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By jlm1 ·
I have a file server running W2K server and a share that for authenicated users is set to read and execute, list contents and read. A folder one level down had the same settings but within this folder there are subfolders that have the same setting for authenicated users but to which i have added one user ( different user for each folder) who has the above plus has write access. ( I have also tried giving them modify and then denying delete but the result is the same) however they cannot create/save a file to their folder. Everytime they get a message stating that they do not have permission and a 0 byte file is created. If I give them modify in addition to the above and do not deny delete permission then they can write to the folder but also can delete which is what i am trying to prevent. Any thoughts or suggestions?

Thanks much

Jay Mutter

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by shmaltz In reply to file permissions problem

In what program do you have this problem?
A lot of programs (including MS Word) create a temporery file that the program works on and where your data is saved. If the program can delete the temporary file than it can not save to contents of the newfile, thats why the user needs Delete rights as well.

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by shmaltz In reply to file permissions problem

You sent me the following email:
First thanks to the quick response and help. Programs are SAS and Excel but I had had the relevant individuals try Word also and the problem is the same with all 3 so you are probably quite right.

Now, any thoughts on how to work around the problem?


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by shmaltz In reply to file permissions problem

The following was my response.

Usually the only way to work around this problem is by giving the user Delete permissions. However for MS Word 2000 using Windows 2000 (I haven't tried it on any other program that has this problem, or any other version of Word, or any other OS, but I believe it works as well) you can do the following:
1. Create a folder where the documents will be saved.
2. In the NTFS security (which you access by right clicking and choosing properties, then security) uncheck the box "Allow inheritable permissions from parent to propagate to this object" and answer Copy to the question.
3. Click Apply.
4. Click Advanced.
5. Remove the everyone group from the list, and anyone else you don't want to have access (any access) to this folder.
6. Highlight (or add) the group/user you want to deny delete rights. Click View/Edit, and uncheck the boxes "Delete Subfolders and Files" and "Delete". Don't click deny, since deny will bring you bakc to the same problem. Alsomake sure that any other permissions (like write append etc.) are allowed. The only think you might want to deny is taking ownership, and modify permissions.
7. Add the user Creater/Owner and give it full control.
Now the problem should be gone. Since when the user opens the file which in turn creates the temporary file, s/he the user is the owner and the owner has delete permissions on the temporary file.

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by shmaltz In reply to file permissions problem

.....Continuied

Please note:
In the above configuration I assumed that if it is a share on the network, that all the users have Full control in share security. This is not avaiable if you use win9x (another reason to switch to 2000). The difference in share security and NTFS security is, that share security is 1. very limited 2. NTFS restricts on top of share security which will allow you much greater control over security as seen in the above case.
Also in the above configuration if useracreates a file name file.doc usera can delete file.doc, to work around this you will have to take ownership if file.doc so usera connot delete it.

Since the question was posted here, I felt anything regarding this question should be posted here as well.

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by jlm1 In reply to file permissions problem

I really appreciate the help

Thanks

Jay

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