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While many everyday, socially acceptable words are asterisked out of existence in discussions, when I am waiting for a post to register I am confronted by a banner advertisement which glaringly asks:

"Does your job [b]suck[/b]?"

Personally I find that word -- in the context in which it is used here -- far more offensive and vulgar than many of the words which are excised from discussions. For example, jd was not allowed to use the word w_h_o_r_e which has been an acceptable word in the English language for centuries, with an etymology tracing it back to several old languages, including Latin.

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by dmambo

Any recipe consisting of pig's heart and liver is offensive enough!

Why two of the world's major religious groups couldn't even touch it. :)

Blecch!!

Enjoy!

by Member 25348569

are forbidden to eat a bacon sandwich. No god could be that cruel.

(That's an English Bacon Sandwich with proper back bacon and brown sauce and not that crispy crap served over your side that you can sharpen an edge onto. You [b]have[/b] to put lettuce and tomato with that stuff else you'll cut the inside of your mouth.)

You guys aren't big on offal are you?

Saute lambs kidneys with wild mushrooms...
Calves' liver and smoked back bacon...
Braised stuffed pigs hearts...
Steak and kidney pie...

The last one is too much. I've got to go and have lunch before I eat my keyboard.

by maecuff

is it wrong that I found that hilarious? Am I insensitive? Nope..my sister is gay and that doesn't bother me, so I guess it IS just funny. I don't know if I'd eat it or not.

as far as censorship goes..what makes the f*cking difference?

by old guy

No wonder it's hard to understand you guys sometimes. Eating stuff like that has to have some kind of terrible effect on a person. Yecchhh. :)

by Former member

very disgusting. what the hell are ya'll eating over there?

by Member 25348569

That was a recipe for something which, in UK terms, is pretty mild! Liver, hearts and fat pork simmered in gravy1 What's wrong with that?

Check out haggis. It's made from the bits of sheep that don't look like meat.

Full-on haggis has [b]everything[/b] in it.

http://www.smart.net/~tak/haggis.html#four

Weeny Americanised haggis has "normal" meat with just the liver added for flavour. It isn't even cooked in the stomach!

http://www.smart.net/~tak/haggis.html#one

Oh God! I've just realised that we might be eating one of Marky Marks old "friends"...

by jardinier

However both Tony Blair and John Howard got some mileage out of that joke when Blair addressed our parliament on March 27.

by gadgetgirl

couldn't resist, sorry.

And I wholeheartedly agree with you re the Ozzie Ad. My mum doesn't like it either. AND it has TWO swear words in it. Being strict chapel, d'you realise I was hauled over the coals by Ma at the age of 28 for actually saying "damn and blast" within her earshot?!!! :(

Jules - that word also makes me cringe, but for a totally different reason. The reason you find it offensive is not the word itself; it is the context in which it is used. With me, however, it reminds me when I was taking my friends little girl and my daughter out one day, not realising that my friends daughter transposed her "F's" with her "S's"..... :0

yup. she did. In the middle of the shopping centre, age 2, she screamed at the top of her voice that she "wanted a suck of her dummy..." :8}

Why doesn't a gaping great six foot hole open up and swallow you when you need it to?!

(Mae - I can hear you laughing from here! You were supposed to be sympathising!)

:D

GG

by dmambo

Now who on earth could he have been talking about with a word like that?

by jdclyde

I have no idea what he is going on about! (where is that blasted "innocent" emoicon when I need it??? X-( )

by jellimonsta

While I am not sure you should be allowed to use the 'innocent' emoticon JD, I do wonder why there is no 'angel'?
How hard would it be for them to create one when the 0 : ) are used in succession? 0:) would be a good 'innocent' emoticon in my opinion. :D

by dmambo

You do have an occasional misspelled word in your posts. I think I remember you once said something about not being sure of the location of your EX and you meant to type "my kids' mother is a-where?", but you just fat-fingered it.

by old guy

with my breakfast I'm eating... where is the vomit, uh emesis, basis or at least the emoticon????

by Member 25348569

My Dad used to make pig brawn, especially in the lead-up to Christmas, and when I was big enough to see over the top of the table he would let me help pick the bits of meat off the boiled head and pick the whiskers off with my little fingers.

Happy days!

by old guy

don't pass out or that the world doesn't stop but I agree with you completely on this one!!! :O

Ideally I wish there were a lot of words that weren't used in communication but there's going to be and I can dismiss them for myself. But I do agree sometimes it seems like there is a double standard.

by gadgetgirl

oooh. Did the world just stop for a second there?

Now.

I hope you all (y'all, sorry Mae!) mean this contextually. Because as a legitimate word, it's extremely useful. Go on, try it. Describe how to use a straw without using it. I mean, try explaining it to a youngster, in their language. Not technically, but in ways in which a youngster would understand.

Now.

Try doing that without using the word "suck"!!!

(ok, jd, ok - you can think of something other than a straw.......

ye gods. predictable.)

And while you're on, OG, do you have anything against the word "gay"? That has also rattled my cage, contextually. We have a dance here called the Gay Gordons......well, it used to be. I haven't danced it in years, as I think no-one knows what to call it anymore for fear of causing offence to homosexuals.

(sorry, if I offended, jd) (!)

]:)

GG

by old guy

Without going into depth on my personal views about homosexuality, yes, it does kind of stink that the word gay and rainbows signs have been twisted/turned into a totally different context and that yes, some people are afraid to uspset or offend the homosexual community. I'm not sure if you read the PC thead where I said something to the effect that I am tired of trying to be politically correct and someone said it sounded like I had PTSD-PC...

Does that answer your question without opening up a can of worms? ?:|

by jdclyde

so I can't tell them that you are actually lowering the atmospheric presure inside the straw, so that the greater pressure on the rest of the surface is greater and it actually pushes the liquid up the straw? Chemistry class was always one of my favs in school! :D Physical science was a close second.

As for "the word", as long as it is only performed by a womanm, there is absolutely nothing wrong it it and should actually be encouraged! B-)

( offending, not you too? :( I expect it from mae, but not you? :_| )

~~looks for broken heart emoicon~~

by jardinier

that in a post I just made to "Almost Friday Yuk" I used the VERY COMMON AND SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE PHRASE:
t_i_t for tat

and the friggin thing asterisked out t_i_t

The first definition given in a dictionary for this VILE, OBSCENE word is:

"any of various small songbirds esp. of the family Paridae."

by rob mekel

the * in the t_i_t for tat

But to humiliate/discriminate those lovely birds, shame on them ]:)

Rob

by jardinier

was because I had EDITED the post.

When it first came up the title was: *** for tat.

by gadgetgirl

boob for tat sounds all wrong, dunnit??!!

I had trouble when someone on here first asked my height.....I tried to reply with my normal answer, but had to put "just over five foot"....my normal reply contains the word "f*a*g"
i.e. five foot an' a f*a*g paper, meaning a cigarette paper.....

I'll just settle for being a short arse, then!

:D :p

GG

by stargazerr

words like boob and arse ...

Of course TR wont know about yada yada since they are happier with blah blah :D

]:)

Edit: [b]Rephrased[/b] ;\

by jardinier

Would you believe that several years ago I got so steamed up by the absurdity and constraints imposed by political correctness that I SERIOUSLY considered starting a political party called "The Politically Incorrect Party."

I called at the office of my local Federal member and asked his secretary the procedure for starting a political party. She and another staff member strongly advised me against starting a small independent party because it might be taken over and used by people with a different agenda.

This had already happened with the One Nation Party which had been set up by Pauline Hanson.

I was advised to join one of the major parties. Note [b]ONE[/b] of the major parties which I thought was pretty cool coming from the secretary of the Federal MP who resided over the second safest conservative seat in the country.

Well I joined the Labor Party but I am still on good terms with Dr Brendan Nelson MP and his staff despite us being on opposite sides of the political spectrum.

by old guy

would be enough of us at TR to start a World Politically Incorrect Party? I would be one of the first ones up!!!

by jdclyde

duration, my friend, is the name of the game.

:D

Hey GG, did I mention I used to be a long distance runner? ]:)

by Member 25348569

our Stateside friends have a bit of a cultural breast taboo and that's why t:t is asterisked out. Boob, I suspect, being not "American" is missed just like "Arse".

It's all a bit schitzophrenic, as well; topless bathing and public breast feeding are frowned upon yet their entertainment industry couldn't function without push-up bras and silicone enhancements (so long as you don't show the business end of the boob!!).

An example: a couple of years ago, Janet Jackson (nearly) flashed a nip in an obviously rehearsed "risque" accidental disrobing moment during the Superbowl and the public reaction was one of incandescent fury.

That wouldn't happen here. We have Page Three.

It [b]certainly[/b] wouldn't happen in Oz!

by alangeek

Yeah, this country (US) has some really screwed up priorities. Kids can play games or watch shows or movies that demonstrate hundreds of ways to maim, cripple, kill, mutilate, and dismember people, but heaven forbid they should catch a momentary glimpse of a backside or a breast, let alone two people caring for one another. Near-rape and violence are more tolerated even. What's wrong with people here?

by peter warren

As Colonel Kurtz said of we Americans in Vietnam -- They can burn women and children, but they can?t write the word f_u_c_k on their helmets. The unfortunate fact is that Christianity has been at war with the human body for a long, long time. And we wonder why so many of us are so screwed up.

by stargazerr

they miss ass too ... which is definately american. Oh did I say Ass?? I meant blah blah ;\

]:)

by m_a_r_k

Every mammal has tits. Every male of every mammal species has tits. Every female of every mammal species has tits. It's been that way for millions of years. It's a fact of life. Why would TR have a problem with this? No subhuman mammal would survive more than a few days after birth if tits didn't exist. Who does TR think they are for thinking they can change the laws of nature by expunging tits from every mammal?

by m_a_r_k

In reference to my previous post:

"***" = "t_i_t"

Udder nonsense. haha Get it... udder... t_i_t. :^0 I wonder if "udder" will also get nuked by the uptight TR censor.

by jdclyde

Do you call it breast feeding or t_t feeding? why? Because breast is not sexual or crude. t_t is intentionally both.

Will the world COME to an end if we see or say t_t? No, but the session might wrap up quicker if we do! ]:)

If you were having a discussion with more concervative people, which word would YOU choose to use? Your talking to your MOTHER, would you say breast or t_t? If NOT t_t, why?

That is the answer to your question and rant.

by stargazerr

and TR asterisked out a perfectly innocent word like competition [b]c_u_m[/b] fun

Well, innocent when I used it anyway .... :D

]:)

by m_a_r_k

A "breast" is commonly used to mean a person's chest. But not an animal's chest. A cow has teats/udders nowhere near its chest. You don't milk a cow's breasts. You milk its teats, aka t_i_t_s.

I guess I agree that spelling it as t_i_t may be construed as slightly offensive. And teat is probably the more biologically correct spelling. But if it sounds the same, how does anyone know if you're being rude and crude when referring to those glands?

by Member 25348569

She is a fine, broad-minded old lady. Were I discussing breastfeeding, that would be the word I used. When discussing, say, my cousin Jackie, one of the larger members of my family, I could not other than say "Our Jackie's t:ts are nearly coming out of her dress again - someone should tell her she's really a dress size 30 and not a 22" and Mum would agree with me (and not call me up for bad language).

Cultural differences, my man... :D

by gadgetgirl

please explain, in nice clear, concise English what is wrong with this sentence to OG

"I would be one of the first ones up!!!"

I know this is not the normal translatory service you provide, but under the circumstances, I think you should explain this to him, being a male, as he is.....I'd make him blush - again!

Cheers, marra!

:x

GG

by old guy

never mind. :8} I got it now. Gee you have to be specific with a sentence... ;\

by jdclyde

you are even being politically correct in your description about having to be politically correct.

These terms have been perverted and distorted.

Who knew that "The Flintstones" was a gay advocate group? :0

While running around calling someone a f4g is intentionally hateful, if the INTENT to offend is not there it just shows the ignorance of the offended to jump all over it.

I can't tell you how many times I have been called a stubborn german over the last three decades. I never too offense to this, because it was true. B-)

When you open a can of worms, go fishing! :D F'em if they can't take a joke!

by jdclyde

because it goes back to context and intent.

t_i_ts is crude and is always intended as crude.
boobs and or breast are natural, and are nice to behold/beheld. :D

That is where most of this comes in. If your being a rude, crude, intentionally offensive "arse" then you will use words that are intentionally crude in nature.

everyone should allow boobs! no crime there! ]:)

by jdclyde

I would NEVER say anything bad about my boys female parental unit! I am MUCH too nice for that! :D

I did let ONE thing slip in front of the boys before. They were talking about their female parental units cat was having problems with its ears and they thought it might be "mites". It just slipped out "probably just from listening to your mother". (oops!)

Through the tears of laughter, they told me I wasn't nice..... ;\

and I usually do so good at not saying anything bad or negative about her when the boys are around too........

by jdclyde

no, no I am not.

That was why I gave her anything she wanted to get her out ASAP. Didn't want her knocked up or bringing something back to me!

funny the way I mentioned it to the boys, really sad when looking at the reality like this..... Karma is kicking her ass hard!

by tryten

Maybe you havent had REAL mexican food. And anywhere in the U.S. north of Houston does not serve real mexican food, they serve that americanized garbage. I am talking about the good stuff with tounge, tripe and all the mixin's. I have had some REAL Tamales where My buddies mom boiled up a cows head and used the meat and other remnants as the filler. That was the best tamale ever.

Ron White said it best when he was making fun of Cincinatti for claiming to be the Chili capital of the world. "Hell Juan can kick your a$$ with a goat and an onion..."

by m_a_r_k

I'd rather avoid saying t_i_t, aka teat, in the presence of females or even another guy I don't know that well. One time my dog had an infection of his teat gland. The vet was female. I don't know of a politically correct word for a teat gland so I had to say the word to her. I couldn't say that there was something wrong with the dog's breast b/c she would have thought I was talking about his chest. However, in referencing this same condition about a human female, I would have used the word breast, not teat. I wouldn't have dared to tell a doctor that something is wrong with a woman's teat. Why is that?

by peter warren

Welcome to America ? Home of Hypocrites; Land of the Puerile. Home of Bible Thumpers; Land of the Cowed. Home of Political Correctness; Land of the Pure as the Driven Snow (or we?ll close you down.

Does anyone know of a religion-based movement that gained secular power and did not restrict and abuse human rights? Does anyone know of theocracy that did not eventually commit atrocities against non-believers? I propose allowing religions a political voice only in exchange for their registration as political/lobbyist organizations and a complete, permanent surrender of tax-free status.

by jdclyde

a stupid person run their mouth off, just now.

You are going to compare TR chosing what language they feel is appropreate on THEIR server to a "religious-based movement"?

Go take your meds, idiot.

by peter warren

Call it the latest ?moral? majority. Or is it the silent majority? I forgot. It seems so much like d?j? vu all over again. Anyone for starting a new Temperance Movement? Or maybe a trial to decide the legality of evolution. How about a rousing chorus of Onward Christian Soldiers? Language is language. Censorship is not appropriate.

by oz_media

What's going on? WTF is that all aboot?

Piss off...alright, just bugger awf, sling yet 'ook and get bent.

What WAS that all aboot? Is it for real?

by maxwell edison

...must have an absolutely miserable life. Reading a person's words is a window into that person's mind. How sad a case this person is.

by peter warren

... but thanks for your concern. I'm glad we're not in the old Soviet Union. Next thing you know, you'd be sizing me up for the loony bin.

by x-marcap

That you have mistaken the Republicans for the Democrats under Clinton. They were the people who killed the people at WACO and at Ruby Ridge... They are the ones who seal the investigations to prevent the people from finding out who ordered the shots to be fired...

Liberals accuse others of their actions, falsely, continually.

by jellimonsta

but you set yourself up for it JD.

[q]...did I mention I used to be a long distance runner?[/q]

Those sheep are pretty fast aren't they? :p

by oneamazingwriter

are genuine, and explaining to one another what we find acceptable is an important area of communication. "Consider the source" isn't always meant as a put down...it's an important consideration when sharing with people of different ethnic or national backgrounds.

And Mark, technically the the teat is the nipple (let's see if that word is allowed) and the breast is the whole ball of wax. For whatever the reason it's acceptable in this country (USA) to show a large amount of breast as long as the nipple isn't exposed. But there was a time when it was considered horrible if a woman exposed her ankles.
I can remember when there was a major issure about I Dream of Jeannie because the star showed her navel.

edited: typed about instead of amount

by jdclyde

teats - 'tEt

t_t
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English -- more at TEAT
1 : TEAT
[b]2 usually vulgar [/b]: BREAST -- usually used in plural

mean the same, but not the same intent.

Same as the different "slang" terms for the other mommie parts and THE male organ. some are good for anywhere, others are only used in porn production or by the crude and "uncouth".

B-)

by jdclyde

Jell my man, your not keeping up with the conversation.

That was Marky Mark that said one day someone was his "lamb". Not only does he admit he likes sheep, but he like them YOUNG! :0

by jellimonsta

I do now recall M_a_r_k's affinity for livestock. :p

I beseech you sir and bid you good day! :D

by onbliss

How come it does not censor the words under the section "Discussions Participated in:" in "My Discussion" page?

Whereas it censors the same words in the actual discussion page? Case of Bug?

by jardinier

If a cow had a wooden t*t, it would have a wooden t*t, wouldn't it.

As a school teacher, in reference to caning:

"I hit him and I missed, but he died of pneumonia from the breeze."

by jardinier

mammeries?

BTW, t*t has been fairly acceptable in OZ throughout my life. Boob is a relatively new term.

If one wishes to avoid offending anyone, "bosom" is a pretty safe word to use.

The lass who employs me to maintain her garden has massive "jugs." In fact when we are eating out at a restaurant, she cannot get close enough to her plate and so places an array of paper napkins covering her bosom area to catch any spilt food.

We have a lot of laughs about her awesome accessories. She is not at all interested in s*x, but I regularly ask her to take good care of them for me in case some day she becomes aware of their most important function (that shouldn't take much figuring out).

Because I have put on weight from my meds, I have developed accessories that would easily fill a "B" cup.

So I love to boast: "Mine are bigger than yours."

Well I would love to illustrate this post with a photo, but we know what happened to the LAST photo I posted, don't we. ;)

by Member 25348569

generally used the word "nellies" when describing the sort of t*ts possessed by my cousin Jackie i.e. big enough to have their own postcode.

My cousin Jackie is so fat that it takes her over an hour to have a dump - 50 minutes of that just to line her arse up. Tell you! Her car has stretch marks!

by Member 25348569

Jules started this thread (a bit OTT for a Friday but that's what he's like) which quite rightly became a bit of Friday fun on the various things that do and don't get past TR's autocensors.

epw's small rant seemed a bit out of place so I though I'd test another word on it.

:D

by kevaburg

How many egostistic self-righteous idiots hate the word FUCK without knowing what it means?

Because it was used in a social manner that meant it was bad the fact that someone was in jail for reasons of FUCK (For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge) meant that in our "enlightened" society it could not be used.

Since when has "SUCK" been offensive?

by Member 25348569

bollocks! Well, you can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time.

The word f_u_c_k is Germanic in origin and has been around for over a thousand years. Very few acronymic words are earlier than a hundred years ago.

If you're going to barrel in, all guns blazing - "self-righteous idiots" - at least make sure that it's not [b]you[/b] who comes over as the fuckwit.

As for "suck", it's an Americanism and just sounds and looks crap to those of us for whom it isn't normal usage i.e. Brits like me and Aussies like Jules who started the thread.

Neil :D

p.s. "fuckwit" is English slang for...well...you can work it out.

by kevaburg

I guess I should recommend the sacking of the history professor that explained it to me.........

by jardinier

are colloquialisms quite widely in use in Australia.

However these words with the implied meaning would NOT be used in polite company, and in my opinion the word is not appropriate in an advertisement for professional people.

By Australian standards, "Does your job give you the sh*ts?" would probably be regarded as less offensive than "suck."

by jdclyde

no one is talking religion here.

no one is talking censorship here.

What IS being talked about is a private company, providing a service to working professionals having the right to decide if there are certain words they feel are not welcome on their private server.

People that feel any deviant language is acceptable to all (like yourself) are always free to start your own private server and talk any way you wish.

Funny, but if I were to say something racist instead of perverted, would you still support that speach? Is censorship still not appropriate?

Note before you make an even more stupid comment, I do not make racist comments and do not support people being able to do so. Not all speach is protected, even in America.

by peter warren

Gently off the server
Diddle me doodle me diddle me do
W_h_o_r_e is just a word

Gee whiz, with all the right-wing fundamentalist groaning and squealing in America, you can?t blame a guy for missing the difference between w_h_o_r_i_n_g and religion. I?ll tell you what ? I?ll w_h_o_r_e for your baseless afterlife superstition if you?ll w_h_o_r_e for mine.

by x-marcap

Christianity revels in the carnal relations of man and wife... You have projected a false image, and many people who don't understand the reasons why. If you ever believe, I can educate you, but that is an unlikely situation...

I suspect you will spend your time in Hell, alone and cooking...

by jardinier

in trying to have a rational discussion with you, but nowhere in Scripture is there any reference to: "revelling in the carnal relations of man and wife."

The Church as an institution -- especially the mother church, the Roman Catholic Church -- has quite deliberately instilled guilt about sex into the minds of its flock so that they will feel the need to confess and be "saved."

by jdclyde

being a punk with a dirty mouth and the way a business would choose to have people act while using their services.

From your responses, it is clear that you are new to the whole "working for a living", and think that you can say or do anything, anytime, anyplace.

I see many hard lessions in store for you, and if you don't learn from them soon, lots of being underemployed. I know there is no place for a punk with a dirty mouth at any of the tech places I have worked, and if you really have found a place that doesn't mind, you had better pray to the god you don't believe in that you never lose it. You are so screwed up because you don't have a core value that tells you what is proper behavior in a professional setting. You are also so screwed up that you can't even tell the difference between TR not wanting a bunch of dirty mouthed punks being different that the anti-christian hate your spewing.

After you work in the field a few years, and get fired a few times for being a punk, you will either learn a lession or you will feel you got fired because someone was picking on you.

Another word come to mind. TROLL. Should have seen it in your posts earlier, because it is clear you only talk tough on-line and not in the office.

You prove the old saying that "IT Consultant" is just a fancy term for "Unemployed".

by jdclyde

A soup kitchen is more like the destination of someone of your obviously limited ability to reason and maintain proper behavior. Consultant, sure you are.

by mjwx

I found that jem when every email containing do[b]C_U_M[/b]ent or do[b]C_U_M[/b]entum got caught in the spam filter.

by mjwx

I wouldn?t like people using the word W_h_o_r_e, F_u_c_k or S_h_i_t in front of children. Censorship can go to far but that is because some people can?t censor themselves. They ruin it for the rest of us.

I to clarify, good sir am not a Christian. In fact I have once advocated Satanism in favour to Christianity.

And onward Christian soldiers marching off to war!! (sorry but you asked).

by jdclyde

Here I was beginning to think that it was almost a prereq that if you were an anti-christian, you HAD to run around talking like you have a third grade education.

You mean to tell me that your religion or lack of it is NOT what determines if your a foul mouthed punk or not? ;\ Learn something new every day! :D

by deepsand

The offensive word was to have been "*uck."

We apologize for any distress caused to you and your offspring.