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    Demoted without being demoted.. what next??

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    by obiwaynekenobi ·

    Hello all.. I never can seem to catch a break, huh? 🙂 Just out of the frying pan, and into the fire…

    Anyways, my current position was supposed to be a Network Administrator, which is the main reason I applied for the job in the first place (I’ve done support for about two years now, maybe a little more, and want to move up in IT). Anyways I’m STILL basically just doing helpdesk support work. I don’t even have permissions to half the things I should as an admin. TO make matters worse I’m expected to move furniture and if necessary run errands for the other people in the company (the old “It’s a small company, we help each other out” routine). I even was reprimanded for refusing to run out and get a bag of chips so the company could entertain some guests and told that if I didn’t want to do those things if asked, I should look for another job.

    TO make matters even WORSE, my title is now being changed from Network Administrator to Systems Support something-or-other. My salary isn’t being changed, but I feel like this is a total demotion; I would not have even applied for the job if I knew it was going to basically be tech support, but I wasn’t even told THAT until after I was hired. I’ve only been with this job a little over a month and already I’m starting to get burnt out with almost every other day being asked to move a desk or a file cabinet for someone and expected to immediatly do it as if it was my actual position.

    What should I do??

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    • #3053355

      Subtle Hint…?

      by jonathanpdx ·

      In reply to Demoted without being demoted.. what next??

      Perhaps that was a subtle hint that they’ve got you by the short hairs and you can darn well do as you’re told or you can get out. There seems to be a recurring theme on these discussion board regarding working for small companies. Besides, if their idea of entertaining is a bag of chips, I think I’d DEFINITELY be looking hard for another job ASAP. 🙂

      • #3053350

        as said above

        by longbow1 ·

        In reply to Subtle Hint…?

        I would start looking for a job asap. they say that the best time to look for a job is when u have a job.
        Either they are gently saying you to take what comes or move on or they are not seeing the value in the work you put in. It will be difficult and hard struggle to get back ur position. I would suggest u find another position.

    • #3053343

      Don’t worry about a job title

      by jkameleon ·

      In reply to Demoted without being demoted.. what next??

      Salary, hours, and ammount of work is all that matters.

      Occasionally, I’ve done things every typist could have done, so what. If some management moron wants to have the world’s most expensive typist, so be it. It’s their profits, not mine.

      • #3058195

        Lose the Attitude, Join the Company

        by wayne m. ·

        In reply to Don’t worry about a job title

        Respect needs to be earned.

        I’ll agree with jkameleon above and suggest that one’s first responsibility on joining a new company is to fit in. From my perspective, the company is giving the writer above every chance to fit in and he is not taking up the offer. I can see someone wondering, “If I cannot even depend upon so-and-so to help move a desk, how can I rely on him for something important?” Rather than being insulted by being asked to go out and get a bag of chips, one should consider that it may be an invitation to join the social culture of the company. In many companies, during the first month, one can expect to sit quietly at one’s desk and avoid giving any obvious indication that one has nothing to do. Sure, at first a lot of the tasks will be make-work, but remember, especially in a small company, they are still trying to figure out how to make one fit into the day-to-day workflow.

        As a supervisor, I have assinged task leads to help set up workstations for new staff. This does not reflect on the skills of the task leads, rather it is a way to get the task lead and new staff to work together and start to learn about each other.

        I read the description above and see a company that is reaching out to a new employee. The company has been living without the position up until now, so existing staff need to determine what tasks to give over to the new guy. Yes, the initial tasks may well be trivial, but they are an opportunity to become involved in the new company. Do the tasks given now with a smile and trust that this will open the door to greater responsibility in the future.

        • #3058084

          Yes, however…

          by tink! ·

          In reply to Lose the Attitude, Join the Company

          I agree with Wayne M. however, if the menial tasks continue after an extensive amount of time, I would make an appt to discuss the issue and the way you feel with your supervisor/boss. If after the discussion, they still do not seem to give you the respect that your position warrants, then consider looking for another job, (doing this while you’re still employed is of course, best financially).

          It really is up to you, based on how much you feel that certain tasks are beneath you. However, don’t hold yourself too high. All my IT positions started out as Admin Asst positions and even after I was IT dept manager, I’d still help with clerical duties (like receptioning in a pinch). As long as your main duties reflect your position, don’t be afraid to help out where your company may need you (including running out for things). Showing a willingness to help out wherever you may be able to, can really help your relationship with the company and/or executives.
          I’ve had a cpl of bosses who were more than willing to help me out of a personal bind because they knew I was an asset to the company…because I could and would do anything and everything.
          Tink

        • #3057925

          That’s the whole problem, though…

          by obiwaynekenobi ·

          In reply to Lose the Attitude, Join the Company

          The main point of my post wasn’t just random whining because I have to move things. I think it’s complete BS to EXPECT that from people without a second thought since it was NEVER mentioned in any job description but told to me AFTER I was hired.. it’s like if my friend who’s a police officer is told he has to fix computers if asked, even though it’s not at all part of the job he’s being paid to do. Anyways, I can live with it (Need the exercise/workout, anyway).

          The main point I was getting at was that I thought it was a network administrator position (and that was the ONLY reason I applied for the job), i.e. manage the entire network, only to find out that I’m pretty much a helpdesk tech, albeit paid more than most helpdesks I see; hell it’s not the money or even the work I do (because I don’t mind that really), it’s the fact that if the job had said “Support Technician” or “Helpdesk” or something like that I would NOT have even applied for it; it would not fit in with my own career goals; I’ve DONE helpdesk work for around two years (well, PC support/troubleshooting, at any rate), and I want to move UP in the world. I realize the whole pay your dues thing (don’t 100% agree with it since I believe that TALENT should be rewarded, regardless of experience, but that’s another debate) and I don’t mind that, but come on, as a manager would you really hire someone for one position and THEN tell them after they were hired that they’re not going to be doing that? If so, then no offense but I’m glad I don’t work under you.

        • #3072338

          No offense taken.

          by tink! ·

          In reply to That’s the whole problem, though…

          I manage machines, not people (which is the way I like it) since I AM the IT dept here.

          But I see your point. If they did not detail what your tasks were to be, or what they expect of you at the time of interviewing or hiring, than I would be miffed too. The “small company” bit works to a degree, but usually it is noted in the interview to make sure the hiree understands this beforehand.

          As well, I don’t think they should EXPECT such a degree of menial work out of you without showing some respect to your position. Such as they could approach you with “I know it’s not part of your job but since we don’t have anyone else could you help with…”

          When I reflect upon it, I realize that the jobs I was in where I worked basically everywhere even when my job title changed to IT, they still showed me the respect of my IT position. They didn’t treat me like a go-fer and order me to do tasks, but rather asked me if I had the time to.

          I think that if you do not feel your employer is showing you some degree of respect (especially if you ARE helping out), and making your feelings known to the employer doesn’t change anything, than seek a better employer to work for.
          Tink

        • #3072303

          I should add

          by tink! ·

          In reply to No offense taken.

          now that I think about it, I ended up leaving my last job because of similar treatment. I was the IT dept there too (for 5 years! and everything during that time was great..they treated me well) until they hired an experienced programmer to create an extensive DB for them. He was older than me and had management experience too. He had them hire a new tech with the excuse that they wanted to move me out of the “menial techie work” and into BETTER things. So the Graphic Designer left about the same time and I moved into her position, which soon after became obsolete. Which meant I ended up in Customer Service. Blech!
          My husband says it just shows that the new programmer was threatened by my abilities and basically forced me out. I really don’t know. I thought he was a nice guy, but then again I’ve never been in a corporate environment, I’m a small company kind of gal and could be naive to the workings of an alterior motive.
          Tink

    • #3072420

      Tuff call

      by jkaras ·

      In reply to Demoted without being demoted.. what next??

      I currently hold a Help Desk position. When originally given the opprotunity for the job their was more expectations and plans for the position to grow. The job is everything but major support and more minor and tasks like you stated. The truth is all jobs that I have applied for made promises of this, that, or the other for enticement. I’m sure you and everyone else embellished on your resume as to how much experience or job title when applying. The name of the game is getting the most out of the agreement.

      I understand your frustration, but if your collecting a decent paycheck and a resume booster like an admin title then who cares. Parlay that job after some time into something more towards your goals. If you cant stand the job, then start looking. I havent been in the industry too long but all has to pay their dues and my manager and supervisor also move equipment, pick up things for the office, build pcs, and many other things below their job title. You are a cog in the machine, not the gear that drives it, all jobs have the gray area. Dont think I am harping on you, just being honest as to what everyone deals with at any job. We all want the silver lining but we dont want to have to polish for it. I guess make your decision to stay or go based on a possible growth potential there for how long you planned on staying there before moving up. Every job is a stepping stone, employers and employees never want to admit it, either look short or long term. Good luck.

    • #3072334

      Just take the money.

      by dc guy ·

      In reply to Demoted without being demoted.. what next??

      If they’re paying you, your life is ok. If they’re paying you more than your job is worth, it seems like a strange thing to complain about.

      I understand that doing what seems like menial labor can be depressing, but it beats the heck out of poverty.

      Easy work with good pay or challenging work with less pay? I’ll take A. every time. I can always find something challenging to do in my spare time, as long as my job leaves me some spare time.

    • #3071125

      Well, it’s a moot point now

      by obiwaynekenobi ·

      In reply to Demoted without being demoted.. what next??

      Was let go today for not being “a good fit with the company”. Well, that’s life. Taught me a valuable lesson, though.. always make sure that the corporate culture fits in with YOU in addition to trying to fit in with it. Thanks for all the help, everyone!

      P.S. Question.. I only had this job for around 2 months.. should I even bother to list it on a resume?? Or would that just make a potential employer’s eyebrows raise because my past two jobs haven’t been for very long (previous one to this was 10 months…)

      • #3070958

        I wouldn’t

        by tink! ·

        In reply to Well, it’s a moot point now

        I think it would raise eyebrows and then you’d have to take the time to explain the situation, provided you’re given the time to.

        • #3045121

          Is it good or bad ??

          by cbalness ·

          In reply to I wouldn’t

          What looks worse though on the resume ??

          A 10 month job followed by a 2 month job, or a 10 month job followed by a 2 month gap in work experience ??

          I’m getting real sick of these reports saying the average employee is now going to change careers 4 times in his working life, gone forever are the days of actually finding a rewarding place and working there for 45 years. Suddenly this is now viewed as having no motivation and spending “too long” in one place appears now to be grounds enough to cut someone loose.

          I’ve worked at places and never really bothered to learn new employees names because it was pretty evident the kid was full of pi$$ and vinegar and really only wanted another line on his resume so probably wouldn’t be around when his probationary period ended.

        • #3199786

          it’s better…

          by techniquephreak ·

          In reply to Is it good or bad ??

          Not optimal, but a two month gap looks much better than only lasting for two months.

          And it’s not usually a problem with employees wanting to leave, to build their resumes and hop jobs. While this does occur from time to time, the main issue is that employers have no commitment to employees anymore. When your employer doesn’t look out for you, can eliminate your retirement program at will, etc., what’s to motivate someone to be a motivated lifer?

    • #3199853

      I feel your pain

      by blondie b ·

      In reply to Demoted without being demoted.. what next??

      I have read all the postings as I am going through a similar situation. It is very frustrating because you want to learn and feel useful and not have your self esteem dimished by getting these menial-tear-wrenching tasks.

      Everyone will tell you something different. I’ve thought about doing a complete switch of my career into the nursing field, but realize I don’t like needles, blood or diapers.

      I don’t know what I am going to do. I’m 27 and i have invested 7 years of my life so far, which seems too much to waste. I’m a system analyst but do a lot of ‘check lists.’

      My IT skills are average. I’m not a superstar that can fix the hardest problems like the others on my team. I also get a fair wage but that is not what it is about. It is about doing what you signed up for. I do agree it’s like being promished you get sushi for diner and the realize you only get McDonalds.

      Our backups run flawlessly, all major projects are over for now. But I still can’t help but feel that I get slighted by my bosses when it comes to project work because I am not ‘at the same level’ as the others. I have a boss that will pile all the work on 2 people rather then letting the weaker learn. He has admited this in the past.

      I guess, just know that there are others out there going throught he same thing even two years later. I have been looking for jobs in the town/city I am in but they are few and far in between and they also know this. I also do not have the luxury of just ‘up and leaving’ the city/town either.

      What my intentions are is to suck it up, do the best at the meinal tasks, and continue to look for work on the side. This way I can’t get a bad review.

      good luck!

    • #3283701

      Don’t bother

      by jkameleon ·

      In reply to Demoted without being demoted.. what next??

      > My salary isn’t being changed,

      . . . so what’s your problem?

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