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    Government Shakedown…again…

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    by ciscodaze ·

    This whole thing is so transparent
    its embarressing that the fellow who wrote this piece actually works for techrepublic…this is plane and simple a shakedown of APPLE by the anti business, anti free market by the this whitehouse and congress…open your bloody eye dude…even if there was a significant reception problem, what business does government sticking their unconstitutional nose in here?

    Remember toyota…remember after all the facts were in it turned out a bunch of morons were stepping on the gas peddle and not the brake?

    None of this is about some incidental tech glitch in phone…
    its about destroying jobs and prosperity and free market…PERIOD..

    oh and by the way, when all the government worshippers need their next piece of technology, have them call Chuck Schumer, Im sure a man who has never held real job or produced ANYTHING in his life can help them out.

    What a joke. Wake up dude.

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    • #2857218

      Its plain we don’t know what you are referring to

      by jamesrl ·

      In reply to Government Shakedown…again…

      Since you started a new discussion instead of replying to an existing one.

      But if you think that Toyota had no quality issues related to unintended acceleration, then you need to catch up on the news. Try Google.

      James

    • #2857212

      Mind telling us what you’re talking about?

      by charliespencer ·

      In reply to Government Shakedown…again…

      Maybe provide a link or story?

    • #2857192

      Oh-my…

      by dawgit ·

      In reply to Government Shakedown…again…

      Please don’t don’t tell me we have Anti-big-goberment-cup-a-tea-bagers here now.
      :0

      • #2857090

        cup-a-tea-bagers ?

        by maxwell edison ·

        In reply to Oh-my…

        Why do you want to disparage a whole lot of good-intentioned and principled people – all of whom, most likely, have absolutely no connection to this person – just because …….

        Just because what? I don’t dare try to answer for you.

        Were you trying to be cute? Why?

        Were you trying to make a point? Then make it.

        The politics of personal destruction is alive and well with you, dawgit (I’m sad to say).

        • #2856823

          I just wonder

          by tonythetiger ·

          In reply to cup-a-tea-bagers ?

          how many of them would be using that term if they knew what else it meant 🙂

      • #2857088

        By the way

        by maxwell edison ·

        In reply to Oh-my…

        I had no intentions whatsoever of posting a reply in this discussion,

        However, as an [i]”Anti-big-goverment”[/i] person who is very supportive of those who call themselves members of the [i]Tea Party movement[/i] in the United States……

        Are you painting me with the same brush?

        Go ahead, call me a [i]tea bagger[/i].

        • #2857036

          “Max, you’re a tea bagger.”

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to By the way

          Always happy to oblige 😀

        • #2857006

          I know you’re being humorous. . . . .

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to “Max, you’re a tea bagger.”

          …..but that’s an extremely disparaging term. It’s worse than disparaging – whatever that is (I need Santee’s thesaurus).

          When a person uses it to describe the current [i]Tea Party[/i] movement, it not only shows their ignorance, but their mean-spiritedness and disingenuousness. And it’s a clue to all that that person is either unable and/or unwilling to discuss issues from a reality-based perspective. It actually lowers the user of the term to its own low level.

          Why are [i]grass-roots[/i] movements a noble and honorable thing when they advance Democrat, liberal, or progressive causes – i.e. MORE government – but the [i]grass-roots[/i] movements that advance conservative and/or libertarian causes – i.e. LESS government – are disparaged in such a way?

          If you’re not totally sick and tired of the dishonest [i]politics of personal destruction[/i] that takes place, you’re either a participant or not paying attention.

          P.S. The term [i]teabagger[/i] precedes the current [i]Tea Party[/i] movement. And, in my opinion, it ranks right up there (or down there) with calling members of the NAACP a bunch of nig…… (And users of either one gets zero tolerance from me)

        • #2856995

          Historical quibble, and my opinion (and we know what those are like)

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to I know you’re being humorous. . . . .

          “Why are grass-roots movements a noble and honorable thing when they advance Democrat, liberal, or progressive causes … but the grass-roots movements that advance conservative and/or libertarian causes … are disparaged in such a way?”

          I don’t remember hippies being treated with much respect; look at the ’68 Democratic convention. On the conservative side, Newt Gingrich’s ‘Contract with America’ was both popular and successful.

          Me, I don’t think the Tea Party is going any farther than Ross Perot’s followers (and I was one). What I’ve seen locally is people letting off steam, but offering few real solutions. The movement seems to be more about what the participants are against, but very little about how to enact what they’re for. I dislike the ‘Throw them all out’ attitude; it’s tarring all incumbent with the same brush regardless of their record or abilities. I dislike inflexible ‘hard liners’ of all persuasion, and wish ‘compromise’ hadn’t become political blasphemy; each group is placing more emphasis on making the others look bad than on actually accomplishing anything.

          Without national leadership and organization (which apparently violates every principle of the movement), I don’t see the Tea non-Party movement affecting elections beyond this year.

          Edited: and we still don’t know what ciscodaze was ranting about to start all this.

        • #2856948

          what ciscodaze was ranting about ?

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to Historical quibble, and my opinion (and we know what those are like)

          He’s a troll, no more, no less – or a complete idiot. Either way, not worth the cyber bytes his message consumes.

          What got my goat, however, was someone who used this idiot’s message to disparage an entire group of people, totally unrelated to either that person or what he was rambling on about.

          As to the rest of your message, you make some good points, and you make others worthy of discussion. But I just don’t feel like it right now. Maybe later, maybe never. I pretty much said my peace, and that’s about all I’m gonna’ say.

          Whether or not dawgit wants to address the tens of thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of good people he indirectly insulted remains to be seen.

          Perhaps ciscodaze just should have been given [i]The Link[/i], which speaks volumes for itself (especially if your volume is turned up high!).

          For those unfamiliar with [i]The Link[/i], I post it for information and reference purposes only:

          http://tinyurl.com/yjm842

          Use it both sparingly and wisely for the best impact.

        • #2856924

          A couple of thoughts on grass-roots

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to Historical quibble, and my opinion (and we know what those are like)

          [b]Ross Perot:[/b] Not a grass-roots movement. Ross Perot announced his candidacy and formed the Reform Party, getting himself onto the ballots in all 50 states. In hindsight, I don’t believe he had any intentions of winning. His motives (in my opinion) were twofold: to create a platform to voice his ideas and concerns about runaway spending and debt; and to take votes from his arch-enemy, GHW Bush. He succeeded on both counts, although the former has fallen upon deaf ears. But voters like you and me bought into it, and by doing so, we also delivered the latter, sealing the election for Bill Clinton.

          [b]Newt Gingrich’s Contract with America'[/b]: You called it yourself; it was the brain-child of Newt, not any grass-roots movement. They sold their ideas, but they failed on the implementation.

          [b]Hippies[/b]: I wouldn’t call that a political movement, but rather a factor in massive social change. And whether or not they were [i]treated with much respect[/i], as you suggested, depends on one’s perspective and time-frame. Politically speaking, it could be argued that their anti-war protests resulted in an end to the Vietnam War without a declared victory. And then they cursed and spat upon the returning soldiers. I suppose the soldiers of the time didn’t view them with much respect. I find it ironic, however, that the anti-government hippies of the 1960s and 1970s are, for the most part, the big-government progressives of today. The hippie movement kind of segued into the Environmental movement.

          The [i]Tea Party[/i] movement will never be a political party, like the Reform Party was (at least I hope not). Conservatives and/or libertarians generally aren’t known as vocal activists. This is the first time it’s happened in my lifetime.

          And if America continues on its current road to more socialism, you might see more conservative and libertarian activists demanding a return to the principles of liberty that were intended for this country. And if America does continue on its current road to more socialism, prepare yourself for a second American Revolution – armed or otherwise.

          I can’t recall any time in history when people revolted in favor of less freedom and liberty. They always revolt for more. And the more that’s taken away, the closer we come to revolution.

        • #2856923

          For someone who didn’t feel up to discussing those points,

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to A couple of thoughts on grass-roots

          you certainly went at them in detail. Thanks.

        • #2856921

          For someone who didn’t feel up to discussing those points

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to A couple of thoughts on grass-roots

          What a difference four hours makes.

        • #2856920

          Call it what it needs to be called:

          by santeewelding ·

          In reply to A couple of thoughts on grass-roots

          Bloodbath.

          And, it may not be political. It may be economics. There simply is not enough money to pay for everything promised. It’s the stuff of war.

        • #2856918

          Santee is 100 percent correct

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to A couple of thoughts on grass-roots

          And we are racing towards our breaking point at the speed of sound. Perhaps too fast for enough people to stop and listen.

        • #2856917

          That’s my fault.

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to A couple of thoughts on grass-roots

          I didn’t reproduce the projected 2.3 children needed to maintain population levels, so it’s my fault there aren’t enough upcoming taxpayers to fund the ‘entitlements’.

        • #2856916

          It’s only your fault if . . . . .

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to A couple of thoughts on grass-roots

          ….. you supported the entitlements in the first place.

          Personally speaking, I never have, and I never will.

        • #2856915

          Palmetto: You used the word, entitlement

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to A couple of thoughts on grass-roots

          Define what it means.

          And then, define what that really means.

        • #2856875

          max, that’s why I put it in quotes.

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to A couple of thoughts on grass-roots

          Sadly, Merriam-Webster says:

          1. a: the state or condition of being entitled : right
          1. b: a right to benefits specified especially by law or contract
          2. a government program providing benefits to members of a specified group; also: funds supporting or distributed by such a program

          To me, it sounds like that’s also what most political speakers mean by the term too. I used the term facetiously, to indicate a government program that mandates who must pay into it and that redirects the money to those specified as program beneficiaries, regardless of those beneficiaries’ participation on the front end.

        • #2856852

          I guess this is appropriate here…

          by ansugisalas ·

          In reply to A couple of thoughts on grass-roots

          http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2550156453790090544#
          Money? What money? We don’t need no steenking money, here loan this offa me, and I’ll write you a writ for twice that, and put it in the vault, and then … what do you mean you don’t follow? Didn’t you take econolchemy 101?

        • #2856822

          Maybe the left should listen to one of their own…

          by tonythetiger ·

          In reply to A couple of thoughts on grass-roots

          “The friendliness and charity of our countrymen can always be relied upon to relieve their fellow-citizens in misfortune. This has been repeatedly and quite lately demonstrated. Federal aid in such cases encourages the expectation of paternal care on the part of the Government and weakens the sturdiness of our national character, while it prevents the indulgence among our people of that kindly sentiment and conduct which strengthens the bonds of a common brotherhood.” – President Grover Cleveland

        • #2856104

          Lindsey Graham agrees with you

          by nicknielsen ·

          In reply to Historical quibble, and my opinion (and we know what those are like)

          [i]On four occasions, Graham met with Tea Party groups. The first, in his Senate office, was “very, very contentious,” he recalled. During a later meeting, in Charleston, Graham said he challenged them: ” ‘What do you want to do? You take back your country — and do what with it?’ . . . Everybody went from being kind of hostile to just dead silent.

          “Graham earlier said: The problem with the Tea Party, I think it’s just unsustainable because they can never come up with a coherent vision for governing the country. It will die out.” Now he said, in a tone of casual lament: “We don’t have a lot of Reagan-type leaders in our party. Remember Ronald Reagan Democrats? I want a Republican that can attract Democrats.” Chortling, he added, “Ronald Reagan would have a hard time getting elected as a Republican today.” [/i]

          http://preview.tinyurl.com/24v5fst

          edit: Why doesn’t TR recognize special characters?

        • #2856100

          Yours is not to ask why.

          by santeewelding ·

          In reply to Lindsey Graham agrees with you

          .

        • #2856977

          Max, an honest question

          by mr_m_sween ·

          In reply to “Max, you’re a tea bagger.”

          I did a quick look up on wiki : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement#Tea_Party_agenda:_Contract_from_America

          Most of the stuff on the page I couldnt give a darn about, since I refuse to deal with anything other than fact. Since you seem more knowledgeable on the movement than I can you tell me if the goals of the movement are adequately defined in the section regarding the “Contract from America”?
          Also, perhaps you are aware of the actual official website since there seems to be multiple ones?

          I reserve my opinion on the group until I can analyze their actual goals.

        • #2856947

          There is no “official” contact, Web site, or office

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to Max, an honest question

          The [i]Tea Party[/i] is not an official political party, per se, but rather a political movement.

          In a nutshell, it consists of people who are sick and tired of government interference and control into their lives. It got its name from the Boston Tea Party, which was a symbolic protest during the founding days of our republic. I don’t know who first coined the term [i]Tea Party[/i].

          Less government, less taxes, more individual choice, more individual liberty, etc. Principles worthy of ridicule? I think not.

          George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, George Mason, Benjamin Franklin, et all, would all be enthusiastic supporters of such a movement. Today, however, they’d be ridiculed along with the rest of them. When did freedom and liberty become bad things to strive for?

      • #2857087

        dawgit

        by santeewelding ·

        In reply to Oh-my…

        Rue.

        And, it ain’t not only Maxwell.

        • #2857085

          My blood is boiling right now

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to dawgit

          I am so !@#$%^& sick of people who make such disparaging claims, who make charges of racism where there is none (can you spell NAACP?), etc…….

          I better go watch a movie, or something, before I post a message I might later regret.

        • #2857084

          Yeah

          by santeewelding ·

          In reply to My blood is boiling right now

          I remain aware of that latest stuff.

          Medicate. Something liquid in a tumbler. And take care to keep the ammunition separate.

        • #2857083

          Medicate?

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to Yeah

          Oh, so that’s what it is. I haven’t had a glass of scotch tonight.

          Okay, make it a double on the rocks.

        • #2857082

          People who resort to the politics of personal destruction

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to Yeah

          When it comes to debating real issues and principle, just like a snake, they haven’t a leg to stand on – or else they wouldn’t have to resort to such shameful tactics.

        • #2857081

          Calm down

          by santeewelding ·

          In reply to People who resort to the politics of personal destruction

          The Brethren will take over while you are thus indisposed.

        • #2857080

          Maybe . . . . .

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to Calm down

          ….. a Clint Eastwood movie!

          Pale Rider, perhaps. I haven’t seen that one in years.

        • #2857071

          Passion

          by ansugisalas ·

          In reply to Calm down

          of the Christ.
          Put your suffering into perspective.
          Suffer.
          Turn the other cheek.
          Suffer some more.
          It’s all good.

        • #2856907

          AnsuGisalas – Re: Passion

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to Calm down

          With all due respect, based on the conversations we’ve had in the past, I don’t think we have the same definition.

        • #2856847

          Of what?

          by ansugisalas ·

          In reply to Calm down

          Medication?
          I’m not a bad guy you know.
          It just seems like you’re caring too much about too many things. Hence Passion. It’s not healthy.

          If you want to watch something that supports your existing emotions of “what is this world coming to”, then Dirty Harry is probably ok. Or the passion, as mentioned.

          Or, widen your horizons, watch Ren and Stimpy instead. It seems like it’s dumbifying at first, but it’s actually like a self-contained neurosurgery ward. Clean those jammed synapses right out.

        • #2857075

          A typical tactic of the left

          by jackofalltech ·

          In reply to People who resort to the politics of personal destruction

          Since they can’t argue the issues, can’t denigrate a grass-roots political movement, they must attack the people themselves.

          It doesn’t matter that, time and again, the claims of racism, non-intellectualism, and snobbery have been provem false. You just can’t argue facts with people who don’t care about the truth – just their ideology.

        • #2857058

          If giving the befefit of the doubt. . . . .

          by maxwell edison ·

          In reply to A typical tactic of the left

          ….. since dawgit’s from Germany, knowing only what’s printed/broadcast in the German press, and I have no idea what that is, then …..

          Personally speaking, I’d randomly pick 535 names from the list of those who call themselves [i]The Tea Party[/i], and replace every member of Congress with the ones I picked.

    • #2857185

      Hysterical conspiracy theorist?

      by kenone ·

      In reply to Government Shakedown…again…

      A bit hard to tell given the communication failures. Literacy is so over-rated though.

      • #2857184

        Huh?

        by boxfiddler ·

        In reply to Hysterical conspiracy theorist?

        😉

        • #2857182

          Boxy’s here.

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to Huh?

          That means it’s official: this discussion is a playground! Me first on the merry-go-round!

        • #2857179

          WATER SLIDE FIRST!!!!!!

          by jaqui ·

          In reply to Boxy’s here.

          there, added the I to slide Palmie. 😀

        • #2857178

          SLDE?

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to WATER SLIDE FIRST!!!!!!

          Is that another one of those bizarre open source names, like GIMP or GNU? 😀

        • #2857176

          Sprinklers

          by gsg ·

          In reply to Boxy’s here.

          It’s so hot here that I’m wilting. Anyone want to come over and run through my sprinklers with me? I’ll provide the popsicles!

        • #2857000

          mmmm

          by purpleskys ·

          In reply to Sprinklers

          i like popcicles…and we have squirt guns…we could have scads of fun 😀 !

        • #2856999

          Are they

          by gsg ·

          In reply to mmmm

          Super Soakers? When I was growing up, we had the whimpy water pistols that always broke. We usually just ended up with squirt bottles.

          Ahhh, the good old days.. Running through the sprinklers, eating a popsicle, playing with my thousands of bubbles and giant bubbles kit. Then, when it was really hot, and mom wanted to make you take a nap, putting a blanket under a tree in the back yard and “pretending” to nap.

          I could use a nap right now.

        • #2856976

          nah

          by purpleskys ·

          In reply to Are they

          they’re just the whimpy water pistol type ones…our youngest is 6, she would spazz if she got smacked with a super soaker…my 12 yr old on the other hand, would be ecstatic, she has control of the water hose the other day and i was totally drenched.

          In my good ole days, we went swimming in the nearby river or lake when it was really hot and then we’d walk to the store two miles away and get popcicles. We would be gone all day, and back then, moms didn’t freak out when we were gone all day. No time for nappin’ back then either, too much to do 😉 !

    • #2857100

      Goats on fire! (nt)

      by seanferd ·

      In reply to Government Shakedown…again…

       

      • #2857086

        Oooh. BBQ.

        by boxfiddler ·

        In reply to Goats on fire! (nt)

        We need a drooling emoticon.

        • #2856944

          Yes, we do.

          by seanferd ·

          In reply to Oooh. BBQ.

          We also need a Goats on Fire! or similar emoticon to use for raving, ranting insanity.

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