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Conventional Memory/Win98... need help.

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so i was on my windows 98 comp... i was just organizing some things, trying to delete some like photo shit and stuff...

eventually comp froze, so i restarted and my wallpaper loads then so does the main thing.

theres like the program thats always on, its explorer, but not internet. its like the CPU, cuz you end it and you freeze..

anyways so i see my wallpaper then a cmd box shows up titled "explorer" with the msdos symbol, and the msg that appears over it [making it so i cant click on anything] says,

"This program requires more conventional memory. Unload drivers or memory-residen programs that use conventional memory, or increase the value for minimum conventional memory in the programs memory properties sheet."

So ive been up all night trying to do stuff to get to windows and delete stuff and baby my Comp but i havent been successful..

so like if i need to edit config or autoexec or any other files i need exactly what im supposed to put and where..

possible to get some help?

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by older mycroft

It would help if you could post back with the contents of your system files [u]autoexec.bat[/u] and [u]config.sys[/u]

I suspect something has most likely happened to the "dos=high,umb" entry OR the positioning of the config.sys entries has been altered.

Without knowing what these two files contain I couldn't say more.

by jonmooney67

this is my CONFIG.SYS

device=C:\windows\himem.sys
dos=high
device=c:\windows\ifshlp
files=60
lastdrive=z
stacks=9,256
buffers=30
shell=c:\command.com /p
fcbs=4
device=c:\windows\setver.exe

AUTOEXEC.BAT is

@echo off
path=c:\c:\windows;c:\windows\command;
prompt= $P$G
path=%path%;c:\windows;c:\windows\system;c:\windows\command;
dos=high

and im gonna guess that your gonna wanna see my memory thing too, but i dont know how im gonna do that, cuz im on a laptop sitting in front of my sick comp... lol

by older mycroft

For this exercise anything I have [u]underlined[/u] you should delete, anything in [b]bold[/b] you should add, and anything in [i]italics[/i] you should relocate.

this is your CONFIG.SYS

device=C:\windows\himem.sys
[b]device=C:\windows\emm386.exe[/b]
dos=high[b],umb[/b]
device=c:\windows\ifshlp
files=[u]60[/u][b]50[/b]
lastdrive=z
stacks=9,256
buffers=[u]30[/u][b]15[/b] [i]move this line to below "files=..."[/i]
shell=c:\command.com /p
fcbs=4
device=c:\windows\setver.exe

AUTOEXEC.BAT is

@echo off
path=[u]c:\[/u]c:\windows;c:\windows\command;
prompt= $P$G
path=%path%;c:\windows;c:\windows\system;c:\windows\command;
dos=high[b],umb[/b]

I've managed to lose myself in standard compositor code, so I hope you can read this.

I'll correct it if it looks/reads wrong so hang on don't act on this post until I confirm it reads correctly. ;)

OK. You're good to go ! :)

by Former member

Before you do this, is it possible for you to up the memory on your system, that way your computer will have more system memory.
By the way how much memory has your system?.
If you can get hold of it "WIN98SE" is more suited for memory than the normal "WIN98".

Copied from:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/232558/EN-US/

Err Msg: Missing Himem.sys. Make sure that the file is in your Windows directory and that its location is correctly specified in your CONFIG.SYS file.
SYMPTOMS
When you try to load Windows, one of the following problems may occur:
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Windows stops responding (hangs) at the logo screen.
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Windows reports the following error message
Missing Make sure that the file is in your Windows directory and that its location is correctly specified in your CONFIG.SYS file.
where is a device such as HIMEM.SYS.

CAUSE
These problems can occur if you have added the NOAUTO parameter to the "DOS=" statement in the CONFIG.SYS file. For example:
DOS=HIGH,UMB,NOAUTO

This parameter can also cause your computer to hang at the first Setup reboot because IFSHLP.SYS is not loaded.

RESOLUTION
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Edit the Config.sys file and remove the NOAUTO parameter from the DOS= statement.

-or-
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Edit the Config.sys file and insert the required DEVICE= statements so that the necessary devices are loaded during startup. The required statements are as follows. Add these lines after the "DOS=HIGH,UMB,NoAuto" line:
Device=C:\Windows\Himem.Sys
Device=C:\Windows\iFSHLP.Sys
NOTE: If Windows is installed in a folder other than the Windows folder, adjust the two lines as necessary to list the folder in which Windows is installed.
For additional information about how to edit the Config.sys file, click the article number below to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:

MORE INFORMATION
You can modify the Config.sys and Autoexec.bat files by using the System Configuration Editor tool (Sysedit.exe) or in MS-DOS mode. To do this, view the steps in one of the following sections.

System Configuration Editor Tool
To modify the Autoexec.bat and Config.sys files in Windows 95 and Windows 98:
1.
Click Start, click Run, type sysedit in the Open box, and then click OK.
2.
On the Window menu, click either C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT or C:\CONFIG.SYS, depending on the file that you want to modify.
3.
After you make the changes to the file, click Save on the File menu, and then click Exit on the File menu.
4.
You must restart your computer before the changes to the Autoexec.bat or Config.sys files take effect.

MS-DOS Mode
To modify the Autoexec.bat and Config.sys files in MS-DOS mode:
1.
At the MS-DOS prompt, type edit autoexec.bat or edit config.sys depending on which file that you want to modify.
2.
After you make the changes you want, press ALT+F and then X. When you are prompted to save the changes press Y or ENTER.
3.
You must restart your computer before the changes to the Autoexec.bat or Config.sys files can take effect.

Please post back if you have anymore problems or questions.

by jonmooney67

so if this were your comp could you give me the 3 files i saw and what i should edit them too.

its hard to know whats goin on or to keep up mentally cuz i been at it all night, and so the parameter and stuff is just confusing..

do you think you could just copy/paste what i need? so i can try it. :o

by Former member

System Configuration Editor Tool
To modify the Autoexec.bat and Config.sys files in Windows 95 and Windows 98:
1.
Click Start, click Run, type sysedit in the Open box, and then click OK.
2.
On the Window menu, click C:\CONFIG.SYS. After this just go to "EXIT" to close the edit file. You will need to tell me what is on this line in this file, what ever you do DO NOT CHANGE ANYTHING. I just need to know what is on the many lines. Write them down and them re-post, so that ii can help you more.

by jonmooney67

move this line to below "files=..."

k what should i put there and where should i relocate it too??

by older mycroft

device=C:\windows\himem.sys
device=C:\windows\emm386.exe
dos=high,umb
device=c:\windows\ifshlp
files=50
buffers=15
lastdrive=z
stacks=9,256
shell=c:\command.com /p
fcbs=4
device=c:\windows\setver.exe

::::::::::

Understand now ?

by jonmooney67

but i cant even get windows to function....
my background loads and i hear the little sound it makes when its loading your desktop, but nothing else shows up...

by Former member

Your win98 disk?
If possible have you any dos disks?.
If your desktop is not loading properly then please if possible get another hdd and then when you have installed the new hdd you will need to load on your Windows disk and do a fresh install then you will be able to access your info from your old hdd. Sorry but this is the easy way for you.

Please post back if you have anymore problems or questions.

by jonmooney67

well all my comp has to do is operate explorer, im missing the win.com file but i have no disks so i dunno what i'll do

by Former member

I have put a link here for you.
This software does near all Windows. It not free but it will do the job, when done make sure you do a backup of your drive. I have Windows 98 SE but i will need to look for the code, if i do find the code are you interested in having it? It is not a copy but the original.

http://www.spotmau.com/products/package/full.htm?gclid=CMnk3_KtoZICFQxTQgoduVtQRA

Please post back if you have anymore problems or questions.

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