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    Getting a foot in the door


    by silvioandpauly ·

    Why do so many companies today NEVER get back to you after applying for a job? I mean, most you don’t even get the crummy postcard. Has corporate America forgotten what communication is?

    I recently applied for one via E-mail, then Monster, and a couple weeks later, I tried to call. I got the HR voicemail and never a call back. It gets me mad – I want to drive over and ask WTF!!!???

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    • #3293260

      I’ll tell you why

      by black panther ·

      In reply to Getting a foot in the door

      It’s the same in Australia. Respect, courtesy and moral ethics have been forgotten.

      Also because of the ‘technological advancements’ their are a lot more people competing for a lot fewer jobs. This means that it is not uncommon for companies to receive hundreds or even thousands of applications compared to say 20 / 30 years ago when they actually received a lot less and could afford to phone or send a letter back.

      Now they don’t even have the time / resources to do a proper ‘vetting’ system of applicants.

      By the time the ‘vetting’ is finished and they decide on an applicant there is a high chance the applicant has taken another job somewhere.

      Our demand for faster service, the introduction of the internet / global competition is partly repsonsible for the loss of jobs and a cut-throat world.

    • #3293151

      They don’t care

      by house ·

      In reply to Getting a foot in the door

      If you had gotten a response, it would have been a default message with your name after the words “thank you”. They scan for key words…then get more and more specific until they have it narrowed down to a handful of resumes. Those job sites are flooded these days. You would be extremely lucky to land a job there. Use it for reference only to find out where the jobs in your field are in hot demand.

    • #3293071

      Lack of common courtesy

      by obiwaynekenobi ·

      In reply to Getting a foot in the door

      The simple answer is that companies have no decency. They post jobs with ridiculous qualifications designed only to try and get the best employee for as little pay as possible (e.g. “$10/hour entry-level tech support position. MCSE prefered.”). Not only that but they use screening methods that, as was mentioned above, scan only for certain keywords. This happened to me more times than I could count; I applied for a job I was perfectly qualified for (or qualified a litle more than they wanted) and never even heard back from them, yet I still see the same opening being posted on the same job sites.

      Or if they DO call you in for an interview, it’s usually not even a real interview but some kind of test designed to, yet again, screen out good candidates over technicalities (case in point: One job I went to had me do an IQ TEST and the interviewer said she would only call back the high scorers. Guess I must have a very low IQ…)

      It’s very simply a lack of any courtesy on the part of the companies doing the hiring. All they care about is the bottom dollar and cheating honest people out of honest pay.

    • #3292991

      Process takes longer than it used to

      by gralfus ·

      In reply to Getting a foot in the door

      I found that when I was applying for jobs that it took months and not weeks to get a reply. I thought for a while that this was an abberation, but even a month or two after I got a job I received replies. This is due to the huge amount of applicants and processing that has to happen.

      I do echo the sentiment of the other poster who sent in an application, didn’t receive a reply, and the job posting is still there. That is just weird. I almost think it is a form of spam, and they are just looking for email addresses to scavenge and sell.

    • #3291050

      My experience

      by jamesrl ·

      In reply to Getting a foot in the door

      I was laid off in the Fall of 2002. At that point 17 years IT experience as Dept manager, project manager, QA, Desktop tech, Notes Admin – lots of good experience.

      I thought my skills would land me a job within a reasonable time.

      What I learned through experience is that the competition out there was and perhaps still is fierce. For every posting on Monster, there may be hundreds and in some cases thousands of responses. And many people apply to postings they are not even remotely qualified for – its a waste of everyone’s time.

      You have to do a lot of work to get your resume into the shape where you stand out above the crowd. You should also use your network of personal contacts to explore other opportunities outside of whats posted. Getting an interview from a big job board is like winning a lottery.

      I have rarely received notification that someone read my resume – usually only from an automated procedure. I have had people not return my call after a great interview and a reference check. I am used to get eager calls from headhunters, who once the read the resume, decide you aren’t worth talking to, and will never ever return your calls.

      Now I am a manager again, I’ve done 2 hirings through job boards. In both cases, I’ve chosen to do my own screening rather than have HR do it. I read every single resume, and I create a short list. Everyone on the short list has the right qualifications. If the short list is too small, I will keep the posting up.

      Once I have a reasonable short list(at least 10, less than 20), I will develop a list of questions to further refine the list. Either I, or my HR person will call the short list and ask the questions. Depending on the answers, I will develop the interview list(5-10). Its usually not hard to make the cuts – many people eliminate themselves.

      We have a developed process for interviews – standard questions approved by HR, multiple people to see etc. After round one, we usually have a second round where we see the top 2 or 3.

      We do communicate with everyone that has been interviewed. If someone calls, I answer, even if they were not chosen to be interviewed.

      I’ve been on both sides. Its not realistic for an applicant to expect a personal answer to a cattle call. I do think that people who are interviewed deserve a personal interaction.

      And the process takes longer than you probably imagine. At full speed ahead and devoting every energy to the task, it took me 2 full months from getting approval to getting the hire.


    • #3291047

      Reply To: Getting a foot in the door

      by matthew moran ·

      In reply to Getting a foot in the door

      Instead of asking why they didn’t call you back, I would instead focus on you being the one getting in touch with them. Even if they do not call you back the first time, second time, third time, etc. I would just put them back on a call-back every couple of days/weeks, etc.

      There could be any number of reasons. Perhaps the person who would get back to you is swamped, overwhelmed, disinterested, mean, lazy, left the company, etc., etc., etc.

      It really doesn’t matter the reason or lack thereof. Your job is to make contact – don’t leave it up to them.

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