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    Exception Errors


    by clarence45_209 ·

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      End of Windows?

      by clarence45_209 ·

      In reply to Exception Errors

      With the recent announcment of Microsoft Live, I am wondering if this marks the end of Windows. It seems to me that several things are happening. Microsoft is throwing in the towel against Google, and by extension, Linux. The development cycles of Windows are several years long, and Microsoft’s traditional method of software development and feature-creep is finally catching up with them. Open-source software seems to be nimbler and easier to develop. The real story here, though, is Microsoft’s realization that Windows and Office cannot keep the money rolling in. People are running out of reasons to upgrade, and Redmond is running out of ideas to justify upgrading. The current versions of Windows and Office (and Linux/OpenOffice) do pretty much what everyone wants, or needs. There are precious few features or capabilities in Windows Vista that justify upgrading. Most people will “upgrade” to Windows Vista and Office 12 for no other reason that it ships with a new PC. Microsoft will still have a large user base, but innovation in the Redmond campus is hard to find. If Windows really lived up to the hype, users would never have to upgrade anyway. So, Microsoft must adopt a new business model, copying what others are already doing. This is why Redmond sees Yahoo! and Google as competitors. Yahoo! and Google sell ad space, not OS’s or office suites. That is changing. In a few years, software will be defined as a service as opposed to a definable product.

      Now, the question is, do I keep my MCSE cert or let it drop? I think the answer is “let it go.” Getting certified in Windows, or anything else right now, seems nuts. Traditional software products are going by the wayside. People won’t pay for a license, they’ll pay a recurring subscription fee. But that’s a topic for another day.

      • #3137278

        End of Windows?

        by amd guy ·

        In reply to End of Windows?

        If M$ were to end the era of Windows, it would be ludacris on there
        part. As it is now, people (by people I mean the average user) dont
        really understand how a computer works let alone know how to use it.
        With that being said, if M$ stopped making Windows and people had to
        switch to Linux they wouldnt know there ass from a hole in the ground.
        Linux is to complex for the average user. Just to install software it
        takes an act of congress. Hell I dont like Linux just for that reason.
        Yea its alot safer than Windows and your not prone to viruses like
        Windows is because of the “root” thing, but like I said, its also more
        complex. Then the need for computers from the consumer would go down.
        (in my opinion) IF this was the case and M$ did stop producing Windows,
        I would just have to use the former Windows versions. (i.e. 98. 2K, XP)

        But some of you as you are reading this might say, “Well all everyone
        else has to do is use the former versions of Windows like you said you
        would.” Yes true, but the demand for what software calls for like say
        games is getting rediculous. Nvidia and ATI are taking products to far.
        Gamers want games to look more realistic and life like and to do that
        requires for bigger and better video cards that. Which brings me back
        to Nvidia and ATI with there competition between them for the making of
        the best video card. The bigger and better they are, the more expensive
        they are. And when a computer company like Dell or HP has to put in a
        video card (im talking in the future) that has to be 128MB and it being
        a ATI 9800PRO or an nVidia 6800 is rediculous. And that just being a
        standard. All these new games require high end rigs that everyone wants
        but cant afford. I kinda strayed away from the subject there but still
        think about it. What is software gonna require within the next 10-20
        yrs. when/if Windows is no longer around. The versions out now wouldnt
        be able to support it is really what im trying to say threw all of
        this. All of what I have stated here is just my opinion. Everyone is
        entitled to their own opinion and i respect it. Just thought I’d put my
        two cents in here.

      • #3118956

        End of Windows?

        by jmanalang ·

        In reply to End of Windows?

        Hi guys!

        My opinion on this matter is that….. You end Windows… You’ll end up paying higher fee for Linux in the future.

        Why? It’s simple economics….. Less competition greater chance of monopolizing the market!

        And would you think that those who are using the Open source would be able to sustain the demands later should problem arise from there developed product? I don;t think so!

        You see… is isn’t that! Now a days… even before… those who are famous are the ones we get to be interested the most! The same with viruses developers… they would want their work be noticed.. and where would it be best to test there skills????? Of course no other than Microsoft products!!!!!

        Look at how terrorist attack…. they would go to low profiled province or state! They would hit you were it would hurt the most and be placed on headlines the next day! Nah!!! so much for this terror thing!

        Let me just clarify one thing…. I am not an endorser of M$ (to borrow the line from you!!!).

        It just so happened that, it would not be healthy in the future should Microsoft stops! What they should re-think is how they would make they products more cost effective!

        And so!!!! Continue the innovation for better product and better price! Competition is still the BEST Avenue to produce the Best product!!!!!

        Chow! Mabuhay!!!!! Asta la Vista!!!! See yah!


      • #3118436

        End of Windows?

        by mil-spec-guy ·

        In reply to End of Windows?

        Somehow I seriously doubt that Microsoft of Windows would ever just
        fade away.  But, that being said, Windows has managed to back
        themselves into a corner by becoming such a monolith.  The
        development cycle of their product has been constantly extended into
        multi-year cycles, as has been noted.  The Windows paradigm has
        been developed intentionally as a block of code that does EVERYTHING in
        one big package.  Every iteration means more and better features
        have to be welded onto a huge code base.  The switch from
        98/ME/2000 to XP has been one of their less sterling efforts, and now
        that they have run into HUGE problems getting that pile of spaghetti
        code running with all the bells and whistles they keep throwing in,
        which means their model is failing to meet their expectations.  If
        anyone has been following the news of late, you may have noted that
        Bill and the Boyz have restructured the company in an effort to become
        more ‘nimble’.  It may or may not work for them, but also along
        the way, they have hired a few new programmers that come from the Linux
        world.  Their new model for Windows sounds suspiciously like that
        of Linux/Unix, which consists of a kernel running some of the needed
        services for machine elements like I/O and low level services, and
        additional modules for added functionality to talk to us dumb
        humans.  Like the desktop, databases, and the list goes on. 
        My point is, Bill and the Boyz have finally woken up and have started
        to REDESIGN Windows from the ground up.  Expect the ‘new and
        improved’ Windows to look a LOT like Linux.  They might try to
        simplify things a touch, but if they make things TOO easy, the security
        aspects of a separate kernel and separated user and administrator
        spaces will be weakend as a result.  So they probably won’t diddle
        too much with the way things are, they might even innovate some aspects
        of it, but for the most part the Windows paradigm of old is going to go
        by the wayside, to make way for a MUCH improved product that will look
        a LOT like Linux ‘under the hood’.  I guess Bill and the Boyz have
        come to the conclusion that if you can’t beat them, you may as well
        join them.  Bill may be a genius of sorts, but he has made
        mistakes in the past, and is only human.  Wasn’t he the guy that
        said (and I paraphrase) “640K of memory is all anyone will ever need
        for computer memory requirements”.  Gee, I guess he never thought
        about how much space all that pasta would need to stay hot, and how
        much it would need for all the sauce, to make it more tempting to the
        masses. Expect Windows to go on a serious diet in the near future, only
        if the company actually succeeds in paring itself down, and actually
        gets some of the deadwood out of the way, to the point where they
        actually make progress on their ‘new’ model.  Of course, having to
        copy the success of Linux must be making Bill and the Boyz gnash their
        teeth, but they always have been the masters of appropriation.  If
        its’ a threat, they either buy it outright, or just copy it and say
        that they were always there anyway.  Sure thing, Billy boy! 
        Have a nice Millenium!  

      • #3118380

        End of Windows?

        by robert.cox ·

        In reply to End of Windows?

        Perhaps the future lies not in the question of Windows v’s Linux but in individual “computer units” that perform specific functions. In the last couple of weeks I’ve seen a prefectly good computer selling at under $200 admittedly with an AOL requirement.

        Even now I have two computers with one monitor/KB/mouse. The old PII is great for email (online storage), internet, simple office functions and some older pre-XP software. Newer P4 is used for photos, video and web site creation software.

        The future? Perhaps a series of boxes (something like XBox/PS2) with single functions ie internet/email, office, multimedia.

        To the user it wouldn’t matter a damn whether the OS is Windows, Linux, Google or whatever. I can see a rack of boxes all accessed by one monitor/kb/mouse/printer/scanner. Guess what – home network. Excellent simpler but more work for computer technicians. Plenty of room for the user to scre up the system

        And so …… the world gets ever more complex, units are disposable but is the end product any better?

      • #3130704

        End of Windows?

        by brandon.aiken ·

        In reply to End of Windows?

        Windows, Office, and other thick applications are going nowhere.  Microsoft will do the exact same thing Red Hat and other Linux vendors are doing.  You stop selling your product based on the features, and start selling it based on support.  Look at it this way.  With Linux, you get the OS for free, but you have to pay $50 annually for support.  With MS, you pay $300 up front for your product, but support is free for 5 years.  Of course, since no new features are added to a MS product unless it’s supported, you’re paying for use of Windows and all new Windows software between now and whenever the next version hits.  Nobody develops software for an unsupported product.  Not even MS (Windows Media Player 10 and Win2k, WSUS and Office 2000, IE 7 and Win2k).  Note that large-scale enterprises are already running with nothing but annual support liscences, more or less.  the MS business model will shift in a semantic sense, but they’re still going to make a ton of money.

        Windows 2000 and Office 2000 are only being end-of-life’d in the business world because MS is end-of-life’ing support.  The same is going to be true of WinXP, Win2k3, Office XP, and Office 2k3.  Vendor support is the primary feature of any new software these days.  New features are only really in development in emerging software products, like anti-spyware.  MS Word and MS Excel are, essentially, perfected apps feature-wise.  Production values to not increase by adding new features no user wants.

        It’s going to be the same as an automobile.  In mature software markets we will see planned obsolescence and mass migrations to new versions when the old one is end-of-life’d.  A warranty is a powerful thing for an automobile.  Just imagine if you discover the car you bought a few years back isn’t going to support the gasoline being released next year.  Or the roads the year after that.

        Ultimately, however, I believe nobody wants a US$1,500 thin client on their desktop.  Consumers will demand a robust OS simply because they will demand performance only available with thick programs.  I remember the widespread death of the dumb terminal ten years ago or so.  I remember the widespread death of the Citrix thin client 4 years ago.  I will hopefully be celebrating the widespread death of the web-browser based application ( **cringe** ) a few years from now.  Although I expect the cycle of thick vs thin to continue indefinately.

      • #3130911

        End of Windows?

        by erebs ·

        In reply to End of Windows?

        First, let me say that this service is a complete waste! Below lists what this service seems to do:

        The service appears to do a check for updates, which the Windows OS can be set up to do already!
        The service runs a virus scan, which will detect any existing virus scan software on the machine as a virus. And if you already have a virus scan software package, what are you doing bothering with this site’s version?
        The “Tune up” appears to do a check disk and disk fragmentation analysis, both available via the Windows OS.
        The “Disk Clean UP” is nothing more than deleting the temporary files, and internet cookies on a PC (another feature already available via the OS).

        So, the question is: Why would anyone bother to PAY for a service that they already have via their OS?
        Or maybe a better question is: Why is the company we buy our OS from trying to get us to pay them again for something we already bought!

        There is no increased functionality or capability provided by this service! Maybe if it detected and allowed the user to get rid of rootkits or if it cleaned registries of extraneous data (from programs no longer installed on the machine) and such; it might prove to have some value and be worth paying an additional fee for. As it stands, this service provides nothing more than the standard OS functions that have been around for years and it offers them at a reduced efficiency since it is coming from the internet instead of your local hard drive. In addition, it actually makes the users systems more vulnerable since there is always a chance that the Service’s system may one day be infected with a virus which it could transfer on to its customers!

        This is probably one of the worst ideas that has come across the internet in a LONG time! To actually charge someone for them to use functions that they already bought and have access to at all times! This is nothing more than an attempt by a commercial company to charge its customers a “USE TAX”!

        Now that I have that rant out of my system…

        I understand that M$ is looking to the future and sees doom and gloom on the horizon. However, I think they are overlooking one key factor in all this. Internet connectivity is not 24/7/365! They will always be outages! It’s a fact of life that equipment malfunctions, dies, and accidents occur that kill service. It is not feasible for systems to rely on internet connectivity for their OS functions.

        What is more feasible is that M$ is looking at providing a “watered down” OS instead of a full blown OS for the average consumer. I remember doing one of their surveys recently asking me about something similar with advertisements being included for a reduced cost. Well, I responded appropriately and stated that I would probably end up switching to Linux and probably cease purchasing M$ products should they ever attempt to force advertisements on my PC!

        A “watered down” OS with the customer paying for common OS services such as disk defragmenter and the deletion of temporary files is nothing more than what I said earlier: “An attempt by a commercial company to slap a USE TAX on its customers.” What’s next? Microsoft writing laws? No. This is definitely something that everyone should be against and actively fight Microsoft (or any other software company on). Before I subject myself to such, I’ll refuse to upgrade and stick with my existing software. If I need to upgrade hardware, I’ll just refuse any new OS or productivity software of this nature and reload my “old” software. When we by a product, it should be intact and not require continued payments to use. You don’t buy a pair of shoes and then pay the store every time you wear them nor should you pay M$ or anyone else every time you use the OS or productivity software you bought!

        M$ or an analyst might counter with “Who’s to say what makes up an OS? Shouldn’t the Manufacturer be allowed to say what their product contains and what additional services they can charge for?” In this case, NO! Microsoft used similar arguments in their lawsuits with Sun and Netscape to get additional services such as Internet Explorer, Java, and most recently Windows Media Player included in their definition of what constitutes an OS. Microsoft can’t have it both ways. If they have established (to their benefit) that these additional services constitute an OS, then they cannot now change that definition to suit their needs! I had no problems with Microsoft products in the past, but this time they’ve gone too far.

        If Microsoft should attempt to do this, then I recommend that everyone contact their Attorney’s General and have Microsoft truly taken to task on their Monopoly status. Last time it was the various “competitors” against Microsoft. This time it should be the customers and Microsoft’s own definitions and rulings against Microsoft!

    • #3132417

      Thanks for the CD’s

      by clarence45_209 ·

      In reply to Exception Errors

      Over on, Phil Wainewright has written an excellent article that sums up the future of Microsoft. This is what I meant earlier by the End of Windows. The traditional developement/release cycle used by Microsoft for years is obsolete. Google has beaten Microsoft to the punch, not so much by design but simply being in the right market with the right technology at the right time.

      The simple truth is that Software As A Service is the future for software publishers. Microsoft has an enormous cash monster that needs to be fed constantly. Instead of selling “licenses”, Gates and company will just charge you a yearly fee for using their software. I can see (but can’t believe I’m writing this) MS Office being supported by ads. First Microsoft gave us toolbars, now they’ll give us AdBar. You won’t buy CD’s anymore, you’ll just suscribe to your favorite app. This model is great for software publishers, lousy for the consumer. More on that later.

      Mr. Wainewright predicts that Microsoft’s end will be similar to IBM’s. On the surface, that seems to be the case, but IBM did not have Bill Gates at the helm. I don’t think Mr. Gates is a computer genius or visionary, but he is one helluva businessman. It was Mr. Gates’ business practices, not technical superiority, that led to Windows dominance. I think Microsoft will survive this changeover, but lose its place at the top of the food chain.

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