaction.actions but just the words he used.

You aren't defending or describing events, just digging into the wording used as if that excuses the event itself.

I am referring to the raids, when the US court ORDERED his arrest, this then means tat Canada must take ti to court, as I explained they did, and then have the RCMP make arrests.

YOU are now pointing to a PORTION of one (out of three) articles provided that has nothing to do with ihs arrest at all. THat is referring to the RCMP's cooperation wit hthe DEA who were conducting the investigation that lead to his final arrest. My comment was regarding his arrest order that came after the events.

And who the hell are you talking to now? Can you not speak directly to people, or is that just too scary for you.

I didn't say, Max said ....., then MAx went and.....then Max always......I speak to YOU for som ereason, and yet you still don't understand a point or a word anyone says, it's such a miniature little mindset you show here. Perhaps like your core values, just some BS so that you don't have to think.

Hey, Oz,
you write "As a result of the arrests, people in Vancouver lined the sreet outside the seed bank and protest US police presence in Canada, though not a physical presence, they had ordered the arrest and this has infuriated many locals, who are already adamantly against US political actions."

Maybe I missed it in the thread, but why did the Candaian/local authorities submit to this request? Unless it was an action upholding a treaty, did the government "bend over forward" and just take it? Were they using it for political cover so they would not be seen in a bad light for arresting this guy on their own after a long time of ignoring his behavior?

It seems to me that if they wanted, the Canadian gov't or local police could have told whatever US agency was involved to get bent.

I'm sure there is a significant portion of the Canadian population (my mom-in-law for one) who are glad the arrest was made because of their personal feeling about drug use.

You also state "The guy that sells the guns may be breaking a law in some countries, but he is not a murderer unless he uses them to kill someone." How can you compare guns to something dangerous like pot??? ;)

What happens to him in Canada is fair game, it has nothing to do with this whatsoever.

NO I don't think the Canadian government is without fault at all, I have never said as much in all the time I've been here.

I have never supported Canada's political decisions, perhaps onceor twice, but I don't think our government is good and yours is bad. The difference is, I can admit, accept and understand that we have a joke for a government, unilke people who simply refuse to acept any flaw or issue with eth US government, no matter how blatant.

As for ordered you're right the 'tone' does change, and that 'tone' (aren't we reading here, or do we now hear tone in messages?) should have helped understand what was behind the comment. Canadians didn't order his arrest, they would have completely ignored the issue. It was upon America's 'request', 'recommendation', 'overbearing suggestion', or yes, order that Canada then dragged it through court and issued his arrest.

I am also not the only person who has said that here, so I guess OTHER people do see it as being ordered by the USA.

BUT, the terms used there are so irrelevant it REALLY doesn't matter. Max just likes to make something out of nothing when he is forced to try and think. (My turn for some third party flaming).

And toiterate how irrelevant Max's comments are, I don't think EVERYONE in the US knows that they are nuts in Seattle and California". I have actually found some of the nicest Am"ericans I've met in the Seattle area.

But you said EVERYONE knows, and that's just a lie, proving how you spin the truth.

Pretty stupid reply that doesn't address your issue at all, I guess that's my point regarding Max's comments.

As you collect my comments, that I don't really smoke anymore, a puff or two with people on occasion but not as a rule. You missed the entire point, sorry, you IGNORED as always, the entire point behind the comment itself as you simply cannot provide a reasonable answer, as someone else had predicted above before you posted here.

When in a corner Republicans seem to cower and think they are hiding. "Maybe it'll just go away"

How about addressing the object of people's comments here. Instead you start running off on me being a stoner? How stupid.

Marc Emery runs for mayor and that's no big deal, how many times has your name been on the ballot?

And you comments completely diregards the fact that it IS relevant that he ran for mayor, we are discussing someone's community profile and community voice here, so just RUNNING makes you a well known voice and advocate for the people. My comment supported my point very well, yours had no point at all.

I am not insulted, I didn't claim Marc Emery spoke for me or that (as you claim about Bush) I believe everything he says before I'll believe anything else.

I don't praise Marc Emery, I just noted that your comments proved you have absolutely no idea at all what you are talking about. There isn't one ounce of valididty or common sense shownin your argument and you are just typing for the reson of flaming someone. You are SO transparent and simple minded sometimes.

Why bring unbiased logic into this? It is much more interesting to hear how the US NEVER co-operates with Canada and then turns around and treats it like a whipping boy.

Yes, we all know that the entire contenent works together to fight the flow of drugs and has for a long time.

Yes, we all know that just because something isn't inforced in Canada has no bearing on if it will be enforced in other countries.

Are you sure your REALLY Canadian James? ;\

What about the free market?

What about the failure of the War on Drugs as a failure of the command economy strategy of a "sin tax"? Why, in this case, is it OK for the government to decide what's fun and what isn't? Who does not get to decide how to pursue their own happiness, in MaxLand?

Don't make a rule that diminishes liberty more than it protects it.

Whose liberty, whose rights are advanced by this insane "War on Drugs"?

Sober folks? Sorry, they are at risk of drive-by shootings [i]only[/i] because the prices of a few intoxicants are inflated by government interference in a market that worked without violence when it was governed only by the Invisible Hand. It's admittedly a small risk for people who live in a "safe neighborhood, I'll grant, but whatever risk is involved is [i]entirely created[/i] by the DEA's interference in a phenomenon they have now proven for 30 years to be unable to deter in any way but to shift popularity from one drug to another. That is not progress.

...nearly as badly as wars on drugs kill people.

I condone any non-violent protest against the retarded DEA.

Have been made more than clear here on more occasions than I can possibly begin to remember.

My stand is that I do not have Canada's government in my face, if I did ,I would complain.

I do not have Britain's government in my face, if I did, I would complain and in that case even vote against it (I can vote in England not here though).

I have also never suggested Canada or Britains government is not a corrupt institution with nothing but thier own best interests in mind. Though Canada's government does actually bow to the people when they make noise and they consider indivuduals protests publicly, (they don't usher them away as we saw with people wearing political t-shirts at the wrong conference).

In this case, I have mentioned how Ottowa has bent over for the US, but they alwasys do that and I wouldn't stand behind them when I find them wrong. Unlike US 'Patriots' who would never second guess or question a political move if they supported the party as a whole, or even th eperson as an individual. It's not ALL shite, som eif it's good, and we see some good from ALL parties, we just need to be more critical of our governments overstepping thie rboundaries. Which in your case seems to be anywhere they choose to be involved.

In contrast, YOUR government has always been relatively cool and has stayed out of my face/business, for the most part, exceptions like 9/11 etc I can accept of course as I also did Canada's participation (which is currently getting pretty nast yas violence is on the rise).

Ever since GWB has been in office, your government made it's issues EVERYONE else's issues. My country was flamed, my country of origin was flamed your government has been nothing but hostile and inconsiderate of the rest of your allies.

The reason it BOTHERS me though, is because all I see day and night on TV, in the papers etc., is American politics that I strongly oppose.

I do not support GWB's policies, his policies are in my face daily.

Canadian politics is pretty quiet and internal for th emost part, it's just another bunch of suits in an office, as is England's. I have to go out of my way to keep abreast on British politics, you have to search to even find much going on in Canadian politics, but US politics is everywhere. At least 40% of my $100/mo of TV is US BS.

It's in my face so I am in yours, if you wish to debate these issues of course.

You said he was a "small and insignificant pot smoker."

I merely took that opportunity to prove some of the impact he has had on a specific (large) society that supports him. How he is known across the country etc. This validates his arrest as being one of example and one that is noticed throught the country.

[b]Therefore he is not a "small and insignificatn pot smoker" as you so claim, because he isn't in your face everyday as you would expect a strong voice to be.

If I had hailed him as a hero, I think I would have probably offered him more merits to begin with.

I know you are just trying SO hard to push that comment back at me, because you have proven that you idolize the BUsh Administration and the Grand Pooh Bah to boot, all hail the great Bush and all that. I haven't sung such praises for Emery at all, I have voiced an oposition to the US investigating a crime in Canada and then calling for his arrest and extradition over something like selling POT seeds!

Don't you have a war in Iraq to deal with or something?

And don't tell me that you can be multiple places at once, because that is making the whole US focus appear very thin, they can't be everywhere and focused accordingly on every problem simultaneously.

Anyhow, I couldn't give a crap about what you think today, really.

I just signed a killer deal and I'm moving again to seek bigger and better things, not too happy about that part but it's worth it.

As I have said before, I completely understand cooperation between forces, epsecially in a case of a multinational drug ring or murder case.

But this is just the DEA launching an investigation in Canada and then requesting a Canadian search and arrest warrant followed by extradition for POT SEEDS.

I just can't explain how politically wrong such cooperation can seem. This is an issue with US drug operations that have many such outlets for the product around the world. Marc Emery was a statement by the police alowed by the crown, that was really 'crossing the line' that's all. When these cooperative agreements are first imposed, this is the lax use of it that people fear and oppose. As I said, next thong they'll be arresting some poor pisssed off kid in Montreal for his website suggesting people jaywalk.

In a great deal of your posts you will pull out a GWB snyde remark that has nothing to do with the case.

I hear about how Candians don't follow politics, yet you follow US politics. You know what I do? Turn the channel when something comes on that I don't want to watch.

I hear all the time about US company did this or that. Much of the timber is controlled by the Japanise and the EU.

Not all ships that dump are US, but that is the only country you complain about doing it.

You complain because I would ask why your coast guard isn't guarding your coasts, enforcing your laws. That is what government is for. Cops, military, coast guard. That is what they do and that is their purpose.

Something happened that has you out on a limb, and it puts more into your posts than I think you realize. There is much more to the over-generalizing of anti-republican is anti-american.

I try to stay calm, and rational in my replys to you and USUALLY I think I do. Sometimes I hit the submit instead of the close window, but I don't think it is that much at this point in my life.

I don't agree with everything you say. I don't have to. This doesn't make me right or wrong anymore than it does you. I do think you have been more emotional than logical lately, but what do I know?

No matter how wrong you are, I have no bad feelings towards you. I just don't understand all the hate sometimes. (unless it is aimed at my soon-to-be-EX-wife)

Have you started taking your laptop to the pub again? ;\

I have mentioned that this is not JUST a US issue, I have explained that it is found in Vancouver habour all the time frominternational cruise ships.

But the cruise ship companies aren't proposing opening a new terminal in ANWR that would increase the vast volume of ships and spills.

My focus is on US ships because the US is looking to expand that industry, one which the coast guard cannot currently keep on top of, or any other coast guard around the world for that matter, this happens everywhere, but THEY aren't trying to increase that volume, the US oil industry is.

The oil industry has Bush in thie rpocket and he is responsible for American actions, he chose the career, if it was Joe Blow, I'd have it out on him. It's not the person in THIS CASE, as much as it is the power that allows it to continue and those who lobby for it.

As for changing the channel, I've heard that one before and actually listed a list of channels. Out of about 60, almost everyone was a US network or affiliate network. WIth about 4 Canadian channels and some multicultural stuff tossed on top. It is mostly US crap though, don't get me wrong, I love to kick back and giggle to a stupid sit com once ina while. Although it's mostly crap, it is entertainment when wanted and you have to get all teh BS networks in order to get the few channels I do want un a tiered system(Discovery, A&E etc.)

Yes I know you have an opinion and you are entitled to it, I certainly wouldn't expect you to CHANGE your opinion becauseI think otherwise, but often people need to see more than one side and possibly find information they did not know whenforming thie rinitila opinion

My main point here is that teh Bunker oil is SUPPOSED to be dumped t aauthorized stations, this is a law around teh globe. IN MANY cases, people are NOT obeying th elaws and it is happening so that the coast guard cannot stop it as it is, increasing that volume will only increase the problem, and the problem is HERE, RIGHT HERE.

Yuo have hundred of thousands of police in America, why haven't they stopped the drug trade yet? WHy aren't they doing thier job?

Because they simply can't be everywhere at the same time, but they still stop a great deal of crime. The US won't decriminalize weed because it fears an increase in uncontrolable crimes or something, it's the same thing here. We already have waste and simply can't keep up, we don't need more.

Though it's a hell of a lot easier to travel North across the border than South these days. Once you get here, you may be stuck for a while so make it a good one.

Just don't do anything crazy, or we'll ship you back. And believe me, you don't want to be standing around while some suit with a broken marriage goes in full fist in the search for greens. ;)

These guns are bought legally in the US, and then smuggled across the border illegally into Canada, where they find their way into the hands of criminals. So there isn't a US law to enforce.

The problem is highlighted by a rash of shootings in Toronto this week. Overall crime stats are down, but shootings are up. Check out the Toronto Star website for more info.

And I am not in favour of the gun registry in Canada, because that will only track people who buy guns legally, and thats not where the problems are.

James

"Go Leafs Go!!"

I've sat back and read the vitriol spewed forth in this thread without too much comment, but now you've gone too far.

GO HABS, GO!!!!!!!!!!!

or Bush will ask for $80 billion to fight the War on Drugs, and invade Canada! :(

Too bad they closed down that 300' border tunnel! It was kind of clever. Even made it onto Daily Show

If you search for marijuana seed sales you will get all the other 'dealers' too.
They range in the $200.00 range per packet, which is based on ssquare meters of plant and apporximate yield per packet. Avg. seems to be abour 400- 450 grams indoor and 500 grams outdoor.

He also sells hydroponic equipment, which is completely legal here and there are MANY hydroponic stores that cater to the indoor grower of 'household plants and vegetables" Some of these store in upscale areas too. There is a LOT of money it as is his books and guides, bongs and pipes etc.

It's a big trade. But now lets look at th guy who buys $1000 worth of seeds.

Emery makes a portion of that, after expenses are removed of course. $1000 would be about 5 packets or 2500 grams of marijuana is worth about $37,000 if sold in small quntity on the street. So a big grow op, unvesting many thousands in seeds could be looking at returns upwards of a quarter million. And yet they focus on Emery's income instead of those distributin a clutivated bud to the kids on the street and earning immense sums for 60 days work.

Even Emery's webite clearly stated that seeds were Canadian and Dutch. Again, why isn't anyone raiding a store in Amsterdam, love to see how well that would go over. And they actually have legalized smoke there, so these guys are facing less of a sentence than Emery.

Emery's site is shut down, with a few links to other stories on how the BC Marijuana Party decries a loss of sovereignity, a discussion forum about the raids, and updates available on tha Cannabis Culture website (Emery's magazine).

They also encourage people to call local authorities and provide the phone numbers for the Mayors Office, The Vancouver Police and The Vancouver Sun newspaper (a very high profile paper that always supports Emery)as well as a link colecting donations for Emery's legal fund, as always.

They are also having a rally of defiance that advertises free weed for attendees. It WILL be sizeable!
http://www.emeryseeds.com/

The registry is a simple cash grab for the government. People often fail to realize that procedures only apply to those who follow them.

As for gun smuggling from the US, believe me, most of these guns are coming back with Canadians and not from US citizens. The original exchange is handled with the Americans, but WE bring the guns back for the most part.

;)

[b][u][i]LEAFS[/i][/u][/b]

Now, I suppose you'll bring up the cup thing?!?! You guys always bring up the cup thing.

I have to hand it to you though - I know some hab fans who have switched it up over the past few years - no loyalty. I've been a Leafs fan since I could walk - back before the John Brophy days - man - you know I'm in for the long haul.

When I was younger, my mom's ex dropped a good 40 bucks on some Montreal pj's for me straight from the Forum back in the early 80's. They stayed in the package for at least 5 years before we got rid of them. Nice try buddy.

I just saw buddy's Dallas post on the hockey thread. It just justified his earlier comments over here. Now I understand where he is coming from.

Emery will be allowed to return to his Hastings street 'bookstore' and resume political activities as leader of teh B.C.Marijuana party.

Aw hell, I may as well try and offer the key points, the article was pretty long.

[b]Canada is being forced to fight the US war on drugs on it's own soil says the BC Civil liberties Assn.[/b]

Murray Mollard, BCCLA executive director says the treaty bind the hands of Canadian Law enforcement and the courts.

"Clearly there's a real appetite here for treating drug issues differently that the Americans" Mollard said "And yet we find ourselves being bound by having to facilitate a war on drugs that the majority of Canadians don't want to persue"

Almost seven ou of 10 Canadians support the marijuana decriminalization according to a recent poll by Canada SES Research.

IN a city where councillors back progressive drug policies, Emery's arrest has prompted local politicians to question the role of the police.

"I can think of a lot worse problems in the city that need attention from the police."MPA Coun. Sam Sullivan says.

And Emery's lawyer questioned why his client had never been charged locally before.
"For nine years (Emery has) been doing this quite openly and they've done nothing about it."

Emery was granted $50,000 bail, although the Crown has asked he remain in custody, arguing the 47-year old was likely to re-offend. Emery will be allowed to return to work at his Hastings street bookstore and resume political activity as the leader of teh BC Marihuana Party. Emery's next court appearance is in late August.

So the problem being debated is that Vancouver POlice were directly involved in this case to enforce a law that 70% of Canadians do not oppose. This is considered a complete waste of our resources in order to satisfy a US war on drugs, THAT is the key issue being puched now.

It's a waste of OUR time and OUR taxpayers money.

I've met growers of hemp -its perfectly legal (in Canada not sure about US) because the THC content is extremely low. But you would be extremely naive to think that thats what he was selling.

I can state that it was criminal because it is a crime in the US to sell or distribute pot seeds in the US. I am sure Marc knew that or ought to have known.

James

it's actually the male plant that the rope and clothing is made from.
the female is the one that has the high thc content.
the thc is used to catch the pollen from the male to make seeds.

we all know that Marc is selling plants bred for high thc content. but if the females were being destroyed then the end user wasn't growing for the narcotics use.
( not likely.. but possible )

at 1000 an acre to license from Candaian government to grow legal hemp crops it ain't a cheap crop.

but the return is about 20 thousand an acre so it does pay well.

If Hillary Clinton was right about: "It takes a village to raise a child." And your (Oz) is right that Bush is the idiot of the state of atleast Texas. Then we can correlate that it took the entire global village to raise this idiot; to a new hieght at the very least.

As for Cuba. It does seem rather un-Christian of him to not lift an embargo against another "Christian" country now doesn't it? Of course the official stance is "Athiest" but I have never meet an Athiest Cuban. There are many here in Chicago as well.

Ahhh... to be a hypocrite and still feel good about ones mixed morals.

- beads

BC politicians are FOR conservative drug laws, BC COURTS are for conservative drug laws.

Our people, 7 out of 10 are FOR conservative drug laws and don't knock the recent decriminalization at all.

So the problem is, due to this agreement between our nations, our LEGAL hands are bound, the courts and those enforcing the laws, when they are bein gpaid by taxpayers.

They are FORCED/OBLIGATED to act on the US behalf, thus WASTING our resources and undermining a major issue that supported decriminalization in the first place; the freeing up these resources for what the PEOPLE of Canada deem more imperative than a costly war on drugs that doesn't resolve any real problems.

As for HEMP seeds and the HEMP byproduct used for textiles and rope. Emery's store ALSO sells hemp clothing, as do two other related stores on the same block, he also sells books on how to create your own textiles from it and how to grow it for such uses.

OF COURSE there's the underlying abilty for someone to grow a stash and make millions that way too (thus makin gthem a far bigger criminal that would obtain these seeds through countless other outlets), we aren't completely unaware of this, but in Canada it has been the majority opinion that our tax money is better spent on more realistic solutions and policing our real problems instead. And that is a major issue behind Canadians feeling a los of sovereignity due to this binding agreement.

Decriminalization is not the real focus of the marijuana advocates though. IN the past, if you were caught, they'd give you aa stare (MAYBE) take it away and that would be that.

If you were caught with LARGE amounts, then it would be taken to court, though often thrown ou in no time and with little repercussion to teh offender.

IF they busted some guy selling dime bags on Hastings, he would be selling dime bags on Hastings later that day or the next morning after it was tossed out of court.

They can drag 'em off to jail, but they can't seem to find a judge to convict them. This cost the city MILLIONS each year, OUR money was being wasted.

NOW, they impose a HEFTY fine instead, so they don't have to waste court time, but most people would not bother paying it anyway. If push came to shove, a free lawyer would get you off on a minimal charge.

SO NOW they just stand to make money off the issue and it STILL hasn't been resolved. People are still facing fines and possible legal action (bench warrant for failing to pay it).

As for Canadian public opinion, a recent enws piece in Vancouver said recent studies show 7 in 10 in FAVOUR of decriminalization. Which is one step closer to legalization but if the city does make money, that wil never happen.

They aren't writing the tickets though, just telling people to take it elsewhere and away from people , if in public.

So, it's niether here nor there really, no legalization, no criminal charges, no tickets seem to be handed out. Nothing really changed, here anyway.

They guarantee female plants.

Or you can buy HEMP seeds and books on how to make your own hemp products, which is acceptable here.

Even small grow ops here are no big deal, people with a dozen or so plants are left alone.

We've decriminalized it to save our tax money from being wasted on a war on drugs we don't feel is needed. But now we are still bound to make these silly little arrests at teh expense of OUR tacpayers because another country thinks we should.

is what it really comes down to. It is up to the grower to drop the females early if he/she wants a very low THC content.

I'll admit though, Marc's seeds are rarely used for clothing and rope. BC Big Bud, Northern Lights, and AK 47 - thanks bud-eye - three of the strongest ropes in the world. So I've heard. ;)

As I've mentioned before, the government in Canada is relatively quiet and low key, but it does listen to the people and will seem to act for the people due to the way our parliment alllows a little more equal opinion beteen parties and thus represents a broader voice from several groups of supporters.

Canadian courts have been against drug laws and want more conservative laws, politicians and police feel the same way, thier time could be better spent on more harmful issues than pot.

The people of the country feel the same way, the entire country has a conservative vew of marijuana use and doesn't feel that citizens shouls be penalized. To this time, it has merely been decriminalization, not legalization yet.

But that made EVERYONE happy. So to see a man's arrest as per a US request based on stiffer drug laws and what is seen as a wasteful war on drugs, it doesn't sit well. Not with the people, not with the courts, not with the police and not with the politicians. BUT, we are BOUND by agreement that can be used in so many other very useful ways, and yet is wasted on senseless and USELESS issues such as this.

Absolutely, you are right; "Prohibiting harmless behavior only punishes harmless people."

Not a single death due to marijuana on record in history. Yet you (the US in general)support gun ownership?

From another of many different sources of info I've run across:

"The total number of deaths (in the USA) due to all the illegal drugs combined is about 4,500 people (2500, 2000 herion, marijuana 0). Now compare 4,500 deaths with the number of deaths due to prescription drugs, alcohol (which is about 80,000 people), tobacco, over-the-counter aspirin, and sidestream smoke. The total number of deaths due to these [b]legal[/b] drugs is well over 500,000 people -- every year. The multi-billion dollar drug war ignores the half-a-million deaths due to legal drugs and instead makes the illogical claim that 4,500 deaths due to illegal drugs justifies a multi-billion dollar shooting war."

Most of those guns ARE registered legally and owned by upstanding citizens of America who like a little sport.

Then some low-life breaks into thier home or car and steals it, smuggles it out the country, scrubs and and fences it. Then someclow-life from Canada, buys one, thanks the US and goes and shoots up a kid who resembles his highschool girlfriend that cheated on him at the prom.

So technically, a lot of the guns are registered, but the bottom feeding dregs of society will always find a way.

Edit: to be more inline with the topic;

That sawm lowlife that stole the gun, sells it to a Canadian drug dealer who shoots another drug dealer that is cornering his $400,000/yr enterprise. So then they go and arrest Marc Emery for selling the drug dealer the seeds. Hmmmmmm.

Fair enough, now go and do the same in Amsterdam and parts of South America too, the criminals sure as hell will.

What? are they pissed that they blew so much cash in Iraq, so they have to get others to waste some taxpayers money and take heat too?

It's just such a PATHETIC example of law enforcement,our tax dollars and international alliances at work. Very sad result.

Don't support terrorism! Buy home-grown and made American drugs!

I now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion flaming!

This could qualify as the Firday yuck, no?

Everyone knows that the Wings are going to take it AGAIN this year! :X

Been around too much decriminalized marydoyouwanna cigarettes or what? Maybe bumped your head? ;\

I wonder if you got a blood transfusion if we could "fix" the canadianism out of you? :^O

Was it Cheech ?

"Marydo youwanna?"
"Yeah, Marydoyouwanna!"

"Mary do you wanna take your mother to the GANGBANG, the gangbang...."

Wild hemp makes the best rope - period. Though illegal to grow in the United States after WW II its still available outside of the US. In fact it goes quite well on my farm in Michigan. Not to confuse anyone but I do live in Chicago for now but have a little 80 acres farm in Northern Michigan as well.

Other outstanding hemp facts (or what I really learned in college)

- Most of the signaturers of the Declaration of Independance, grew hemp!

- Washington and Jefferson also grew hemp! Though I doubt they'd want to smoke the stuff.

- Growing wild hemp was common in the midwest until after World War II primarily for War time rope usuage but can be used to make a study denim like material as well. I find hemp clothing to be a bit stiff myself.

Enjoy!

- beads

It's only because of the availability of red maple leaf patches, flags and stickers that any of us can travel to other continents at all! (and live to tell about it) Our country is known worldwide as the home of "people" like "Ben Damper Leto". It's always the noisiest ones that attract the most attention.

And whether you like Celine Deion (sic) or not, it is the United States fame factory that got her voice into every mall, radio playlist and Bar Mitzvah, not the Canadian lust for world supremacy.

Hemp clothing is for sale all over Vancouver. When it was first inroduced, and as you say, it was very stiff and itchy, much like a burlap...at first.

I have since seen dress shirts (of all colors), bikini's, pants, jackets, hats, DRINKS (yes they sell hemp iced tea etc.)etc.

the clothes now, you wouldn't tell from a dress shirt anywhere else, except it is much cooler while still being FAR more durable and longer wearing.

Times have changed, hemp is now a textile such as cotton or wool, it is more durable than other textiles, and MUCH more expenve too due to the very limited production and costs incurred.

..I was trolling for that one. I thought it would be good for a laugh. I guess that makes me no better. ;)

That was the 'definitive' response to this thread that I was expecting. Sorry. Heh.

I think that there are more Canadians who play for the Wings than the Leafs. The Wings have always had a huge Canadian roster.

I don't mind Detroit though. They're right on the border and part of the original six. The Wings were only second to Montreal as far as Leaf rivals were concerned when I was growing up, so I've a rich enough history with them to respect the organization as a REAL hockey team.

Though the southern teams have players who play for the game itself, I often question their fan base. Hell, it was cheaper to fly from Calgary to Tampa and back with room and board than to try to snag tickets in Alberta during the last cup.

Reading info from Washington State's Attorney's office I have found that the DEA had been taking his mail and photocopying the return addresses on the envelopes, though nothing has been sumitted to incriminate others of course. How they visisted the seed shop, bought some seeds and had some more shipped to the USA, when they asked Marc if he could set them up with a couple of ponds of marijuana, he said he didn't do that kind of thing and couldn't help them out. AWWWWWW. :(

But here's a comment that made me laugh, gee what's wrong with THIS picture?

"We are not going to turn a blind eye to Marc Emery's illegal multi-million dollar sales of marijuana seeds," said U.S. Attorney John McKay. "The grows that sprout from those seeds are often protected by armed criminals or rigged with lethal booby-traps. They do significant environmental damage, and fuel the organized crime and drug trade that destroys lives."

First of all, he blames the seeds for creating an denvironment where criminals in the US protect thier grow ops with guns or booby-traps. Uh, excuse me, sir...don't you think that the criminals would STILL be criminals without the seeds from Emery? Emery doesn't provide information on buildin gbooby traps and he doesn't tell them to buy a gun to protect thier crops.

Secondly, and this one slays me, "They do significant environmental damage"

Since when has anyone south of the Canadian border been concerned about environmental damage? If the US government was growing the weed, or if US companies were making millions, they would be defending it's environmental acceptability.

Again though: "...and fuel the organized crime and drug trade that destroys lives."

Where rock do they FIND these people under?

Another comment, can't find the page again now, was that they had FOUR drug ops that claimed they purchased seeds from Emery. So now, they are showing how they busted people but figure they'd go after the big guy instead? These US criminals, with guns and booby-traps apprently, have ratted out Emery as the source for ther seeds, being completely ignorant, the authorities feel that closing that seed shop will end the crime?

Just click on IE or Firefox and buy the next batch. It's not the seeds, it's the criminals that see they are used to make a dollar off of drug users, pot is often bought by crack heads etc as a 'come-down' drug. It relieves stomache cramping and helps the apptite that is lost from Heroin and Crack withdrawl between fixes.

Talk about barking up the wrong tree, these guys don't seem to have the slightest CLUE what they are doing.

Someone should arrest the DEA agents who investigated the case and have them infirmed for psychological evaluation, these people are obviously not sane enough to hold positions of authority.

While this webpage is an endless list of arguments, and offenses against the US machine, the last few paragraphs do make some interesting comments.

But if you have the time, wade through the rest, it really doesn't paint a great picture of the USA, but whilst it must be taken with a grain of salt, SOME will still find it fit to completely discount it as it is just so hard to believe that they MAY have been wrong or misled.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4473.html

Well too long for me to type out here, but here's the bulk of it and a link for the full interview.

After basic intrdoduction and explanation of what happened on the day of Emery's arrest he is asked;

[b][u]Interviewer:[/b][/u] What is your take on the DEA's investigation, in THIS country that lead to you being arrested.

[b][u]Emery;[/u][/b]

"Well that's a tradgedy that our policice have been co-opted, our politicians have been co-opted, by a goliath of a tyranny called the United States of America, under the Bush administration.
Our country is in GREAT danger of surrendering it's beautiful values of tolerance, of compassion, of reasonableness to a VERY unreasonable archipelago of goulag strung out across the United States. With a terrible dominator complex that cruelly imprisons tens of thousands of people for marijuana every year for terms of 5, 10, 15, 20 years; a friend of mine named Mike Smith in Oklahaoma was growing 200 plants and was sentenced to 30 years in jail last year. These are beyond the pale, this is no more legitimate than the people in the Republic of China getting imprisoned for life for practicing failing failing Gong (sp?), or people in countries of the world where they are put in jail for thier political point of view.

I am the most recognized and well known advocate for the civilisation of our marijuana laws, in the world and am targeted specifically because of that. THe DEA has admitted that this is the purpose for this whole persecution.

[b][u]Interviewer;[/b][/u] "But you must have known that there is an extradition treaty with the US as a mutual legal assitance and criminal matters act. and in addition, the DEA has been operating in Vancouver since 2002. Did you ever anticipate this might happen to you?"

[b][u]Emery:[/u][/b] Well, it's not so much that I anticipate the Americans would arrest me, I have cetainly always been willing to take my case before a Canadian court, for Canadian law. What cannot deter me however, is that my life, in the cosmic balance is not significant compared to the repression and suffering of millions of people, like me, around the world who rely on someone like me to provide hope, and the concept that one day we will be liberated from our bondage. And that this terrible pogram against us will end.

So ultimately then I may have ot be sacrificed then, although I would like to think that Canadians will come to my aid and rally to our cause and realize that our whole value system of being Canadian is at stake here and it is the politicians, perhaps, and our courts may sacrifice those values to appease an EVIL, EVIL organization called the United States of America's government."

[b][u]The interviewer asks;[/b][/u]
"What do you say to those who say you are breaking Americans laws and really flouting them, therefore you brought this upon yourself?

[b][u]Emery;[/b][/u]"I never thought of myself as breaking American laws CANDIDLY, I thought of myself as workin gwithin what was given to me task and approval, afterall, I gave $380,000 in personal income tax to the Canadian Revenuce Agency, which was split by teh Federal GOvernment of Canada and the British Columbia government, they KNEW it was for teh sale of marijuana seeds. It said on my income tax return, 'this is for teh sale of marijuana seeds, I am giving you this money. They KNEW that, I had many meetings with income tax and they were happy to take this money, they wer ehappy to admit that I had sold marijuana seeds, and they had no objection to it."

It's an 11 minute interview so I'll leave off there, here's a link if you wish to listen to it in it's entirety.

It certainly shows just how my MILD my dislike for the US government really is, when compared to a real Anti-US government voice and a VERY big voie for Canadians and millions of others around the world.

Your government is the CAUSE of much unrest around the world. It's not exactly the voice of reason or peace.

Comments have included, [b]tyrannical, unreasonable achipelago of goulag, unreasonable and an EVIL, EVIL organization,[/b] later he says that the US administration is out to totally destroy us and our culture. There's more if you care to listen to the 11min. audio interview. It closes with a comment from a local caller who echoes many similar views supporting his arrest as provided here.

http://pot.tv/archive/view2.cgi?number=3913&redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.timmeehan.ca%2Fcbc-20050805-aih-emery.mp3

So the issue as it sits now, IF it manages to get through Canadian courts in less than two years, he will then appeal the Supreme Court f Canada, known to be very accepting of such charges. IF he is then finally etcadited to the USA, he will also have several appeals he can make there too.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4473.html

in case you didn't see it the first three times ;)

Thanks though Oz, that was a good read. I haven't seen anything of interest since last weekend when this thread was started. TR definitely needs more of this stuff. I've had my fill of tech discussions for a while now.

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Are we supposed to be impressed? What percentage of the vote did he get? My guess is no more than.....let's guess.....three-tenths of one percent or less. So that would mean that three-tenths of one percent of BCs dope smoking voters didn't forget to vote that day. Who cares? That's about as insignificant as it gets.

You say he's an educated man? Where did he get his degree? From Cheech and Chong Bong University? Did he even graduate from High School? And you suggest that he's "smarter than President Bush", who graduated from Yale University and received an MBA from Harvard? Oh really?

"I was always an anarchist in my classes, always bringing disorder to the teachers' design of order. I really didn't like my schooling.....I got midway through grade 12 and then quit school"
- Marc Emery

He's "politically aware", you say? And this is the guy who called for the abolition of the public school system? And called for banning all health-care for people over 70 -- IN CANADA -- saying they should just die!

And you said, "he is known across the country for his political ability". Only if you call getting arrested dozens of times "political ability".

And you said, "He is a man with a history of success."

"We had never made enough money to save any at Hemp BC.....We really worked hard to recover. Employees had pay cuts that went on for months, bills went way behind and our credit rating was trashed because we fell grievously behind on paying bills."
- Marc Emery

"After two years of living in Asia in search of Shangra-La, I had built this house.....I spent all my savings, $30,000.....I then lost $30,000 dollars. This led to a series of escalating events which caused me to completely run out of money."
- Marc Emery

You said he has, "an ability to make money".

But he can only make it by selling illegal stuff.

"He is a very respected member of the community", you say?

"I spat on one of the (Canadian) police officers, but I don't believe I assaulted him because there was no pain, no bleeding, no consequence."
- Marc Emery

I wonder if that Canadian police officer respects him?

"In a snit, a pout, I had come to the conclusion that Canadians weren't worth saving and that my effort was wasted on them."
- Marc Emery

Ooooookay.

You said, "If HE (Marc Emery) is a nutbag to you (because he calls it as e sees it), then you need to stop and think for a minute."

"I have often seen the future, and it has come to pass every single time. I have also seen visions of a greater, more beautiful future, and of other dimensions.....But that's not spiritual, I think it's from the incredible capacity of our brains to absorb ideas beyond the linear? other dimensions, other worlds, other concepts. I like Terence Mckenna's idea that aliens put mushrooms on the planet so we would have an easy means to communicate with other beings and other spirits out there, or other entities that exist in a more astral sense."
- Marc Emery (but he's not a nutbag -- yea, right.)

You claim he's not your hero, but you continue to sing his praises. Okay, whatever you say.

By the way, while you denounce me for my "new title, same issue" harping on my individual liberty stance, that's one area in which Marc Emery and I agree. That's the basis behind his vision and life's mission of legalizing marijuana. You have sure jumped on that bandwagon, but as for all the rest of it, you've criticized at every turn. We now know where your real priorities lie.

"I advocate the position of liberty, the position of justice, the position of non-violent freedom for all people to do what they want, to put in their body what they want, and to act in a manner that is suitable to them without interference from others, especially their government."
- Marc Emery

Gee, that could have been me who said that. The difference is that you support only Marc Emery's primary focus of legalizing marijuana, while I apply the philosophy consistently. But you would criticize me for saying it. How about now?

You claim he's not your hero, but you continue to sing his praises. Okay, whatever you say.

for anyone to claim that there are goulags in the US. For people who either have no clue as to history, or no concept of reality when they make a comparison like that.

A smart guy like you and you don't think that is just a little on the fringe to make a claim like that?

And if the WORLD thinks the US has goulags, then I have been giving them WAY too much credit as for being informed and general intelligence.

It is not a matter of examming myself to know if we have goulags in the US because I know that we don't.

Now as for the war on drugs, yes it has been a huge waste of time/money/lives. I have not argued that.

Do I think there is merit in trying to split hairs on if seeds that grow into a plant are a part of a plant? Smoke in the wind, and if I plant a seed for a plant I KNOW what I will get. If it is illegal, then don't do it or don't get caught.

If there is any merit to the charges, then he will end up in the US courts. If there isn't any then he will never get extradited. Any other claims are just so much rantings, unless you are going to tell me that the Canadian Government would extradite according to an agreement without following the terms for extradition?

Loopholes? That is his defense? There are only so many cracks you can slip through, before they get patched.

NOTE: this wasn't the DA from Michigan that brought the country of Canada to its knees, it was from Seattle. Or at least that is the way you are presenting this.

If he wins this will go a long ways towards furthering his adgenda. If he loses he will pay the price of fighting a system he doesn't believe in. Justifying him selling into the US because there are others that will also sell is lame and you know it. Justifying because of ansterdam is lame because they don't have the same extradition, do they? And it is LEGAL there. It isn't legal here or in Canada. (Or England?)

Don't throw me into the same group of anti's so causually. My arguemnets have always been, if there is a law, you follow it or pay the price if you CHOOSE to break that law. If you have laws that you don't enforce, you undermine ALL laws. Don't like a law, change that law.

As for Marc (and people know what I think of that name ;\ ) I didn't make any personal comments on this person that I knew only from your postings until you posted quotes of his showing he is a nutcase. Only a nutcase would think there are goulags in the US.

It isn't for the DA's to CHOOSE which laws to enforce. It is for Congress to WRITE laws. The DA's HAVE to enforce the laws until they are changed or repealed. You know how government works.

Tell us again, how this is all Bush's fault? After you learn MORE about the US, you will learn that the President doesn't make the rules, it is Congress. The President has a lot less to do with the running of the country than Congress does. Want someone to blame? Go to where the power is and HAS been. War on drugs? That is where to fight it. Bush will be gone in two years, but the same Congress will carry on, business as usuall.

This is not someone I would want my kids looking up to as a role model. Would you? If not, ask yourself why and how you can support him anyways?

If I became a dealer, I too could make a lot of money. If I got busted, I too could cry foul for the governments enforcing laws. I too could be a joke.

You can rest assured that the "quid Pro quo" for the DEA setting up in Vancouver and Toronto, and allowing the RCMP to have offices in the US is to increase the level of co-operation betwen the agencies to tackle these very problems.

I know I've complained about illegal guns coming in, but I read in the Toronto Star over the weekend that ATF is working with the RCMP on the issue, and the RCMP are happy with the progress.

I don't ever think two wrongs make a right.

And I think if Marc is going to send seeds to the US, he should be aware of the laws and criminal procedures in the US, and adjust his behaviour accordingly. If he only shipped to Canada, we wouldn't be having this chat.

James

It isn't like I can be a football or baseball fan and still root for the home team, now can I?

So what is a fella to do?

Gooooo Wings!

It really is a shame that they have us in the western division. I would MUCH rather watch us play the canuk teams! Not to mention, the games are on at a normal time! time zones are too big of a hassle when it comes to hockey.

But being VERY new as a fan, no, I don't know much about the teams or how they will stack up this year. Give a noobie a break! Better late than never, right?

I was makign the exact same point you've just attempted to make.

The problems WE address are problems with OUR borders, OUR security, OUR governmenty and OUR citizens.

The problems YOU address are OUR problems with OUR government, OUR security and OUR citizens.

See the difference?

YOU try and fix OUR (and others) problems because you dont like them, and you have no place in trying to do so.

WE try to fix our own problems and in the case of decriminalization that was one of our governments resolutions at the demand of the people.

You are tryign to fix your problems with organized crime, and gansters trying to protect thier drugs with guns, but you do it by launching an investigation and requesting OUR courts and OUR tax money is then spent seeing OUR citzen brought to the US for trial?

THat's the problem, we don't come there and start demanding that you arrest these gun owners so WE can put them on trial, with much more stringent guns laws here.

But as your last ppost really proves, you are more interested in someone else fix THIER problem than accepting that you have your own problems.

When IO m,entioned that and included issues that we have and how WE deal with these issues in our own country, your instant defense is to say that we need to address OUR problems.

MYOFB?

" I guess it shows the perspective some people actually have. "

In a 'nut'shell.

Yes, the government is wrong, and the people are right.

People who support the government are wrong, and people who support people are right.

Before you swallow Max's words like a hungry slut, nobodyt has claimed Marc is seen as a hero except Maxwell.

He is looked up to and supported because he supports people, and in Canada, people who support people are people who are supported.