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Compaq not accepting AGP card...

By eggdashure ·
Hello,

New to this forum. Thought I would get some ideas from you guys. Here goes.

Ok, to alleviate some confusion I'm working on a Compaq Presario S6000CL which has an open AGP port inside. I'm trying to install an ATI 9600 PRO for a friend that just wants a little graphics performance. I'm pretty sure the card is good, I pulled it from a functioning system recently and kept it in a static bag.

Prior to installation I checked the BIOS and the only options I have are AGP/Onboard or PCI. No way to disable onboard that I could find. So I proceeded with the installation, but when I fired up the system, it wasn't POSTing properly. The system usually starts with a burst of the system fan, then quiets down and POSTs. This time the fan stays zooming and nothing happens on screen or near as I can tell in the system either. So I pulled the card back out everything went on as normal.

Specs:
Compaq Presario S6000CL
AMD Athlon XP 2800+
512MB System RAM
Windows XP Pro
AGP:
ATI Radeon 9600 Pro 256MB Sapphire

Thanks,
Matt

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Maybe missed a jumper??

by mjd420nova In reply to Compaq not accepting AGP ...

There might be a jumper pin combination on the board to select the video. Consult the manual and doesn't that card require another power plugin too. Too much draw thru the MOBO can fry traces and pop capacitors. Do you notice any different smells with the AGP in place but it won't post. Something is shutting down the power supply.

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Didn't notice any jumpers for AGP...

by eggdashure In reply to Maybe missed a jumper??

I'll have to double check, but I didn't notice any jumpers related to the video system. The card doesn't have a separate power supply. Just for future reference I bummed around on Compaq's site and found an update for the BIOS and will try that and post my results in case this becomes an issue for someone else. =)

Matt

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I'm not sure that that Video Card will work with that computer

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to Compaq not accepting AGP ...

The HP Power Supplies are fairly marginal and running something that draws so much power can easily overload the existing PS.

I've had lots of problems when things have been added to the Presario's as the PS can't keep up with the demands placed on them.

Col

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Any idea what wattage that PS runs with?

by eggdashure In reply to I'm not sure that that Vi ...

I don't have the computer here to look at, and I suppose I could look it up on the net. However, my experience has been to look inside. HP/Compaqs don't tend to lend that info out easily, probably for this very reason. >=)

My guess would be 250watts as this card requires a minimum of 300watts. I think my friend would rather upgrade the whole system, than mess with the PS, even though a new PS would be much cheaper! LOL Go figure.

Thanks,
Matt

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Well Hal....

by JamesRL In reply to I'm not sure that that Vi ...

I had an HP Pavillion 540n with a 200 watt PSU and it ran with an ATI 9600 for years without incident, and the 540n had 2 optical drives to power too. The 9600 is not that demanding - draws all the power from the slot, no additional connectors.

Now the latest ATI AGP cards like the 1650 or 1950 require far more power.

James

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Definately the PSU

by MyLittleMansAnIdiot In reply to Well Hal....

No idea what the HPs specs were, but I'm suprised it was able to run a 9600 with a 200w PSU.

Check the PSU, you'll need more like a 450w supply to run the system into which you want to install that card. Spinning fans and no post errors with a black screen are classic symptoms of an underpowered system.

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Assumptions

by JamesRL In reply to Definately the PSU

The 9600 is not a demanding card the way that many current ones are today. Some didn't have fans.

Like I said mine ran just fine in a system with a 200 watt PSU. The MB for that system was an Asus board - custom for HP, 1.6 Ghz P4, 2 optical drives, floppy, 1 HD etc.

Ask George Ou about PSU requiements, or read some of the video card enthusiasts boards. Many are overstated by a pretty high factor. Using name brand PSUs also helps - many cheapies are somewhat optimistic in their ratings.

I've experienced running a top end card (x850 XT) in a system with a 300 watt PSU. Didn't have any power problems, but the board ran too hot for the case and I had thermal shutdowns when playing intense games(none for "normal" operations like web surfing)>

James

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Actually James this is one thing that George and I are adamant about

by HAL 9000 Moderator In reply to Assumptions

The quality of the PS is very important and is often over looked as unimportant. After all a PS is a PS isn't it?

Up until recently we did all of the repair work for HP locally where they couldn't manage a quick fix. That means that they would send a tech on site and if he couldn't fix the problem by changing parts we would end up with the unit to repair.

I remember one Compaq Evo that we got handed the Tech was sure that they had a PS Problem and had swapped 3 PS in the unit. It didn't even have anything overly hungry in the unit just 1 extra PCI Video Card 1 optical drive 1 HDD and the 1 floppy and a CPU Fan. I tended to agree with the first impressions and connected up a 300 W Antec PS and the unit worked perfectly without a hitch but the moment that we tried the Compaq PS it failed to boot. All that had been added to this one was an optical drive in the form of a CD Burner and the second Video Card for a Dual Display and that was only a 32 MEG PCI Card that was very frugal in it's power requirements otherwise it was original.

We ended up changing everything and it still wouldn't work which was at the least very frustrating and because of the fact that a propriety PS was fitted to this particular unit we where stuck with using HP Parts as the PS in this unit was triangular in shape so we where stuck with it. The moment that the Optical Drive was removed or unplugged it worked perfectly but plug in the CD Burner which was originally a Sony and it failed to post. We tried several different burners in the unit removed the second Video Card and put in a Video Splitter to minimize the power requirements and still had no joy with the HP supplied PS's. In the end I got one of HP's techs to grab as many PS as he could lay his hands on for this unit and we kept changing them over till we found one that worked with the current configuration.

Filling in the Warranty papers for that one was a nightmare and since then they have taken to doing these repairs In House by returning the problem ones to the Melbourne Head Office thankfully.

Col

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9600...

by eggdashure In reply to Assumptions

I agree, this card does have meager power requirements, but it does state in my documentation that it needs a minimum of 350Watts for "optimal" operation. Even though it doesn't have a fan, just passive cooling. But, after a bit more research into the system I am working with it already has one HD a DVD Drive and DVD Burner, floppy drive, and a zip drive. So it's already drawing more power than the system should be handling, through the 250Watts. Though, I think Compaq should have provided enough power for all the expansion spots they include with the system, but then again, it's a budget computer so no surprises. = )

Matt

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Compaq

by clarence.dember In reply to Compaq not accepting AGP ...

Use the pci bus option in the bios and install a pci bus video card.

Compaq boards are proprietary.

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