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Hackers and hacking: what is your opinion?

By creative8008 ·
First lets define what is hacking and who is the hacker

Hacker
A person who enjoys exploring the details of computers and how to stretch their capabilities. A malicious or inquisitive meddler who tries to discover information by poking around. A person who enjoys learning the details of programming systems and how to stretch their capabilities, as opposed to most users who prefer to learn on the minimum necessary.

Hacking
Unauthorized use, or attempts to circumvent or bypass the security mechanisms of an information system or network

Well lets look at the hacker side, what is the motive for him? Does he try to prove to others how clever is he? Okay after he cracks a program or a site or what ever isn?t that a useful alerting tool to programs and applications programmers and designers to improve the weak points in their projects?

In your opinion shall those people treated as criminals because the breaks systems or applications security or Geniuses because they discover the black holes and bugs that wakes up programmers to recover?

What do you think?


Regards.


** Note : The defenetions are from this glossary
http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/ld/pubs/compsecurity/glossary.html

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learn the terminology

by apotheon In reply to Hackers and hacking: what ...

A hacker is not "A malicious or inquisitive meddler who tries to discover information by poking around." Hacking is not "Unauthorized use, or attempts to circumvent or bypass the security mechanisms of an information system or network". The terms you're looking for are cracker and cracking, unless you're a member of the willfully ignorant mainstream media or the woefully uninformed public.

I recommend you check out the definitions for "hacker" and "cracker" in RFC1392 (the Internet users' glossary), the Jargon File glossary, and FOLDOC (Free OnLine Dictionary Of Computing). I'm sure you can find all three on Google easily enough. These are the three most authoritative references on computer-related jargon available. If, after reading their definitions of "hacker", you still don't get it -- well, then there's no hope for you at all.

Try to avoid comparing those of us who have been called "hacker" in a positive manner by colleagues we respect to those subhuman invertebrate nitwits who think it's fun to vandalize others' systems and violate others' privacy.

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Answered without Courtesy

by LCM Man In reply to learn the terminology

Apotheon actually answered the question. However, you could have considered this a moment to educate the public about the differences between hackers and crackers. Instead you choose to put down the "woefully uninformed public" and try to put yourself on a pedestal (just because you work for rocket scientists does not make you one).

The purpose of Tech Republic (as I have interpreted it) is for fellow colleagues in the IT community to provide tips, tricks advise and a little education were needed and requested. We all have our area of expertise and have become members of this site to lend part of that to anyone who asks.

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Misunderstanding !!!

by creative8008 In reply to Answered without Courtesy

I dont know but mybe there is misunderstand from your side about my point in this discution ..

first of all i have got the defenetions from this glossary
http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/ld/pubs/compsecurity/glossary.html

second thing that im tring to know what is other opinion in this issue not to put my self on a " pedestal" or to put down the "woefully uninformed public" its a discussion that any one can propose and if you and Apo. think that i did a wrong thing by posting this discussion its your opinion and i respected.

""The purpose of Tech Republic (as I have interpreted it) is for fellow colleagues in the IT community to provide tips, tricks advise and a little education were needed and requested. We all have our area of expertise and have become members of this site to lend part of that to anyone who asks"" also there is lots of discussions not only mine that discussing other issues not only provide or get technical assestant as what i know ..

Thanks all
Best Regards.

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Use the correct dictionary

by rmccloud In reply to Misunderstanding !!!

I think that RFC1392 is, hmm, just a little bit more authoritative a source for computing definitions than, say, a texas library archive.

Call me crazy, or an elitist. Or maybe I'm just woefully uninformed...

Ric

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er, sure

by apotheon In reply to Answered without Courtesy

I don't see how referring to the "woefully uninformed public" is putting someone down, but you go with that if it makes you feel more warm and fuzzy inside.

I didn't put myself on a pedestal. I didn't mention working [with] rocket scientists in that post. What's your issue?

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Ok, lets get sensitive...

by Rascal1981 In reply to er, sure

And provide useless information with oh so witty commentary.... You know the biggest problem with the IT field is elitist (and those that are sensitive to such subjects as hacking and cracking and react aggressively) such as yourself who seem to have an inability to dispense information without criticism and sarcasms and its becoming more and more frequent on this board. If you are going to dispense information, how about doing it in a constructive form instead of wasting the rest of our time with insults and abusive sounding language. Finally please do not play na?ve; anyone can go back and read what you read and gather the same tone and context from your message.

Regarding the overall topic of this conversation; I would say that the difference, REGARDLESS of mainstream definition (or what Google and the news media say) is the use of the knowledge as applied to the application. In other words, if you are committing a crime, it?s a crime and there is no way around that and no way to justify it.

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sensitive about elitists who "dispense information"

by Absolutely In reply to Ok, lets get sensitive...

Rascal1981: "You know the biggest problem with the IT field is elitist (and those that are sensitive to such subjects as hacking and cracking and react aggressively) such as yourself who seem to have an inability to dispense information without criticism and sarcasms and its becoming more and more frequent on this board."

You're completely wrong. The biggest problem with every field is the assumption that ignorance should not be answered with insult; that intelligence is not superior to stupidity; and that deference should be shown by elites to our intellectual inferiors; that those who know the correct answer are utilities or appliances whose only purpose and function are to "dispense information" to mindless trash who haven't the discipline and integrity to get it right. Knowledge is gained by effort, and is just cause for pride. Knowing more than almost everybody else is just cause for elitism.

Creative8008 is posting about IT on pages for IT pros. Knowing that, the individual using the name Creative8008 should expect that if he is incorrect about IT and its specialized vocabulary, professionals who take our ability and effort seriously will insult him appropriately for pretending to be something he is not.

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climbing the ladder gives right.....

by Rascal1981 In reply to sensitive about elitists ...

So the higher I climb, the more I can step on the people below? Wow and I thought that the purpose of education was to inform and not use as a whipping stick for those that are uninformed. Do you verbally insult your children for their mistakes as well? Do you degrade your fellow employees when they ask a question that may seem obvious to you when at one point you might (who knows you could be a genius) have not known? My point being that education does not have to be a painful process as self proclaimed elitest seem to think it needs to be. Perhaps if the self proclaimed elitest took more time to explain and educate the lesser informed on how to acquire the answer rather then produce machine like responses with insults then their would eventually be an established pattern rather then the knowledge that a person can get an answer from the "utilities or appliances" that dish them out with an insult. Hey if all they have to bear is an insult for an answer then I am not so sure that people will be detoured that way.....

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get a grip

by apotheon In reply to climbing the ladder gives ...

With that army of straw men you're constructing, you could conquer a small nation.

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I am not the "elitest"

by Absolutely In reply to climbing the ladder gives ...

Nor am I the most elite, which would be correct. But I may, in some cases, be "elitist". I believe that achievement is worthy of respect and that lack of achievement is not. You decide whether that makes me "elitist". Meanwhile, I will decide for myself what achievements of mine define me as "elite".

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