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    Does anyone believe it’s possible to hide today?


    by jack-m ·

    With our names, birthdates, SS#, shopping history, online travels,etc. is it possible to disappear and reappear and work almost anywhere?
    Unless you’re willing to be homeless,
    live on handouts and under the table jobs, could someone drop off the radar. It’s not just the government. It’s your pharmacy,dentist’s office, landlord, grocery store, electronics stores ad nauseum. It’s 1984 and Big Brother is watching you 24/7.

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    • #3221126

      Yes, but why??

      by dawgit ·

      In reply to Does anyone believe it’s possible to hide today?

      There is also some good in this, it can be used to your advantage. Being a ‘nobody’ is not all that it seems either. The real point is how do ‘we’ prevent the abuse of this tech.?

      • #3220186

        My Concerns

        by jack-m ·

        In reply to Yes, but why??

        I remember when AOL, Prodigy and probably others reverse read HDD’s. If you visted a lot of accounting sites you suddenly saw accounting and/or popup ads, same with doctors, lawyers and indian chiefs. This was years ago and they were sued and ‘promised’ to stop. Now I wonder if they are selling my interests to whoever.(where’s my cut?) Actually I don’t wonder too much, I’m onvinced that in spite of disclaimers to the contrary it’s being done. Otherwise what’s the purpose of ‘tracking cookies’? I just plain don’t like it but see it as a necessary evil if I want the use of all the sites I visit.

    • #3221125

      Double post thingie

      by dawgit ·

      In reply to Does anyone believe it’s possible to hide today?

      I didn’t do that honest.!.

    • #3220555

      Osama bin Laden

      by john.a.wills ·

      In reply to Does anyone believe it’s possible to hide today?

      seems to be hiding pretty well.

      • #3220881


        by pivert ·

        In reply to Osama bin Laden

        The correct term is ‘digital shadow’. I don’t think it’s possible to hide. If you’re willing to hide in a cave and travel by donkey you have a small chance, otherwise forget it. And it’s not a question on ‘is it possible someone misuses this’, you can count on it being misused. Police is experimenting with clever camera’s: cameras that identify people and their behaviour.

        Sorry to disappoint you but we’re way past 1984 already. It’s just waiting until all systems interconnect. Probably with some ‘for the countries/peoples/individuals safety’-excuse. Oops, has been used already 🙁

        • #3220843

          Why do U want 2 hide

          by arcticmike2003 ·

          In reply to donkeys

          Obviously this issue isn’t about being hidden as much as it is about hiding something about ourselves that is not so appealing to others.

        • #3220833


          by francis.hernandez@caddell ·

          In reply to Why do U want 2 hide

          Having privacy is not the same as hiding something from public. What my wife and I do at home in our bedroom is not for public consumption, not that we’re hiding it.

        • #3220823

          Does it always have to be carried to the extreme?

          by eacote55 ·

          In reply to Naive

          I agree more with Mr. Morgan. It seems to me that the ones decrying the ability are the ones that DO have something to hide and I’m not talking about your Kama Sutra techniques. I believe it’s more the 80/20 rule, 80% of the time it would be used for the benefit of society as a whole, 20% it may be misused. Let’s debate it’s control on the 20% and applaud the 80%.

        • #3220804


          by locolobo ·

          In reply to Why do U want 2 hide

          I agree with Hernandez. I want my privacy. What I read, eat, or purchase is my business. As long as I’m not breaking the law.

          Consider this example. A few years ago a video went around the internet showing a couple copulating in the back of a sports arena during some kind of game. Did they do wrong? Absolutely! Did security have the right to film them? Yeh sure! But I think it was misuse to disperse this publicly. That is the problem. Even when the technology is being used correctly, it can be misused.



    • #3220835

      Yes it is possible to hide

      by bhalverson ·

      In reply to Does anyone believe it’s possible to hide today?

      Consider this: if the FBI and law enforcement are so empowered with technology, why do we still have serial killers and child molesters? I am not up on the current statistics, but if I recall correctly there are a couple dozen ACTIVE serial killers in the Midwest alone. We have Amber alerts, but if Big Brother technology worked, we would never get to that point.

      There is a whole lot of people out there that really shouldn’t be walking the same earth as people that are basically good. They are predators. But we don’t have the technology to stop them. Any public servant worth their salt would never pass up the opportunity to put a child rapist or killer behind bars if they had the capability.

      • #3220822

        False positive

        by t.rohner ·

        In reply to Yes it is possible to hide

        With all the data collected about our behaviour, expenses, travel and so on. You are lucky, if you are not suddenly surrounded by a swat team blasting your door away. So it may indeed be a good idea not to leave to many traces behind. With the current admin’s legal understanding, they put you away to gitmo before you say hello.

        • #3220807

          Some Secrecy is Good

          by sysadminii ·

          In reply to False positive

          I think the original question was centered more around that the average person does not have any privacy. The computer revolution was great in its own right, but use to, only a few select people had access to pertinent data, now the average 10 year old can sit down and find out information about your life from the point of inception to the end of time. I dont mind people looking at some of my background, but they dont need access to my SS#, birth certificate or bank account. I dont have anything to hide but I dont want to have to be searching the net everyday trying to see if my name has been posted on a list with my SS#, street address and what I had for breakfast a few hours ago.

        • #3220789

          There is too much technology watching us

          by sschafir ·

          In reply to Some Secrecy is Good

          Look around big cities there are cameras on the buildings. Stop lights have cameras so they can catch you going through red lights and increase revenue by sending you a ticket in the mail. There was even a case of where a guy got a ticket because he was using one of those speedpass devices on the turnpike and got a ticket because they clocked his time between 2 of the booths and determined he couldn’t have made it there without speeding. Amazing.

          There is nothing extreme about stating what goes on in a bedroom or anywhere else. If security cameras film something in public then it shouldn’t be posted on the internet. People are out of control with the Big Brother technology and there needs to be enforcable laws that have stiff monetary fines and jail time of at least 6 months non-negotiable for individuals and heavy fines for the companies that employ them. Corporate America needs to be held responsible too.

          OTOH, awhile ago I saw a show (I believe it was on Discovery or A&E) where a private investigator stated that for (I believe) $6000 he could make you disappear and come up with a whole new identity including job, SSN, driver’s license, etc.

      • #3220626

        Criminal Intent Bar Code

        by tuisiong ·

        In reply to Yes it is possible to hide

        Being able to track spending habits, living locations, veiwing habits etc still does not enable law enforcement bodies to confirm someone’s intent to commit a crime.
        I think if it gets to the point where technology allows the scanning of our intentions, we would cease to be human.

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