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Guaranteed employment

By amjid.hussain ·
The people I am going to do an on-line MCSE with start marketing you after the first 7 months or so. They say that everyone has a job ready before they finish. Can training providers have so much esteem in the IT world so as to be able to persuade employers to take you on? Another training provider I considered were classroom based. They offered 4 months work as a trainer once you pass. Ths was guaranteed. Apparently only one person took them up on the offer - ever! they say this is because they MCSE graduates found better paid jobs anyway. These are people without experience. Having said all that - why is there so much gloom about an MCSE being useless due to tooo many people holding it?

I am new to all this so would appreciateany help in understanding this. Thank you


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I don't think so

by qomputek In reply to Guaranteed employment

thats all I have to say.

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How the guarantee works...

by eBob In reply to I don't think so

They only guarantee that you'll have a job. They don't necessarily guarantee that it'll be a good job, nor that it'll pay well.

Oh, what are you going to do if you don't have a job, per THEIR "guarantee"? Sue them? With what money? After all, youdon't even have a job!

As to how that other group offers to hire recent grads as trainers if they don't get a "real job". Wow! That scares the boxers right off of me! Think about it.

First, they admit that only one person has ever taken up that offer, the others all taking "better paying jobs". Easy enough to do if the trainer job is paying mimimum wage.

But the real scary part is: imagine paying a couple of grand (typically) for your course, to get you certified, and the ONLY experience the "trainer" has ever had was in the same course you're taking. (If this person had any real experience, then the certification would be worthwhile, and they would have a real job by now.) This sort of thing goes on way too often, and just continually dilutes the training experience.

I want all of my trainers to have real-world experience, thank you very much.

The organisation that I take most of my tech training from (yes, it's an ongoing thing) is also a "consulting firm". All of their trainers swing between training, and going out to customers to do actual real-world work. These people not onlyhave real-world experience, but it is current. In our world of systems, constantly changing, that gives me a warm and fuzzy.

Now having got off on that rant, I would say that some of the "guarantees" are interesting. And given a choice of 2 or 3 training facilities, I would consider those guarantees, among several other factors.

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...and a question of responsibility...

by eBob In reply to How the guarantee works.. ...

And one more consideration: "They" can train me all they want, but I was brought up to believe (in this context) that passing the exam, or getting the job, or whatever, is MY RESPONSIBILITY. If I don't succeed in that, it's MY PROBLEM. I absolutely HATE this "modern thing" I see where we can always blame somebody else.

"Their coffee was too hot, so when I went over the speed bump, at high speed, and spilled the damn stuff in my lap, it's THEIR FAULT."


"I picked up the running rotary lawn mower by the deck, with my edges curled over the rim, clearly in the path of the blade, so I could trim my hedge. Of course, it cut off my fingers. Clearly it's the FAULT of the manufacturer, your honour."


"I have no experience with computers, other than playing games and sending email, but I took this course and now I EXPECT to get this great paying job, but all I have been offered is some is some assistant techie job which barely pays minmum wage, which I obviouslyturned down, after paying these training people a couple of grand. It's clearly THEIR FAULT that I'm not I.S. manager at some cool company."

(As random examples..)

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eBob - You're the best!

by SixFourtyKilo In reply to ...and a question of resp ...

Someone (nameless) is sueing a local company (nameless) because the place she was working was robbed and she went on medical leave to recover from the incident. She didn't leave because she was hurt, but because of psychological damage done to her by having a gun held to her head. She refused to come back from medical leave because she claimed she had not recovered from the incident. She was let go. She believes its the fault of the company for not providing adequate security, but medical and psychological attention was immediatly provided after the incident.

This is kind of the same situation, but it is growing and is truly out of hand.


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Comp. training awful-look at your doctor

by rbmooney In reply to eBob - You're the best!

I was stunned to learn that my friend's critical eye surgery was done by a salesman from this med. equip. company, who often demonstrates his full equip. line in operatories while the surgeons look on "oohing and aahing." Yes, that's the new schoolfor surgeons: their surgical suites! IT p[rospects must at least go to some "teaching firm" who may or may not know what they're doing in the many aspects of actually helping their IT-to-be clients achieve advertized goal and the unrealitic expectations of the many naive trainees. Just goes to show you what American market-place adaptability will do to separate you--the inexperienced--from your money! Be on guard, read their contracts, ask questions, and talk to their references. Then call your nearest and best universities!

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Think about it

by epepke In reply to Guaranteed employment

If you need a job that badly, how are you going to pay for an attorney?

If they didn't charge you until after they did get you a job, I'd be much more impressed.

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Market forces

by generalist In reply to Guaranteed employment

If you have too many people with a set of skills or certifications, then market forces will drive down the potential wages of those people.

The way I view it, if you have an MCSE or other certification, you have something that shows you can at least pass the certification tests. That puts you a notch above those who haven't passed the tests, at least in the eyes of many Human Resources department.

Having the certification is NOT necessarily a ticket to a higher paying job though. If toomany people have the certification, the HR department can look for a person who meets the job requirements AND is willing to accept less pay than others with the same qualifications. That, I believe, is what a lot of people worry about, especially if they have spent a lot of money getting the certifications.

With that in mind, I sometimes wonder if the theoretical IT worker shortage is more a case of not having enough low cost IT workers. If an organization advertises an IT job at a salarythat isn't competitive, they won't get very many replies. And if the organization is also looking for extremely specific skill sets, they'll run into the same problem.

The net result in the above situations is that there is a perceived lack of IT workers.

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Short of IT professionals - No Way

by T Bowman In reply to Market forces

I have been actively searching for a job. I am finding that every IT opening in this town of some 500,000 (metro area) generates over 300 inquiries in the first week to 10 days alone. Also, I've had two good prospects where I felt I had the job because of inside contacts. In once case, the job was frozen indefinitely and the other - the manager was forced to fill it internally with an unqualified individual because another group was being downsized... There's plenty of us out there looking and lobbying for few job openings.

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Theoretical shortage

by generalist In reply to Short of IT professionals ...

That is why I keep adding 'theoretical' and other terms to my postings about the IT worker shortage.

I have been in a similar situation in the not too distant past. There was one instances where, in the same week, I received notice that a pair of jobs I was looking into were put 'on hold' for several months.

Personally I would really like to see the raw stats that various groups use to justify the statement that there is an IT worker shortage. I know, based on training, how easy it is to bias data when dealing with statistics. I also know that it is really easy to bias data from the interviewee's end.

For example, if you want a survey to 'prove' that there is too much regulation of business, ask a group of Libertarians. But ifyou want the survey to go a different direction, ask a group of people who have been injured on the job.

I'm hoping that the survey groups are honest and above board with their surveys. But there is always a chance that they aren't.

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IT Worker Shortage, My *** !

by Pandadude In reply to Theoretical shortage

That's the biggest, filthiest lie.

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