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Fresh Graduated IT

By creative8008 ·
One of the major terms for hiring IT for a company is experience, more experience more chances to be hired, but what about fresh graduated IT, how they will get this experience if companies always searching for experienced IT people. What do you think a fresh graduated IT should do to get this experience? Do you think large companies can help in this? How?

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First job for the new grad - ideas

by raelayne In reply to Fresh Graduated IT

I hire new graduates (no, not looking now), and here is what I look for:

1. Internships - the individual took the time as a student to gain practical experience working for real companies. I ask him or her to talk about responsibilities, accomplishments, challenges, etc. to find out whether it was "real work" or just sitting around the office. If the person did an internship for me, all the better -- I know the person's skills already.

2. Real jobs - the best workers work. They are the people who worked every summer while they were in college, and probably had parttime jobs while they were in school.

3. Any other kinds of real experience -- special school projects that involved teamwork and actually produced a product of some kind.

4. Grades in the hard courses

We all know that in college you learn maybe 5% of what you need to know on the job. So we're all looking for initiative, great work ethic, the ability to teach yourself, energy, teamwork skills, and smarts.

All right, it's too late for you to change what you did in college. So what are your options? You have to gain experience, and fast, in order to make yourself attractive to employers. Make sure that you have some job while you're looking for the right job. Even Taco Bell is better than sitting around at your parents' house waiting for a good job to come around. I can't tell you how bad that looks.

Unless you were a fabulous student from a great school, it's unlikely a large company is going to hire you. They need experienced people, and run their "college scholar" programs on the side, to groom the top talent. But see option 4 below.

I think your most likely bet is a consulting firm. They won't pay you much, and you may not get any benefits, but you'll get a huge amount of experience quickly as you move from gig to gig. After 2 years you'll have established a history of work that makes you more attractive to larger firms. Yes, you will have had to endure 2 years of being treated like crap, but that shows future employers that you're determined and mature.

A second option, and not as good an option, is to find a smaller company, outside a big city, that will have trouble attracting more experienced people. The experience you get there won't be quite as good, and it won't look quite as good on your resume, but it is a job in the field, so you'll be able to grow over time into better jobs. And small companies are good, because you won't get stuck doing one little thing over and over -- you'll be responsible for a broader range of things.

The third option is the family friend -- someone who will hire you as a favor to your parents. If your grades were not so good, and your work history is less than stellar, this is probably how you will have to start. And then you'd better turn things around really fast or that's where you'll always be.

Option 4 is work-your-way-up. If you can't get a job in IT, get any job at a company you're interested in, make them like you, then show them you have some IT talent. This works in the big computer retail operations -- CompuUSA, for example. You can also work for a UPS or HomeDepot or something and then apply for internal transfers. All of this takes longer, but if you have a plan and a good attitude, and do an excellent job for the company, you'll get there eventually.

Another thing to take into consideration is this: I don't know exactly what your major was, but there are skills that are in demand, and skills that aren't. Find a specialty that is in demand, and get certified. Yes it will cost you a little bit, but it will also make you stand out from the crowd, and you'll have something people want. Pick something hard. Study on your own and then take the certification exam. That shows that you can learn on your own.

Hope this helps -- I know it's really frustrating when you're starting out.

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That would be my take as well

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to First job for the new gra ...

I got my start in a sideways move to IT gopher from being a data entry clerk. They knew me, they knew I was keen, they knew I wanted to 'better myself' and they knew I wasn't shy about getting a few hours in.
Its amazing how many apparently unrelated skills you can pick up that will just gel and make you
You've got to do something anyway, sitting around in the house waiting for opportunity to knock, will leave you lonely and developing agraphobia.

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Internships plus non IT technologist

by Matthew Moran In reply to Fresh Graduated IT

I am currently sitting in a hotel in North Carolina. Yesterday and this morning I am speaking to IT/CIS/MIS instructors on how to boost course enrollments. One of the primary topics is the hireability of their students.

Internships are the single strongest method of IT grads getting the experience needed. The challenge currently is that businesses are hesitant to take on interns. They end up being a drain on the company. The result is that interns come in, run errands and other mundane tasks, and are not put on any type of projects.

One of the projects I am working on, as part of this boosting enrollments project, is a framework for internships. This will basically be a way for college & university IT programs and career centers to explain how an effective intership program should be structure to help the student and to benefit the company bringing them in.

Companies must be ready to provide some meaningful work to interns - but non-critical work. Perhaps reports that are not being created for management. An intern could write some reporting writing routines to work on basic programming tasks in a real world environment.

Interns, for their part, need to understand the role is not a babysitting, full-time training role. You need to make your internship work by helping the company come up with projects. You do this by seeing what is happening in the environment, seeing a need that is not yet being taken care of, and then asking to take that project on.

Also, my definition of an intern is an unpaid position - at least initially. When I bring on an intern, I might buy them lunch and pay for gas. My goal is to make them effective (a billable resource) in 1 to 3 months. Once they are billable, they are payable.

Don't wait for a company or your school to find you an internship opportunity. Approach local companies and approach them with your internship.

Also, don't get locked into the myth that the only effective internship is within a large IT department. In fact, I would be inclined to believe a better internship would be with a smaller consulting firm or a small business. You will get noticed more quickly and make great contacts. Also, they tend to be less rigid in their roles and responsibilities, providing easier movement between projects.

Matthew Moran
Blog: Notes From The Toolshed

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first job

by ericl_w19 In reply to Fresh Graduated IT

I disagree about finding a small company as first job.I gained tons of experience working at a small company.i had to run the servers and desktops and i was the main it learn lots very quickly.tho we did have an outside contractor for our servers if i couldnt fix it.i would sit with them to learn.

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Big X Firms

by ebeck In reply to Fresh Graduated IT

While small company biz will get you a ton of experience, starting a position as a recent grad for a big X firm (used to be big 6) is always a good option. As long as you get in and absorb as much as you can, then after 3-5 years you can look outside to start mid to long term spots at other companies. It's not as good as it used to be, but I still see many good positions requesting some number of years at one of these firms. It can fast track you to a higher level, but if you are a true closet techie, you will be better off digging for a pure IT ladder in a stable company. Consulting firms normlly rely on people skills heavily, and expect some salesmanship as well.
There are a ton of entry level gigs on the net - it just comes down to expectations for the $$ and job functions.

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