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Do you know any one who has gone

By zlitocook ·
To another job because the IT field no longer pays enough?
I have friends that have gone in to sales, carpentry and real estate. And yes they are making allot more money then I make.
I stayed in the IT profession because I like it and I feel I make a positive impression on the people I help. I walked in to a great paying job, so I have no complaints. But what are your thoughts on the IT jobs and how it pays?
Do you think it is a good job to get in to?
I keep hearing that there is not enough IT people here in the US to fill the jobs but it seems that the companies are looking for cheap labor. And looking over seas to find the IT people they need. And do not want to use the people here in the US because we want a combative salary.

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IT is an addiction

by AV . In reply to Do you know any one who h ...

I don't know anyone that has walked away from IT. Once it is in your blood, you get hooked on it. I think its still a good paying field if you have the commitment and look for jobs outside of Corporate America. There are lots of smaller businesses that don't outsource.

Fortune 500 companies are great to work for because you get to learn so many different technologies, but if you want quality of life and job stability, small companies are where it's at.

Its still a great field in my opinion.

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Yes I love the IT field too

by zlitocook In reply to IT is an addiction

I was a IT contractor for five years and an full time employee for five more. I can work with stuff that others only say no to.
I thrive on change and learning how to use the new stuff, the job I have now is great for this reasion.

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Giving it a lot of thought

by Tig2 In reply to Do you know any one who h ...

I have been looking for a direct role for awhile now. There really isn't much out there.

I would not urge a person to go into the field. There are too many who are not making a decent living because they are trying to live in America on sub-standard wages.

I saw a job listing looking for someone with COBOL, C+ and C++, Mainframe, CICS, JVM, Unix, and Series/1 as a minimum. The person was required to have a degree in CS, preferably at the Masters level. The person had to be open to sudden re-location. They were offering the handsome range of $55,000 to $60,000 DOE.

The sad thing is that it wasn't a joke and the company really did need to hire those skill sets. They thought that the people from the company they were replacing would jump at the opportunity. They were wrong.

Of the people displaced in that fiasco, one is a happy stay at home Mom who does contract on the side, one is in real estate, another moved away, many others relocated with other businesses in the area. And some are still looking for work.

It has become an onion and the layers are frightening. I frequently hear from people inside companies that they are crying for resources and can't find them. I hear from the headhunters that they are trying to negotiate required skillsets but are stopped by vendor management systems. I hear from colleagues that Mc Donalds sounds better and better by the day.

I have a couple of options open that I won't know anything on until the first of the year. But yes, given a chance, I will jump ship.

Besides, I can play with my home network.

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That is the problem

by zlitocook In reply to Giving it a lot of though ...

I do not think it is out sourcing or our current IT people, it is allot of things. Starting with the 90's **** out of the dot com companies. People were paid obscene wages, cios got millions and retired.
Companies then hired the employees? from those companies, thinking they could be the same thing. But IT had become an every day word and IT people were looking for the next big pay off.
This never came and as companies looked for cheaper labor because the IT people here still wanted high wages. They started looking to contract companies, they gave a service but it was still a high priced service.
Then some companies, the big one's looked over seas and found that the over seas companies would give the same IT service for allot less then here in the US.
But there has been many problems with this, Time, knowledge about the country, language and other problems.
We need to get our people/kids to get back to learning about computers, and electronics.

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Left and came back

by mjd420nova In reply to Do you know any one who h ...

I departed IT for eight years, full time anyway. Yes, it gets in your blood. I departed in '94 to attend four children, but continued doing special projects, enough to pay the rent. Then came back full time for a small organization and head up the department. I still keep my hand in doing field work and special projects, but mostly supervise and handle individual customers personally as they wouldn't sign the contract otherwise. I still enjoy the work and still do a lot of hands on for barter and friends.

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yes people's are going

by mytech In reply to Do you know any one who h ...

i think IT field is not giving so much is only our interest which stops us in this field.i like it very much & i know hundreds of people in india &abroad which are working in this field due to their own interest & satisfaction.if we think abt money there is very competative the very starting ur job u can not get enough money.

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Supply and Demand

by jdmercha In reply to Do you know any one who h ...

It is basic economic theory. As the supply of IT workers increases, the pay scale goes down.

There is no shortage of IT workers in the US. There is a shortage of companies willing to train employees.

Most of the perceived shortage is with programmers. A good programer with a BS in CS and a couple years of experience with a couple of languages, should have no trouble picking up another language.

But since there are many unemployed programmers with multiple skills, and even more international people clammoring to get a job in the US, US companies can always find somebody, somewhere in the world with the skill set they need. And they don't have to spend money on training and they don't have to pay top dollar.

Still, IT is a better than average career. Wether it is a good field to get into depends entirely on the individual. It's better than retail, but not as good as financial advising.

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Where are you getting your statistics?

by SlappyMcnasty In reply to Supply and Demand

All the research I have seen points to an ever decreasing number of trained IT professionals. Colleges are enrolling fewer and fewer US citizens into technology. The last two companies I've worked for both suffered from the inability to find qualified workers and had to rely on contractors and out sourcing to fill needs.
Now that said, if you are a Java coder and are expecting 70k a year, you aren't worth it.

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The Work is There...

by mike In reply to Do you know any one who h ...

The IT industry has changed tremendously in the 20 years I have been involved in it, and there are some observations I have made.

First of all, it isn?t dead. There is a tremendous amount of work and employment opportunities out there. The job boards (Monster, Dice, Yahoo Hot Jobs, Career Journal, etc.) are full of opportunities.

I tend to see people stagnate within their company, yet that is quite different than a lack of opportunities within the industry. An old friend of mine once told me that if you aren?t changing employers every few years, you aren?t taking advantage of potential rapid professional growth. With some employers, that is a true statement because it is hard for them to see the person they hired as a LAN technician (or insert any other position here) working at higher levels. There is also sometimes unseen pay-scale barriers that employers have with employees; thresholds that force advancement to positions such as VP to achieve the pay the employee desires.

Other times, an employee stagnates themselves by failing to professionally grow each year. If somebody isn?t offering more value each year with additional skills or cost-savings to the company, the company shouldn?t feel obligated to move them up the ladder. I have witnessed some very smart people hang on to dead or low-end technologies because they liked working with them.

Even though I work at a high level, I constantly seek and learn new technologies, advanced communication skills, and anything else that increases my net-worth within the corporation. Like any other commodity, the more unique and valuable I can make myself, the more likely I am to be retained, promoted, or even work somewhere else should the need arise.

In Computerworld?s December 11th edition, they have an article entitled ?Seven Essential Ingredients? where they list the premier 100 employer?s top seven skills that are a must have. They include:

The Ability to Lead
The Capacity to Communicate
The Power to Plan
The Art of Diplomacy
A Mind for Money
A Talent for Technology
A Knowledge of Industry

Here is what most people miss- only one of the top seven skills hinge on technology itself. While in the past, a techie could get by with just good technical skills, all of these are required in today?s world to stand out and advance. Take some time to obtain and read the article, it?s good information.

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You Hit the Nail on the Head

by SlappyMcnasty In reply to The Work is There...

These seven skill should now make the foundation of any BS Comp Sci program.

Over the past 5 years I could go through a list of 50 perspective hires that I rejected due to the lack of one or most often several of these skills.

The days of advancing while playing the role of eccentric nerd computer guy are over!

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