Double standard -- hypocrisy at TR
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anti-christian = foul mouthed punk?
Watch it, you $?{%^?$%^ $%!??%$#-##^%$!!
by jdclyde
but I don't see much! :D
Not to mention, you KNOW that was intended only as a direct slam on this id10t known as [b]EPW[/b].
Having someone like THAT on YOUR team really doesn't do much for the image of the rest of the club, now does it? Maybe you need to revoke his membership privialages? Excommunicate him from the anti-christian fan club? B-)
(do you eat with that mouth? But then again, as GG has shown us, what do you expect from someone that likes "gravy" on their faggots? :0 )
gravy with [b]your[/b] faggots, followed by a little roly-poly and - if you wanted to do it properly - you'd end up with a spotted d:ck.
This can be done by both sexes but, traditionally, fellas like it best.
:p
by jdclyde
I am to picky about who and what I eat! :D
Maybe if the names were translated to something that isn't so blantantly GAY....
Funny how so many words have been ruined by the homosexual movement.
The name "Bob" took the hardest hit here in the states, with "gay bob". :0
Parents. When naming your kids, think of every bad name that can be made out of the names you choose BEFORE giving it to your kids! Save them a lot of school yard beatings! B-) [i]this has been a public service announcement![/i]
by onbliss
by jellimonsta
I do not believe JD was not portraying 'consultants' in a negative light. I think it was to infer that the use of 'IT Consultant' by a majority of TR peers in their 'job description' is to mask the fact that they are in fact, unemployed. :D
[edited to reflect my thoughts, not fact]
by jdclyde
Not negativism towards Consultants.
I am just refering to this getting used as the title of choice for the unemployed as well. The unemployed don't wish to state this openly as it makes them less marketable or credible in the eyes of many.
The way this boy has been running his mouth, I don't see him working in a professional IT shop, let alone being a "consultant".
Does this clarify my intent? No slam intended towards REAL consultants.
by x-marcap
by jdclyde
by jdclyde
many IT Professionals come to this IT site FOR professionals from work. What happens when they go to a page, and some foul mouthed punk was "cursing" just because they don't have the intelligence to support their ideas without the shock value of these words?
Now the net snoopers go off, and someone gets flagged for going to sites that have "inapropreate content" based on company policies.
Is this really what you want? I don't.
Clean it up and grow up.
Yes, sometimes it is confusing on which word will slide by and which won't, but that is were intent comes in.
by jaqui
For language guidelines, always use language you would want to hear your children use to you.
and remember, children are like tape recorders, it only takes once that you use foul language and they will use it back.
The side benefit of not always using profanity, when you do use it the impact of it is much greater, because you have changed your pattern for that post / discussion.
by jellimonsta
You are right about kids Jaqui. After my wife attempts to aclimate to puppy ownership for a few weeks, I returned home from work one day to hear my 3 yr old daughter proclaim "this frickin' dog is driving me nuts!!".
I had to laugh, even though I knew I shouldn't have. :D
you said that. I have genuinely appreciated the relaxed atmosphere at this site, and the true tolerance that exists here, but there have been times that I have wondered about some of the language, since professional, to me, carries an ability to address matters in a respectful manner. Just as there's a difference between art and pornography there's a difference between crudeness and strong expression to get a point across. (Which is my wordy way of agreeing with INTENT). I prefer the astericks. They help to lighten my reading. I am reminded of seeing #!!@** in the comics. Frustration can come across easily without having the exact word spelled out for me.
edit: jd already had to read this thing without the n in reading, and the s in easily, but I figure I will be kinder to any other's who come along! :)
by jdclyde
leaves more to the imagination.
If I were to tell you that I would like to #@#$@ your @#$#@ and @#$#@ the #@$@#$@^@#$ while we @#@%$# at the %^#$#, I am sure your imagination would come up with much better than I could crudely state in words! Well, maybe some of the less pure members could...... ;\ [i] (do I need to spell it out? ]:) ) :p
by dr dij
sp*c is a derogatory word for (puerto ricans?)
I was trying to use in the context of a popular cleaning product which is (derogatory word for puerto ricans) and Span, in terms of keeping your computer's hd or registry system clean.
I didn't even think of the other context till I went to edit my post and saw **** in it's place :(
by jardinier
like t*ts, and we can't refer to a software product called Sp*c and Span.
The stupid thing is that when we encounter one of these words, we soon learn to adjust it so that it will fool the auto-censor, but the meaning remains as clear as ever.
In fact if anything it DRAWS ATTENTION to the illict word.
You may have missed a thread I started some time ago referring to another website which asterisked out the word "bitch," correctly defined in any dictionary as a female dog.
And yet TR allows "bugger" which can refer to sodomy or bestiality or more descriptively -- and this is also in the dictionary -- anal intercourse.
Well I'll see if this lot gets through.
by itdesperado
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by mjwx
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by douglashead
mmmm Steak and Kidney Pie!!!! WANT :D
although I must admit my favourit dish is Lamb's fry, or for those outside of Aus, or uneducated Lambs Liver! So good!
Cows tongue is also quite nice *nods*
by douglashead
by mjwx
I will have you know that there is no [b]THE[/b] anti-christ only [b]AN[/b] anti-christ and you are most certainly an insult to genuine anti-christs everywhere.
FYI anti-christ's are anyone who doesn?t follow Christian orthodoxy (as the literal definition of the name would have you believe). The anti-christ is an American concept (Hollywood) and has nothing to do with the beast of revelation (except in perceptions).
by jardinier
while being obviously erotic, is NOT a source of doctrine or supposed to describe normal marital sex.
It is a POEM -- get it? Extravagant imagery is quite normal in a POEM.
See 1 Corinthians Chapter 7 for St Paul's teaching on marriage, which DOES NOT in any way accentuate carnality.
by jdclyde
A person smiling while in a halloween costume out with his family makes him look intoxicated? If you say so.
Back ground on pic.
Right at the tail of my divorce (of her choosing) so this was my way of informing friends at the halloween party I go to every year that we were no longer together. I am gleefully covered in blood holding a severed head. That way the ex-wife was still able to attend the party, (in spirt at least!)
There is nothing in that pic that will trip a sensor for people who browse this page from work, but your uneducated forms of communications will.
When you learn to communicate without having to resort to shock value, some people just might take you seriously. Someday. Go back to your trailer part where they find you amusing. Adults are having a discussion.
by peter warren
by peter warren
1? 2? 3?
Speaking of children?s welfare, did you know this? --- In the world today, on each and every day of each and every year, a child starves to death or dies from hunger related diseases every three seconds. 1 2? 3? there goes one. 1? 2? 3? and another 1? 2? 3? and another 1 2? 3? one more???.
And what is the response of our government, the ?Christian values? people in power in America? The silence is deafening isn?t it.
1?2?3? another child 1?2?3? and another. While the ?family values? Republicans plough hundreds of billions to the wealthiest Americans, while they pour hundreds of billions into Iraq, and hundreds more into our war machine, remember - 1? 2 ? 3? there goes another.
While the ?Christian? right fights against birth control, reproductive choice and AIDS vaccines; while it wastes our time and money on futile attempts to outlaw all things sexual outside of marriage between one man and one woman; while it rails against homosexuality and vilifies its opponents, remember - 1? 2? 3? another child gone.
The farcical tragedy of America?s ?family values? Republicans and ?Christian? right is that they are even less Christian than I am.
1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 ...........................
by peter warren
I?d be willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of people involved with the slaughter at Waco and the murders at Ruby Ridge considered themselves conservative and Christian. This goes all the way from the ones who lit the fires and pulled the triggers, to the ones who gave the orders, to the ones who approved the orders, to the ones who conceived the actions and gave the go ahead.
We all have blood on our hands for these murders and for more killing than we can possibly imagine. Our country, like most countries, has been built on an ocean of blood, much of it innocent blood. It?s high time we accepted this reality; and high time we faced this truth: there is little to be admired in murderers whether they are Democratic murderers or Republican murderers.
by jardinier
Hopefully you will learn some manners before you next make a sarcastic post to a long-standing member.
By the way, I distrust anyone who blocks the option to "Send private message." What are you afraid of?
by itdesperado
by deepsand
I concur wholeheartedly.
My opinion is that if they wish to remain anonymous, then don't show up in public places.
Allowing members to hide is one of the biggest mistakes that TR has made.
While there may be legitimate reasons why one might fear harrasing missives from others, one can always use discardable e-mail addresses to combat such.
by jdclyde
fly on the wall, that either just gets the newsletters and downloads, and read along in discussions, and the other is someone that wants to post in the discussions.
You should have to enable peer messages to post. Isn't that what gmail was invented for?
by x-marcap
Don't pay any attention to Julian.
He is the resident Aussi, anti-American, anti-Christian,anti-anything moral, ex-journalist in residence.
He is abusive and you are his latest target. He will attempt to discredit you rather than deal with anything that you write...
He just had a birthday and turned 65, so if you are kind to him he'll eat you up.
He is a bully. Kick him hard enough, and he'll whine in a corner...
Again, welcome to TR.
by itdesperado
Thanks guys for the welcome :)
He don't worry me. I find it amusing when people are all tough behind a keyboard, they make themselves such easy targets for sarcastic buggers or buggered sarcastics :D
by jardinier
Actually there are several Australians who are active in miscellaneous discussions, one of whom has been holding No 1 position for site activity for many months. But he's a Buddhist, so I suppose that is OK. Actually he is more than just A Buddhist, but he is too modest to tell you.
I am not anti-American. I am anti the Bush Administration and if John Howard hadn't sent Australian troops to Iraq, I would have no particular interest in either America or the Bush administration.
I am not anti-Christian, I am pro-Truth in the broader sense, which allows me to see spiritual values and teachings in other places than The Bible.
As for "anti-anything moral," well I have no idea where you dreamed that up.
And finally I am not an ex-journalist. I am an accredited freelance journalist and paid-up member of the Australian Journalists Association.
by deepsand
Before you start making public pronouncements about the character of others, you might try completing those threads elsewhere that you walked away from after being asked to elaborate on your own provocative utterances.
Otherwise, you would be wise to bear in mind the adage that "'Tis better to remain silent, and be thought the fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."
by deepsand
by x-marcap
RTFM. The U.S. Constitution has no provisions for the welfare state.
We have no obligation to share tax revenue with those who don't belong to that group of people who didn't generate the taxes in the first place whether they are citizens of the USA or not.
The purpose of taxes should be to defend and protect our citizens, and to create a climate where we can thrive. Welfare is unconstitutional, actually it is extra-constitutional. They made a huge mistake in going beyond "Congress shall make no law" in the first amendment...
"No man's life, Liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session..."
by x-marcap
Paul even lamented he didn't have a believing wife.
Let?s try this from a different tact. Let us say that Paul was against promiscuity and perversion.
Peter was married, as were many others of the disciples. In Fact, all except Paul were married.
The nature of man is as Paul directed to be married. "It is better to marry than to burn."
Paul was writing to widows, but in this it applies to all of us.
One of the best examples of husbands in the bible was a man who would work for years to get the woman he wanted. (14 years for Rachel). There were many children descended from these two people.
Since you are trying to take Paul?s writing out of context, you must have a problem with the fact that people of faith will state categorically that it is immoral to be promiscuous, or to practice abominations of perversion? You may have a personal problem with that viewpoint. Or, are you a pervert? Knowing your writing, you have a dog in the hunt. Are you immoral or a pervert, Julian?
As a Christian, I have this strange perversion, I am disobedient. I should shake off the dust from my shoes and let you go to hell on your own... I sometimes waste time and effort on people like you? I think that after you start to understand, you will believe.
The problem is I waste my time and resources, ?casting pearls before swine?.
I repent my efforts.
by x-marcap
They are hiding behind sealed testimony that has been sealed by Bill Clinton for 75 years... Janet Reno said she was responsible, but she was apparently falling on the sword for the person who told the agent, convicted of 2nd degree murder to "Shoot the next peson who walks out that door." After that tidbid came out, the judge sealed the courtroom, then the judge lowered the charges from 1st degree murder to manslaughter. The jury deliberated for 9 minutes to get a guilty verdict.
Why did the procedings get sealed. Who got protected? That is much bigger scandal than Watergate. People died because of it. The guilty conspirators were let off the hook... You don't shoot an unarmed woman and her baby because someone tells you to. Not when they were never convicted of a crime.
They were challenging the IRS's right to exist in court.There was something about an amendment not being ratified properly...
by peter warren
TJ, I don?t dispute the details you are presenting. Whether it was Bill Clinton, Janet Reno, or some other official, they were government employees who decided they didn?t have to obey the law or honor their oaths to uphold the constitution. However, this is nothing new or unique in America. Politically and economically motivated killing by government and non-government agencies is a well practiced art. Just ask the friends and families of:
* murdered and surviving members of the Black Panthers,
* murdered civil rights workers,
* murdered labor activists,
* innocent victims of lynch mobs and government railroaded executions
* murdered peace and anti-war activists
* countless Africans who were killed as a result of slavery in America
* 10,000,000 native-Americans.
by x-marcap
It was always wrong. However, I will be more specific than that. The Native Americans including the Crow nation (my wife is a Crow.) that attacked settlers rather than co-existing with them brought it on themselves. That was in retrospect governmental use of force to protect citizens, and or to conquer an opponent in a long bloody war. My wife is also descended from Louis Wetzel, a great Indian killer after his wife (a Crow also) was raped, murdered, and burnt by other Indians. His one son from that marriage survived... He led troops and personally killed thousands of Indians. He was considered "great" in Northern West Virginia, and the County my wife was born in was named after him...
I can say that there have been times when people were killed in vain...
Do you know what slavery is and was like in Africa, you might not be as negative about American Slavery. I have been to Mali, Somalia, and the Sudan. I have seen African slavery, as recently as 1997... Why doesn't the media get upset over Africans enslaving Africans in abject slavery?
Labor activists may have been just plain stupid. Since my brother has been a Union goo... ah Steward, I know what the unions are like...
Civil rights workers that were murdered should have had their killers tried.
Anti-War activist murdered? Gee, they got their just desserts.(just kidding) I am not pro-violence, but when the time is necessary, use all the force necessary to achieve the necessary results. Custer was a fool he needed 8 times as many men as he had to achieve his objective.
The Black Panthers are a major problem for me. One of the Panthers thought he would Frag me. This is post Vietnam, and he had been warned once before by me. As an officer, I officially didn't see it. When he continued to use drugs, I had to see it. I told the First Sergeant tell him it is over now, no more drugs... Then he offered me a smoke. (Never offer your commanding officer a hit on a joint. He has to do something then...) He thought the M3 would take care of me. (He threw it in the latrine with me.) I was bringing him up on drug use charges in the Marines. I admit that he missed, and I think they should all be hunted down, and tried... I'd try them for treason first, sedition second, and public health reasons next.
I would admit that I am not quite color blind, to skin tone. My friends, however, look like a melting pot. I had at my last birthday party, 6 Asians, 8 WASPs, 4 Polacks not related to me, 6 Italians, 8 People of Jewish Persuasion, 4 black guys, and 16 people who either are, or could be members of the Crow nation. One of my friends and his kids went on vacation to Disney, and called. He is Black and married to a Puerto Rican gal. They are all great people, and my friends.
I have less in common with my niece who has 4 kids and several husbands at age 23. She and her common law husband should be made to work. They are healthy enough to breed...
The atrocities you mention are regretable, but in the more distant past. Clinton and Reno escaped justice.
by peter warren
-- We have no obligation to share tax revenue with those who don't belong to that group of people who didn't generate the taxes in the first place whether they are citizens of the USA or not. --
This is the face of American-style Christianity that would have Jesus rolling in the sepulcher. Can I get an amen for hypocrisy? I believe I can rest my case.
by x-marcap
I do support some indigent people through a religious based charity. This I give willingly.
I don't think you (as a welfare recipient) have the right to take my money to support your life. If you try to just take money from my wallet I get to resist you in defense of my property.
In a like manner, people are stealing from me, and they use the power of the government to help them steal. That is wrong. No government should be in Welfare under the US constitution.
by mjwx
But, I believe that everyone be them rich or poor has the right to an equal start in life (see the Australian concept of a "fair go") once given this however, its up to them to make something of themselves.
Poor parents (see the definition of an ?Aussie Battler?) quiet often don?t have the money to send their children to a college or university even if they have high grades. So I believe that such people should not be reduced to a life of low paying work because they were born into it. Managing full time work (working an unqualified low paying job) and study is difficult especially if you are studying to get a good job (if you are studying for a promotion suck it up). Government should assist tertiary students (especially those who's families can afford the fee's) if for no other reason then to create an educated work force which in itself is an economic benefit.
Secondly a bloke who gets laid off or made redundant is down on his luck. This is the kind of person who should benefit from the dole, receive income assistance until he gets another job (within reasonable time and job market permitting). I have no patience for dole-bludgers, repeat NO patience for dole-bludgers.
by mjwx
to debate this point (I have made my position clear on welfare in a previous post, so this is not about welfare) I would say that this is one of the key idea behind governance itself. To ensure that food gets from the field into homes where it is needed.
Before the free market governments controlled the movement of food completely. This was done to ensure that the fewer people spent time labouring in the fields and more time on improving society (or whatever the ruler decided was important). The government still has a hand in the movement of food from the farms to your plate but now its assisted by market forces as well.
If governments didn?t take responsibility for feeding people at some point throughout history we would still be fighting each other over food like the did in Somalia not so long ago. Feeding the masses was an important step in improving government (as an concept not individual governments).
by jardinier
by peter warren
I just completed a search of the Bible for the phrases free market, capitalism and private property. You might be surprised to learn that 0 results were returned. There seems to be a real disconnect here. I?m talking about innocent children starving to death unnecessarily and you?re preaching free market ideology. If you want to be a strict free market advocate and allow that government has no role in the economy ? that?s fine. But don?t claim to be a follower of Jesus Christ at the same time. If you want to follow Christ ? that?s also fine. But don?t ascribe sacredness to free market capitalism at the same time. You cannot truly follow Christ and answer the suffering of children with platitudes about the inappropriateness of welfare.
Your contributions to the indigent are admirable. So are all the contributions of all the people who want to make a difference. Unfortunately, even with all this giving, one child dies from starvation or hunger related disease every THREE seconds. Remember, 1, 2, 3,? another child is gone -- 1,2, 3?and another?.
As far as our government is concerned, the Republican hypocrites, who currently control the most powerful and (so far) wealthiest nation on earth, have made a career of wrapping themselves in the mantle of Christianity. If they were doing anything other than using Christians for votes, these Republican leaders would be at the forefront of calls and actions to alleviate such mass and unnecessary suffering. It?s clear that lining their own pockets and the pockets of their friends, waging war and preserving power are much more important to them. I can?t imagine Jesus Christ being pleased with these phonies. What I can?t understand is why so many Americans who identify themselves as Christians tolerate this usurpation of their faith.
by jdclyde
stopping in for an ice cream cone for the walk by the river!
And of course that is exactly what I had in mind! ;\
by deepsand
by jdclyde
there is nothing like [b]Blue Moon[/b] for a walk in the sunset, along the river walk!
(at least you didn't say vanilla!) :p
there is a blue moon we will do this thing...agreed?
(maple nut and pistacio are nice, too!)
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