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What do you think about Jonathan Yarden's proposal that Microsoft should distribute Windows service packs on free CD-ROMs? How do you feel about Microsoft's idea to make software updates automatic? Share your comments about dealing with continuing worm attacks, as discussed in the Sept. 8 Internet Security Focus e-newsletter.

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My 2 pence worth.

by OI! In reply to Dealing with continuing w ...

I think Jonathan Yarden's proproposal that Microsoft should distribute Windows service packs on free CD-ROMs is a good idea as Mr.Gates' platform is full of holes. As for automatic software updates, well, I personaly get annoyed when my PC tries to connect to the web without my say so and my personal PC isn't worth much when it comes to surfing quickly so the extra unexpected bandwith would slow things down considerably.

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Jonathan Yarden's proposal

by wihang_bendre In reply to My 2 pence worth.

This will be a good idea for all with a very fast connection (typically a DSL or T1 similar one). Apart from the corporate connections, many home users still have a 56K modem connectivity and wih such humongous files (I mean MS patches), they will only end up paying more for the telephone bills and keep on curing MS (rightfully so).

I think MS should first get it's act together and once for all iron out each flavour of it's OS family, one at a time.

The patches shoul be in manageable chunks (not the ten GB plus variety). Ideally, they should have several different patches, for each vulnerability/hole in the OS and it's relatives clearly mentioning the type of security hole it secures. This way, a user can decide the most critical ones he/she needs and download only these rather than the whole encyclopedia.

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CD Rom handling too complex - Windows too complex

by techrepub In reply to Jonathan Yarden's proposa ...

I want to state to points:

MS can distribute CD ROMs with Service Packs. OK. But asking that every user searches for them, or receive automatically by mail and install it, is too much asked of the modal user. Going to the store is time consuming. Sending them by mail, is not reachable, for the simple reason nobody knows the post-address of all the Windows-computers.
So the proposition made, is no solution.

The reason why Windows is so weak for virusses is through its success. If I build an awfull operating system, I will not receive any bug exploit. Nobody will use it. Windows is powerfull and flexible. Powerfull and flexible make it difficult to make it secure.
On the other hand, less powerfull and less flexibility, require more support to the users. So, at Redmond, they have to find an equilibrium.

I agree that Windows contains a lot of tools nearly used, taking up memory, opening security wholes, etc. Experts complain if they are not available.

The problem is complex. Bugs are inevitable. Security wholes will pertain in every operating system. The most successfully, will be most open for attacks.

Would an OS OS (open source operating system) as solution? With OS OS we have the problem of collecting the fixes. Every version of an OS OS will be different, which will arise other problems. The widespread of virusses may be less, maybe. But the ease of use will loose.

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Free Service packs not the answer

by Brian Leach In reply to My 2 pence worth.

Gates and Company should spend its money researching better security!! This would eliminate the need for the CD's. Distribution of the CD's would make them untimely. How about hiring some of this malicious logic scriptors? I don't use half of the features of the new office products and would be willing to sacrifice the newest "time-saving" features to stop having to down load patches.

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Extra features

by Zulj In reply to Free Service packs not th ...

The problem is, no matter how sad it is, that people jump for extra features.

Just look at the number of big city dwellers driving in 4x4's that have never seen a dirt road in their lives.

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2p more from the UK

by Stevef In reply to My 2 pence worth.

I agree.
I have two networked PCs. One updated regularly with security fixes etc. The other not updated very often.
Both run ME, the first fails to close down almost daily, the other starts and closes quickly with never a problem. XP is better, but still not perfect and won't accept my hardware.

Microsoft have built a house of cards with Windows, on very rocky foundations.
They should distribute free fixes WorldWide!
We've paid our money now give us what we thought we were paying for - software that works properly.

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MicroTrash isn't the answer

by JimHM In reply to Dealing with continuing w ...

Microtrash isn't the answer - what makes you think they will patch all the holes - even with automatic updates. Those updates have caused major problems with applications..

The solution to worms - is an educated end user - and other software ...

Educated users and firewalls, closing ports, antivirus and not using MS Address books is the answer... Educate the home user on what ports are, why do you need them, how to turn them off, security, viruses - then add software on top of the education - zing its all good..

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MS might consider

by road-dog In reply to MicroTrash isn't the answ ...

two OS's
One secure without all the BS bells, whistles, and automatic crap

The other idiot proof that exchanges security for automation...

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Right on the money

by Oz_Media In reply to MicroTrash isn't the answ ...

I think that them sending out ??million CD's is NOT practical. By the time you get one, the virus/worm is obsolete. The idea is PREVENTATIVE medicine not see if we can send out these CD's in time.

As for them auto updating, they are obtrusive enough with them doing their own thing in the background. I say, **** on Microsoft, if they can't release a worth while OS, then they should leave the market and let the competent ones take care of it. How many more years will we actually except the worlds worst business practices from MS and help said company to retain a near market monopoly.

It's people that made Microsoft, cunsumers and businesses who have been fooled into thinking that it's the way to go. Isn't it also up to the consumer to STOP companies from producing crap and making millions off it? I just wish more people had an idea of what they are getting into when they buy a preinstalled MS OS with their box instead of making a choice based on their needs.

Taking the choice from the consumer has created a NEAR monopoly for Microsoft, it's F'ing pathetic!
And like sheep, lemmings, morons and conformists, we all run out and buy the NEXT paice of crap they produce. If it weren't for so many clients on Windoze OS's I wouldn't use it at all and would just stick with Linux.

phew, that feels better :-)

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ho de hum

by Nitrosoft In reply to Right on the money

I was just going to say the having read the article, perhaps you should all go to the microsoft website and order the free serveice pack CD's (Duh!) they already give away service packs for free, which all you microsoft haters, is a lot better than say redhat who release a crappy OS, (free or small cost) then ask you to pay them to update support and generally fix their efforts,
As far as educating users goes, most users are educated enough, and a lot of the comments here come from completly uneducated users, most of the ports exploited are open for a reason, SQL ports are open for SQL access, 135 is open for RPC and exchange functionality, it's OK for people to shout about how these should be blocked, but before shouting such things you should think about why they are there in the first place.
I'd say that automatic updates aren't too heavy for 56k users as the trickle download in the background, using only the bandwidth witch is otherwise unused. so wheres the problem?

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