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    Giving an Advance

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    by a.russell ·

    I have been managing a remote team of freelancers. The pay is on an as the work is completed bases.

    Recently, one of the freelancers sent an e-mail expressing some dissasisfaction with the difficulty of the task, and also requested the entire amount for the task he hadn’t completed in advance to pay some urgent debts.

    I phoned him, and he seemed to genuinely want to complete the work, and to be in fairly tight financial situation. He’s a nice sort of fellow. I offered to pay him a portion of his commission in advance, but he needed all or nothing.

    I opted for nothing because it didn’t seem pertinent for him to ask in the first place. I feel obligation towards him, but not responsibility for his personal finances. However it isn’t a good feeling.

    I am just wondering how more experienced managers out there would handle such a request. It would be easy if you were just a link in the management chain and could fall back on a policy from above, but when there is no higher power what do you do?

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    • #3215264

      Contract?

      by leee ·

      In reply to Giving an Advance

      You might already have a policy in place. Do your freelancers work under contract? If so, the terms should already be laid out.

      Unless this is someone you’ve known forever and have a deep trust with, I’d advise against the advance with a contractor. The fact that he made you an ultimatum says a lot; if he needed the money that badly, he would have been happy even for a partial amount. If you pay him all at once up front, he has no incentive to finish the job – or do it right.

      • #3215023

        Yes, he has a contract

        by a.russell ·

        In reply to Contract?

        Yes, I sent him a contract. The terms set out are that he will be paid within ten working days or satisfactorily completing his commission.

        • #3166621

          Professionalism

          by lizseal ·

          In reply to Yes, he has a contract

          The guy knew he had financial issues when he accepted the on completion contract. Because of that I wouldn’trust him to complete the work.

          I would only make an exception, if I personally knew that the person would follow through, and it was an amount of money I could afford to lose, if I had to turn and pay someone else to complete the work.

      • #3214944

        another key point

        by jdclyde ·

        In reply to Contract?

        he already sounded ready to bail.

        “expressing some dissasisfaction with the difficulty of the task,”

        This is NOT someone that I would have advanced even a portion of the money. You did the right thing.

    • #3215139

      Should be in the contract

      by maevinn ·

      In reply to Giving an Advance

      This is something that should definitely already be in the contract you have with this individual, outlining the full terms for when and how payment is to be expected. I may be willing to pay out for the percentage of the task that’s complete, but there is no way I would pay out the full amount of the contract with only part of the work done. And, depending on the project, I might not be willing to do even that. If it will cost me significantly more to find someone to pick up his pieces and finish the task, I’d say no way.

      Employees who issue ultimatums aren’t really trying to work with you.

      • #3215022

        I agree

        by a.russell ·

        In reply to Should be in the contract

        Yes, if I paid him out and had to find someone else it would be very inconvenient. Because it is an art job the next person might have to start over again so there is no conflict in styles.

    • #3215117

      Have to agree with Leee and Mavyen

      by tig2 ·

      In reply to Giving an Advance

      When it is me writing the cheque, I write based on the satisfaction of the contract terms. Period.

      The minute I step outside of contract boundaries, I am opening a liability risk. This is a bad practice. If the contractor leaves due to my refusal, I can validate the additional risk.

      When I have worked 1099, I have made very certain that the obligation of the corporate to pay is clearly defined. If they do not pay within the obligation terms, I simply do not work.

      If this person is expressing dissatisfaction in one breath and demanding full payment outside of the contract terms in the next, I am already suspicious of the motivation.

      Rest comfortably in the knowledge that you have done the right thing. I know that it isn’t resting easy, but you saved yourself a potential legal issue as well as the potential for shoddy work going forward.

      Deep breath. Part of the job and all that. You did the right thing!

      • #3215020

        Good Advice

        by a.russell ·

        In reply to Have to agree with Leee and Mavyen

        Thanks TigerTwo, that sounds like good advice. I view contracts as neccessary evils, though. I prefer good old fashioned gentlemens’ (or womens’) agreements, and actually enforcing the contract would be virtually impossible anyway, since the team is spread across the globe. I am aware that contracts are important -I have worked without one before and got my fingers severly burned myself- but keeping good raport is more important in my opinion.

        Thanks for the encouragement. It’s good to know I did the right thing, but it certainly didn’t feel too good declining him yesterday.

      • #3231425

        I agree with Tigger,Leee & Mavyen

        by gautam.sarathy ·

        In reply to Have to agree with Leee and Mavyen

        All of us want to help people whom we know but the issue here is that you are also answerable to your boss and you can not take certain risk. In case he is full time staff then advance of pay is OK.

        Rest assured you did the right thing.

    • #3215096

      I would suggest they go to the bank…

      by compootergeek ·

      In reply to Giving an Advance

      Sounds like they need a loan.
      Ask them, if they’ve tried borrowing from their bank?
      If it’s not in the contract, I’d shy away from offering money, most likely your funds are budgeted (just as tight?)

      • #3215019

        He’s Already in Dept

        by a.russell ·

        In reply to I would suggest they go to the bank…

        From what he told me, I don’t think a bank would help him. Perhaps a loan shark!

        It’s not that my funds are so tight that I can’t pay in advance, it was more an issue of whether it was pertinent or not.

        • #3214882

          same problem with small business

          by rsingh ·

          In reply to He’s Already in Dept

          .. debt, and such bad debt, that you’re driven to your employers to seek a loan on your recieveables, is a mark of bad personal management, and casts a shadow on an employees potential at his/her work.
          http://www.getcertified.in

        • #3213642

          Then you have the answer in your head

          by tig2 ·

          In reply to He’s Already in Dept

          Unfortunately, what you are battling is the heart. I will bet that you also volunteer for things and support charity. That is part of what makes you a good human.

          The hardest task we face in business is keeping the personal, compassionate side of our personality from conflicting with business reality. No one wants to be in a position where they have to watch another person go under.

          What is important for you to keep in front of your mind is your responsibility to the business. Which stinks in this case- it is hard to do.

          But consider this. He got himself into this trouble without your help. By rescuing him, you potentially rob him of a unique opportunity to grow and learn. Sometimes it takes extreme situations to experience that growth and learning. If he gets the “rescue” he is obviously looking for, all he learns is that someone will bail him out when he indulges in irresponsible spending. He may think that is a fine thing. I would rather learn the hard lesson so completely that I never forget it.

          Different angles sometimes improve perspective.

        • #3212395

          this is not your problem

          by lluthien ·

          In reply to He’s Already in Dept

          If the guy is a freelancer,
          he should be able to run his own finances without running into this kind of situations.

          if he can’t or doesn’t want to,
          he should be in employment.

          in contrast to what others said:
          the fact that he says the job’s too easy and adds that he wants to get paid now, doesnt necessarily mean that he wants to bail.

          he *might* just need extra cash and therefore ask for a more complicated – better paid – job.

          that’s his responsibility, to advance his career.
          BUT, that’s all he can do.

          asking you for money is just not done.
          you are a friend helping him out in fact,
          you’re not even his boss.

    • #3212403

      i think you did the right thing

      by hmx ·

      In reply to Giving an Advance

      your job is to get the project completed, not to be this guy’s personal banker.

      if he didn’t feel the job was what it was specified to be then he should call that out relative to the statement of work.

    • #3212400

      Contractor out of control…

      by david_w ·

      In reply to Giving an Advance

      I agree with most of the comments, if there really was a problem with the work package description then a costed change request would be in order and an advance is also acceptable.
      I would be concerned that his/hers unforseen finance pressure imply he ‘out of control’ and this could also mean that the work approach is the same. I guess the delivered work is going to be extra seriously examined / tested before payment?

    • #3212398

      NO PAYMENT FOR HIM

      by azzam.ahmad ·

      In reply to Giving an Advance

      I agree with you not to pay him. He does not have the right to force you to pay full. He should accept part of the amount. In such cases, if you paid him full, he will never complete his job.

    • #3231426

      Don’t feel bad!

      by rsanders ·

      In reply to Giving an Advance

      It reflects well on you that you care about others, in this instance I would not feel bad.

      You offered a reasonable compromise that he refused. As others have stated if you felt comfortable with his work it may be different, but if he was not comfortable with the terms of the engagement a different working arrangement should have been made at the start.

    • #3231420

      Points to consider

      by edouarda ·

      In reply to Giving an Advance

      1. You should stick to your CONTRACT and follow policy – Why should you jepordize your standing by not following the rules what reason will you give if he leaves or comes up with another excuse ?.
      2. His finnancial problem are not your concern he is and ADULT and made decision that he has to live with, unless you were part of those finnancial decisions you have no obligation to help.
      3. You should advise him to get COUNSELING IF HE IS DESPERATE.
      4.giving you an ultimatium is not the right attitude since he knows what his agreement is and now wants you to change it in mid stride for his benifit, will you do the same for everyone else ?. or will you start to show favoritism ?. again this seems to be one individual looking out for himself – I would be real carefull companies use contracts to show that they conduct business fairly and honestly, why even have the contract if you are not going to follow it.
      5.I think you should counsel him on what the issues are in not completeing the work, I can only imagine what management will think if they knew you actually went into re-negociating the contract terms by offering him partial paymet – Really stuipid move since the guy just insinuated the work is too hard, that would leave me to believe he cannot complete it. I wouldlet him know that per haps he needs help and that I will get another contract to help him.

      • #3231302

        A Little Harsh

        by a.russell ·

        In reply to Points to consider

        Wow! You are a tough cookie. Perhaps I’m too soft, but I like to be a little bit flexible. Most people never ask for anything and just accept the terms of the contract, so he put me in a spot.

        I’d have been more inclined to give him the money if he told me he was really enjoying his job and desperately wanted to go to a Chile Peppers concert, but I can see your point that sticking rigidly to the contract would prevent people from making unreasonable requests.

        I can’t tell him to take counseling. Neither of us is American, so we’ll have to resolve our problems without psychiatrists, lawyers or firearms 😉 (I couldn’t resist that)

        I am the management, since it is my own small company. Phew, I’m so happy I’m not going to get into trouble!

        • #3231293

          Americans and Debt Counselling

          by tig2 ·

          In reply to A Little Harsh

          Pretty common here. But you pay for the service.

          When you develop a history of being too flexible, for some reason the dogs of the world will find you. That isn’t to say that everyone is out to get you, only that you are perceived as being “easy”. Maybe not so good when the issue is contractual.

          Point is that I negotiate my contracts before I sign them. My goal is to get what I need to have and then insure that my client gets everythhing they paid for. I request signoff on all contractual milestones. Should a problem arise, we can all go back and look at the history and determine what the best solution is. If a scope change occurs that will change the nature of the negotiated contract, I require a change request that I put values to. If it comes back signed, I integrate it. If it doesn’t, we discuss it to insure that we are all still on the same page.

          Do I trust my clients? Sure. But implementing a tracking system and managing to the contract terms just insures that everyone gets what they are expecting.

          I am a bit surprised at any freelancer who doesn’t play by a similar set of rules- they keep you safe.

          So how did it go when you told him “no”? Any repercussions?

        • #3199270

          How It Went

          by a.russell ·

          In reply to Americans and Debt Counselling

          “So how did it go when you told him “no”? Any repercussions?”

          He’s fine now. Perhaps he misundestood the nature of the arrangement, or he didn’t actually read the contract before he signed it. Anyway, there haven’t been problems since, and he produces quality work.

        • #3231166

          Not just the Yanks

          by pmpsicle ·

          In reply to A Little Harsh

          Actually it’s not just the Yanks that are into Credit Counselling (aka Debt Counselling). Here in Canada Credit/Debt Counsellors need to be licensed and it is a self-licensing group (generally known as Insolvency Counsellors). So the profession is well established.

          Having said that, you also can’t suggest it to him here. At least you wouldn’t be allowed to if he were an employee – which he isn’t since you’ve stated that he’s a freelancer.

        • #3202184

          Freelance or Contract

          by rndmacts ·

          In reply to A Little Harsh

          You state in your first post that he his freelance but he does have a contract with you. I am also not American in that I come from Canada and there are two distinctions here for me. Freelance to my company is someone who becomes an employee for a short term employee similar to a temp. They are paid like my employees on a biweekly basis.
          A contract is something else, a retainer is going to be paid upon signing which entitles me to bug him until all deliverables are in my hands with a time schedule. This retainer never exceeds 20% of the contract or the amount I can comfortably afford to lose if there is no delivery. All deliverables are scheduled by time and amount of payment that will be made for such items. Upon delivery of the final product any moneys owed minus 10% of the total contract will be paid out. My particular policy is that all contracts be paid the next day after billing, my contractors like this arrangement and are always happy to work for me. The last 10% of the contract is always paid upon client approval or 30 days whichever comes first.

          Your friend may be a freelancer but when you signed a contract with them, the obligations changed. No bank will not accept a signed contract as collatoral on a loan.

          I commend you on caring about your friend, but I would also warn you that if a bank would not respect one of your contracts to give your friend a cash advance then you could have more legal problems than you know. My company and my livelyhood depend on the contracts I sign, either with clients or contractors.

          What worries me most about the situation was that your friend was worried about the difficulty of the project. These types of discussions are a clear sign to terminate the contract now and find someone to do the job properly. Your refusal to advance him a loan is well founded based on his capability to deliver.

        • #3199268

          “Work for Hire”

          by a.russell ·

          In reply to Freelance or Contract

          I think the correct way to describe the relationship is “Work for Hire,” and I haven’t paid a retainer. This sounds like a good idea, though, and I will implement your system of paying a percantage up front. In other regards, my contract is very similar to yours.

          I am in Japan, and the legal side can be quite different to Western countries. Generally, use of lawyers is frowned upon and you are expected to resolve disputes in a gentlemanly fashion. Laws are often vague so that authorities and bureaucrats have more power of discretion.

        • #3199251

          sounds like paradise.

          by lluthien ·

          In reply to “Work for Hire”

          “the use of lawyers is frowned upon”

          can we import that trait?

    • #3231257

      Far too generous an offer; what’s your policy?

      by kilbey1 ·

      In reply to Giving an Advance

      I think you were far too generous to even offer him a portion of his
      commission in advance. In 20 years of work, I have always
      understood advances as something to be frowned upon. The way I
      figure it: if he was that in debt, he should have taken you up on
      your offer, since in this case something is better than nothing.

      But beyond generosity, what is your company’s policy? How would
      you handle this if something like it came up again?

    • #3231243

      I think it was a fair offer

      by systems magician ·

      In reply to Giving an Advance

      I would have given him the same offer.

      You win some goodwill and he gets some financial
      help without putting your company at risk for paying in full without a completed project.

      I will watch out now for performance. The person might be resentful that you did not give in to the demands, may not give you a best effort.

      • #3231231

        What it comes down to is this.

        by shamus61 ·

        In reply to I think it was a fair offer

        What it comes down to is the following:
        1. The type of work being performed. You said it was art work. That is a lot harder to guage as milestones than an infrastructure upgrade or systems development because the final product is the only milestone most of the time. This is probably why there is a commission payment at the end.
        2. What your contract says. If your contract does not include partial payments then you need to obey that or other aspects of the contract can be questioned. If there is to be any change orders, you need tomake that very clear and specific as to what and why.
        3. Are you the final authority? do you have a bos sto kick this up to? Think on how you would present it to him/her. Would they ok this? If not then you can’t.
        4. Personal relationship with the contractor. Are you close to this person? Do you talk about items outside the work? Do you know anythnig about himoutside the scope of the job?

        All these things must be looked at. the fact that you offered him a partial payment and he refused is almost arbitrary. In the end you have to be guided by the items above and yourself.
        Personally with the information given I would not give him a loan.

    • #3231235

      Never pay full job up-front

      by scott365 ·

      In reply to Giving an Advance

      Never pay fully upfront for any freelance work. I am a freelancer and am very responsible with other people’s funds, but I’ve seen many a freelancer who take the money and run cause they don’t know how to handle money.

      I even had to stop doing business with one of the best co-contractors I’ve ever worked with because he was so deep in debt that he couldn’t keep his eye on the ball (the contract job is this case).

      My common practice is request half the funds up front, then request the existing funds after the project is complete and approved by the employer. BUT, before I hand the final product over to the employer I make sure that check is processed through my bank which is usually a 3 day process.

      I’ve been burned a couple of times with companies approving a project then saying they didn’t want to pay the final payment til the project was in hand, but those times are few thank goodness. I also do a lot of Googling before doing business with anyone (company or individual). I’ve found the 30 minutes of researching a company on the net is well worth my time.

      As a follow up to your question in the thread… You shouldn’t feel bad since his money problems are not your fault or responsibility. If he can’t handle money, he needs to get a good steady job for a few years while he builds a savings account. After his savings account is built up, he can take freelance jobs without worrying about where the next paycheck will come from.

    • #3231216

      Freelancer was unprofessional

      by foothillscg.com ·

      In reply to Giving an Advance

      I worked for a small software company when a contractor wanted to be paid in full before the work was finished, too. Turns out he needed to pay to stay out of jail. We saw him a few months later, but he blamed US instead of his own inaction for his incarceration. My boss found him another job in another city.

    • #3231153

      being in business

      by sr10 ·

      In reply to Giving an Advance

      Let’s split this in two: the scope of the task and the freelancer’s financial situation.

      If the person doing the work has uncovered details that cause him to believe the scope of the task is greater than he or you had previously believed, he definitely should present his case to you on its own merits. Then you can decide based on your knowledge, his presentation, the market, your relationship with this “vendor” and your business situation what you want to do about the problem (Even under the most favorable circumstances, I would segment or rescope the task or make progress payments rather than giving an advance).

      His financial difficulties have no place in the discussion. By nature of being a freelancer, he is in business. It is his problem to make his business go. Do you get to approach your customers and tell them that you need more money because you’re company’s finances are a shambles? Will your boss give you a raise if you are up to your armpits in debt?

    • #3231127

      Contracts, Fairness and Responsibilities

      by pmpsicle ·

      In reply to Giving an Advance

      You don’t actually mention what work he is doing in your initial post — although you do mention that it is artwork in a later post. So, if you will excuse me, for the moment I’m going to pretend that we still don’t know what the freelancer is doing.

      There are three types/timings of payments: advanced, progress, and completion. Each solves a different issue.

      The advanced payment exists to reduce risk on the part of the supplier. Will the client change their mind? Will they disappear? Will they not fulfill their promises? Will they not pay? By receiving a deposit up front (sometimes called a good-faith deposit) risk to the supplier is reduced.

      Progress payments exist to reduce both the finance cost and risk associated with providing services or materials over a period of time. By receiving payments roughly as costs are incurred, the supplier avoids risk beyond what they are willing to invest and also avoids having to finance the full cost of providing the product. What appears to be an advanced payment is often a progress payment in disguise (for example when materials have to be special ordered).

      Finally, completion payments exist to protect the purchaser. Often these are called hold-backs or guarantees. But they are always paid after the final delivery of the finished product.

      Why is all this important?

      All industries have a standard recognition of the risk balance involved (aka a standard payment scheme).

      For example, in small construction the payments (generally) consist of an initial combined progress (covering ordering the materials) and advance payment and a completion payment. So the risks being covered are largely associated with one or either party not completing the contract.

      In large construction, however, the payments generally consist of progress and completion payments. The risk of the customer not completing is covered off by the guarantor. The payment scheme instead is focused on reduced finance costs and supplier completion risk.

      The point is that your contract needs to provide for all three risk/cost types in order to be fair. Typically, the industry standard will provide the base for a normal relationship between them. You need to be aware of what constitutes a sufficient variance between them to justify a different payment scheme (the difference between large and small construction being an example). To be fair your contract needs to allow for these oddballs.

      Now to apply it to artwork. (For those of you wondering about the use of a week — most artists (even commercial ones) earn below the poverty line. Waiting three weeks for payment is about the limit.)

      Artwork is a nebulous term (my wife is an artist). A piece may take an hour or it may take months. There is a high risk that the client will bail (or more likely just not pay) and there is a high risk of the artist not delivering. So a mix of the advance and completion payment schemes are almost an automatic. Whether a progress payment is needed depends on the length of the project.

      If you are expecting commissions to take under a week then payment on completion is appropriate (presuming there are sufficient guarantees of payment). And your contracted payment scheme will reflect that.

      The point is that if a commission suddenly takes a month to complete, another scheme (progress) is more appropriate. And you may have to create milestones to balance the associated risks.

      Your contract needs to provide an upper limit in order to be fair. At what point does an alternate payment scheme kick in?

      That means that you need to be somewhat flexible with your existing contract.

      Having said that, it doesn’t mean paying in advance because the artist is in debt. It means adjusting your payment scheme appropriately to the length of the task set.

      So ultimately, you need to negotiate between the two of you. Is the work involved legitimately over the limit (in which case you need to partial pay)? Or is this just a case of poverty sucks? (In which case, you’re decision is much more complex).

      In any case, full payment just isn’t on since it leaves you with the full risk of his not completing the work.

      • #3199260

        Very Informative

        by a.russell ·

        In reply to Contracts, Fairness and Responsibilities

        Thank you for that information. Currently my contract is very simple. I have noticed that the larger jobs tend to drag on, and providing carrots for mile stones sounds like a good solution.

        There are often fees involved in paying people overseas, though, so lump payments work out cheaper. Japanese banks don’t have cheques, and direct bank transfers cost in the range of $50 at this end. Paypal makes life easier, but not everyone has a Paypal account.

    • #3231116

      My first reaction is you are rigt to say no

      by peter_es_uk ·

      In reply to Giving an Advance

      I work freelance, most of the time on fixed price contracts paid on results: my pricing reflects that – if I find a contract willing to extend interim payments I expect to drop my price (substantially) to reflect the reduced risk.

      • #3277230

        on a side note, where does a freelancer find jobs, do you subscribe to

        by unclerob ·

        In reply to My first reaction is you are rigt to say no

        a service on the net, if so please provide some info, I’ve always been interested in how this process works but never found any info on this

        • #3277168

          I have never found an IT job through the net

          by peter_es_uk ·

          In reply to on a side note, where does a freelancer find jobs, do you subscribe to

          I expanded my business by ‘word of mouth’ since 1998. I have tried agencies and the internet but never found them any use to me at all. The first big problem is getting that first contract – the next problem is getting the next contract – I think you can see where this is going … Freelancing is great fun and very rewarding but it is difficult and long hours – the trouble with working for yourself is you get a b**tard for a boss 🙂

    • #3202148

      Never pay all up front

      by gometrics ·

      In reply to Giving an Advance

      Not a good business practice for any service. A contractor’s personal finances are not your problem. I would have done the same thing. The “all or nothing” is suspicious.

    • #3199346

      Definitely did the right thing

      by lhadmin ·

      In reply to Giving an Advance

      I would agree with the other answers in this post. My concern also comes from his comment about how difficult the task is. What does this have to do with when you get paid? It would be different if he was disputing the amount he was being paid.

    • #3277314

      You did right…

      by tomk3212 ·

      In reply to Giving an Advance

      You did the right thing, both ethically & from a business POV.

      First off, you hit the nail on the head when you stated, “…I feel obligation towards him, but not responsibility for his personal finances”. His financial difficulties are HIS problem and NOT yours.

      Second, who’s responsible if he takes the money and doesn’t complete the work? YOU ARE!

      Everyone in a management position wants to be a nice guy/gal. However remember what Leo Durocher said about “nice guys”.

    • #3277232

      you’re not responsible for his personal problems…

      by unclerob ·

      In reply to Giving an Advance

      – he has some urgent debts, that’s because of his own personal problems and you are not responsible for them.
      – he hasn’t completed the work yet but requires his money in advance, all or nothing, sounds fishy to me, I would err on the side of caution and tell him that you’ll stick the schedule of paying for work completed
      – the work isn’t finished yet, he’s complained that the work is difficult, I almost get the feeling that he would take the money & run and you would never hear from him again and what kind of position would that leave you in
      – I get a paycheque every 2 weeks, if I stop coming in for work I won’t get paid, If I don’t do my work I won’t get paid, that’s how a typical job works: you work you get paid, my employer doesn’t provide advances to anyone, we all know when our pay arrives, we don’t expect it to come in any sooner
      – personal finance can be tough for certain individuals, alot of people budget poorly and don’t have enough money for today & tomorrow because of something they did yesterday, although you may want to help him I don’t think (just my opinion, the decision is yours) it’s wise to do this. Once you do it once, you may be asked to do it again, if not by this person maybe by another, it’s not a trend you want to set.

      I think you made the right choice opting for nothing and not providing an advance to this individual. It wasn’t right of him to ask or to let you know of his personal urgent debts because it wasn’t your business or responsibility.

      The role of manager often requires performing duties that may not leave a good feeling with you. You work for a company and they expect you to perform your job and to meet their expectations. Managing a team of people doesn’t require you to get deeplyl personally involved with them and doing so hinders your ability to manage them successfully and get your jobs done.

      I think you did the right thing.

      If you still feel bad maybe call this person and provide him with some info on debt mgmt solutions, maybe get him in touch with a financial counsellor, etc.

    • #3277221

      First Thing to consider:

      by michaela52802 ·

      In reply to Giving an Advance

      Is that you have no gaurantee they will complete the job as you said they are a “Freelancer” so you have to weigh in on a few factors like is this person dependable and do you trust them enough to pay for something you haven’t recieved yet.I personally feel you made the right choice

    • #3166840

      Get a Garantee

      by peterw ·

      In reply to Giving an Advance

      This is not an uncommon event amongst young and vibrant graduates. The trouble is they haven’t yet developed a real sense of responsibility. I have done this a couple of times,it worked once- 50% hit rate. The guys I trusted had great ability and wanted their work, but they couldn’t manage money. So I gave 50% up front and obtained a garantee of delivery of identifiable product. One guy honored his obligation and the other didn’t. If yoy like this guy’s ork and trust him it is worth a shot.

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      congratulations

      by bluron ·

      In reply to Giving an Advance

      you have passed a very difficult test many managers face at one time or another. what makes this a success is the fact that 1. you did not give in to his ultimatum. 2. you care. you care but did not allow yourself to be swayed into defaulting the contract. reading the posts at anothere page, managers are mean spirited, tightfisted, sleeping greedy creatures. it is very hard to be a great manager and a great person. sounds like you are doing both. if you had given in to him, then you would always be put into this position. good judgement on your part, and its good that you care. keep it up, you are doing very good.

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