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Giving up on Microsoft

By anthonyc ·
I have been an MCSE NT4 since sep 99 and I found out about 6 months ago that my the tests will expire at the end of this year. I don't have a problem with that, what I have a problem with is that they will expire my certification UNLESS I take the upgrade. The upgrade involves a 4 hour test for the initial core 4, plus an aditional core exam, followed by an elective (if you have IIS 4 or tcp/ip, which I have both). Thats a total of 3 exams at about 6 to 7 hours total. I don't have a problemwith that if thats what you want, but its unfair that if I don't upgrade my current certification will be invalid. I busted my but for this certification and after only 2 years they will take it away. Screw Microsoft and their certifications. I amnow going with Sun certification. And most others will expire the exams but not the actual certifications. I am MCSE for NT4 and I should be able to claim that for life.

What do you think? Preferabley MCSE NT4 discussion.

Anthony C

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by proxy_squid In reply to Giving up on Microsoft

Your certification only "expires" end of 2001 , the exams for the nt4 track will be retired end of the year .

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by proxy_squid In reply to Giving up on Microsoft

Your MCSE Cert will remain "current" till end of 2001 .Only the nt4 exams are to retire end of 2000 .

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Giving up on Microsoft

by Charles Forchu In reply to Giving up on Microsoft

What a shame! This means I will be in the same boat like you. Why worry about it. The certification is a piece of paper. Microsoft can take that away, but they will never take all your knowledge. I am not wasting any more time for any upgrades. I will do something else.

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Vendor Neutral Alternatives

by call.thegeek In reply to Giving up on Microsoft

I'd like to find out exactly how many MCSE's will choose NOT to renew their certifications and instead focus on other neutral alternative certifications. Granted, MCSE is a huge certification, but there are still many companies out there who have not migrated to Windows 2000 from NT4, that I would think that a prospective employeer running NT4 would welcome a MSCE...even if the certification was expired due to MS "saying so". I believe once you've got the certification for NT4, you'll always be able to support NT4. If you're looking at upgrading because your company has upgraded, then you need to upgrade your certification as well to support them...if your company requires it...if not, move on.

No, I'm not MSCE certified at all because of the above reasons. I'm finishing my Network+ and I-Net+ certifications instead.

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I agree completely

by stevep In reply to Giving up on Microsoft

You should be able to remain an expert on a level of product since unlike microsoft's wish... many companies stay at a level of software for many years. In my position i evaluate support services and am always suspicious of the newly certified professional. Certification is only good if you have the field experience to back it up.

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Careful what you wish for.

by O/Siris In reply to Giving up on Microsoft

I heartily agree. It's pretty obvious by your attitude that you have never looked at what an MCSE really is and always has been.

From Microsoft's own web site: "By earning the premier MCSE credential, individuals are demonstrating that they have the skills necessary to lead organizations in the successful design, implementation, and administration of the most advanced Microsoft Windows platform and Microsoft server products."

Or you could look at it from an even more basic level: What the heck does "MC" stand for? Maybe you should go look at Novell certifications, with their long history of retiring and upgrading certifications. Maybe you think MCSE was supposed to be an entry-level certification like A+ or Network+?

I don't doubt that you "busted your butt" for it. But that isn't just some piece of paper. It's a piece of paper that has Microsoft saying you represent their best and highest technology. You don't have to like it, and neither does your company, but you nolonger represent what Microsoft has wanted MCSE to mean. And the certification retirement is for that very reason.

Show me an equivalent certification that does NOT require recertifying.

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