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By melina_soemanto_putri ·
I am trying to make a backup data from my hard disk that has "Bad Block" problem by copying them to another hard disk.
But aside form Event I 7 Error: "The device \Device\Harddisk1\D has a bad block" (I know Harddisk1 refers to my hard disk that has "Bad Block") some other events appears:

1.Event I 26 Warning:"The driver has detected that device \Device\Ide\IdePort0 has old or out-of-date firmware" Reduced performance may result" I wonder why this event appears, I used my hard disk before get a bad block and never get this event.

2.Event I 51 Warning:"An error was detected on device \Device\Harddisk1\D during a paging operation"
3.Event I 9 Error:"The device, \Device\Ide\IdePort0, did not respond within timeout period"
4.Event I 11 Error:"The driver detected a controller error on \Device\Ide\IdePort0" This event only appears 1 time,though.

I wonder what the cause of these events appearing (it is just because my hard disk that has "bad block" or there is another cause aside from it).

And what should I do with the hard disk that reported has a bad block? (Does formatting it resolved this problem or should I get a new hard disk)

If I choose get a new hard disk, will the Bad Blocks appears as soon as possible in my new hard disk if I copying my backup data (the data that was copied from the hard disk that has "Bad Blocks" to the hard disk that was used for backup) to my new hard disk?

If not, how many long that new hard disk will get "Bad Blocks" problem?

The last thing I want to know, what is the real cause of "Bad Blocks"? Because my PC has a hard disk that is almost 6 years old and doesn't get a "Bad Block" and My brother has an exactly same type of hard disk that mine which has "Bad Blocks", but he doesn't get this problem, my hard disk that has a "Bad Blocks" and my brothers is bought on same day.

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re: bad blocks

by ThumbsUp2 In reply to Hard disk problem

Everything you are experiencing are symptoms of the same problem. Bad blocks are caused by hardware failure. This can happen on a brand new hard drive, or one that's 15 years old. Age doesn't matter. Some last longer than others, but they will all eventually fail. No hard drive is immortal. It has moving parts that simply wear out.

If it's not already too late, copy your data (not programs) to a CD or thumb drive (USB flash drive) as soon as possible and then replace the hard drive. Bad blocks are a sign that it doesn't have much longer to live.

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Weird bad sectors

by melina_soemanto_putri In reply to re: bad blocks

I've used HDDScan on my H
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p320/sepirotica/Disk1.jpg

It's really weird, I don't have any "weak" sectors but I have 173 bad sector/bad blocks.

The SMART test is also weird:
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p320/sepirotica/SMART1.jpg

It show attribute 187 and 189 as OK, but it should be:
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p320/sepirotica/SMART2.jpg
Look the differences in attribute 187 and 189. This is the SMART Test in same type of HDD that don't have bad sector/bad blocks, it has one "weak" sector though.

Should I just change my HDD after backing recoverable file?

Btw, when I'm trying to copy file form that HDD to another one it shows some events in Event Viewer:
1.Error Event 9 "The device , \Device\Ide\IdePort0, did not respond within timeout period"
2.Warning Event 51 "An error was detected on device \Device\Harddisk1\D during a paging operation" (Harddisk1 refers to hard disk that has bad blocks).

It is caused by only by the HDD that has a bad block (shown in the first link) or there is another cause like the cable or another?

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The more you test this HDD, the more you damage it ...

by OldER Mycroft In reply to Weird bad sectors

Therefore the more you try to 'repair' the hard drive the more chance there is of the damage becoming worse.

You should remove this hard drive for the moment. Buy a new hard drive and install your OS onto THIS new drive.

Once you have a fully operational bootable operating system, you can re-attach the old drive as a slave, and attempt to copy whatever files are still intact, over to your new hard drive.

You should only be trying to copy DATA since existing programs will NOT work on the new hard drive since the new hard drive will not have any Registry Entries for the old programs.

Remember: once a hard drive begins to break down, it will only continue to get worse.


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The hard disk with "bad block"

The hard disk with the "bad blocks" is not where I'm install my Windows.

But should I reinstall my Windows to be safe?

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The 'bad blocks' will only continue to get worse ...

by OldER Mycroft In reply to The hard disk with "bad b ...

The best course of action is to STOP using this hard disk until you have a NEW hard disk drive in place with Windows installed on it.

You can then transfer DATA (letters, pictures, music etc) onto the new hard drive.

ANYTHING you do to the 'bad blocks' disk is only shortening its usable life. Stop using it.

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Windows is not installed in the hard disk with "Bad Blocks"

The Bad Block is not happened in my HD that Windows was installed.

This problem happens is my another HD in my PC.

There is 3 HD in my PC,
One is where Windows installed (Even it is 6 years old, it doesn't have any Bad Blocks), One with Bad Block (I just bought it 15 months ago) and one which is my brother's (the same type with my HD but his doesn't get Bad Block problem, was bought on the same day with my HD that has Bad Blocks problem).

Now I'm only backing up my data because there is so much important data in it (about 120GB) and I'm still not adding any more data to my HD that has Bad Blocks.

Or you said I shouldn't backup?

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Well the first thing is how you copy the drive over

by OH Smeg In reply to Hard disk problem

If you use a Block by Block Copy method it will copy over a Bad Block to the Next Drive and this will react like a Bad Block though it isn't actually bad.

Now to get into the meat of your question a Bad Block occurs because the Magnetic Covering on the Platter either gets damaged by the drive being vibrated, bumped or otherwise moved or the covering on the platter wasn't correctly applied and starts to lift off the platter. When the Magnetic Covering is gone or otherwise damaged you get Bad Blocks in the section of the Platter that is affected. If the Bad Blocks are spread over the platter the Heads have touched the platter intermentilly but if all the Bad Sectors are located close together on the platter the magnetic material has started lifting off the platter and the drive is closer to total failure than ever.

The other thing that can happen to a HDD is that because these run very hot if they are placed in a area where they can not cool properly like a Plastic USB Case or are not screwed into the metal Chassis of a Desktop computer tightly the drive can not move away the heat produced properly. In any computer what you bolt the HDD to acts as a Heat Sink to liberate the heat that the HDD produces running. Anyway if the HDD overheats the Electronic Components on the circuit board that drive the HDD will be degraded slightly and the longer that this is allowed to happen the more that the components will degrade till they no longer work and the drive stops working all together.

I would suggest using some form of External Storage Media and coping all your Data & Settings over to this external Media.

Then replace the drive load the OS, Drivers for your computer is necessary and then your software. You can Import or Copy the Data & setting back to the computer after it is loaded.

I wonder what the cause of these events appearing (it is just because my hard disk that has "bad block" or there is another cause aside from it).

This is happening because the HDD has suffered some damage and if left will only get worse and may fail totally depending on where the Bad Blocks are developing.


And what should I do with the hard disk that reported has a bad block? (Does formatting it resolved this problem or should I get a new hard disk)

Answer Copy your Data & Setting of it and replace it and No Formatting will not fix this problem the drive has suffered some form of Physical Damage.

If I choose get a new hard disk, will the Bad Blocks appears as soon as possible in my new hard disk if I copying my backup data (the data that was copied from the hard disk that has "Bad Blocks" to the hard disk that was used for backup) to my new hard disk?

If you do a Bit by Bit copy or clone of the HDD then you will get reported Bad Blocks but if you just use normal copy or Clone software you will not get any bad blocks unless you subject the drive to something it wasn't designed for. Like placing in on a unstable desk that moves when you are using a Bubble Jet or Dot Matrix Printer or hitting the HDD with a Screwdriver/Hammer while it is running.

If not, how many long that new hard disk will get "Bad Blocks" problem?

The drive will last as long as it lasts. This time will vary depending on who makes the HDD and how it is used. The better the drive and the better it is looked after the longer it lasts generally speaking and this time is measured in Hours of Running not days or Years of owning something. If the drive was never used and was placed in a safe for 20 years that wouldn't make it any more reliable that a drive that is used 24/7 for 5 years and then failing.

If not, how many long that new hard disk will get "Bad Blocks" problem?

Any HDD will only get a Bad Block when something happens to the Magnetic Covering on the Platter. If the heads come into contact with the platter 2 nanoseconds after the drive is powered up that is how long it will last. If the Magnetic Covering of the platter starts to lift off 25 years after the drive was made that is how long the drive will last.

The last thing I want to know, what is the real cause of "Bad Blocks"? Because my PC has a hard disk that is almost 6 years old and doesn't get a "Bad Block" and My brother has an exactly same type of hard disk that mine which has "Bad Blocks", but he doesn't get this problem, my hard disk that has a "Bad Blocks" and my brothers is bought on same day.

The Magnetic Covering on the Platter gets damaged this is the Real Problem As to how long before this happens it is measured ion Hours of use so if in this case your brother only uses the computer for a hour a day and you use yours for 3 hours per day your is three times as old as your brothers and that much closer to failing. You need to measure the life of things liker this in Up Time or Running Time not in years owned as this isn't a accurate way to describe use of the item. So treat this just like any other piece of Plant in a Production Environment, consider the time it is actually In Use typically a multi million Dollar Bulldozer is considered as severely damaged after it has 4,000 Hours of use so consider how long you have run that HDD over a 6 year period and count yourself lucky that it has lasted this long.

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More explanation please

Questions:
1.What do you mean by Block by Block Copy?

I'm using normal copy method in my Windows to my External HD, but sometimes:
a.I get a warning paging error on my hard disk with bad block, but the file can still be copied to my External HD.
b.The file can't be copied or the copy process stopped in middle of copying usually it give me file corrupt or CRC error.

Does the CRC error cause by the Bad Blocks?

2.After reading your explanation,I wonder what caused the Bad Blocks in my HD, because there is three HD in my PC.

The first HD is the one I used since about 6 years ago. It's is where I install my Windows, till now it never has a Bad Block Problem, now it still doesn't and it doesn't have any Weak Block/Weak Sectors too.

The second HD is the one where I have the Bad Blocks problem.I don't think it's cause by overheat, SMART test result this HD has lowest temperature (41 C). And I don' think there is any vibration/bumping, if it happened, don't the other two HD get the same thing (Bad Blocks)? But they don't.

The third is my brother HD that was bought on same days as my HD with bad blocks and has same type as I posted before.

So I think could another Hardware caused it? Like Old Motherboard (MOBO), the Cable, IDE Controller, or the others? Or the HD is failed from the production?

3.The hard disk with Bad Block is not where I installed my Windows. But should I reinstall my Windows? Could I backup my registry first?

4.My brothers HD has 1 Weak Block/Weak Sector, should I make a backup of his HD?

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more information

by ThumbsUp2 In reply to More explanation please

Quick and simple answers to your questions:

(1) If you're using Windows to copy/paste, you're not using block by block copy. And, yes, CRC errors CAN be caused by bad blocks. CRC errors mean the file that was copied (or attempted to be copied) does not match the file that would be pasted. So, it doesn't paste.

(2) For now, leave your brother's HDD out of the picture. What happens to his HDD is NOT related to what happes to your HDD, even though they may have been purchased at the same time, they're from the same manufacture and they're the same model. It's no different than buying two brand new blenders at the same time. You plug them both in and one works but the other doesn't. Each device is unique and you can not relate problems with one device to another. Some fail, some don't. Some fail sooner, some fail later. Eventually, they ALL will fail. Now, if it's your second HDD that is failing, as previously mentioned.... STOP USING IT. Copy what you can from it and remove it from your system. If you can't copy files, forget them and move on. Quit playing with it before it's too late. Other hardware has absolutely NOTHING to do with a HDD that is failing. The fault is in the drive itself.

(3) You don't necessarily need to reinstall windows on your primary drive if the one that has bad blocks is simply a data drive. However, if you have installed programs on that 2nd drive, you will need to reinstall them after you have either replaced the drive or moved your data to your 1st or 3rd drive.

(4) If your brother's HDD has already developed one bad block, it will eventually fail like your 2nd HDD. Please note, in all of your previous posts you keep refering to your brother's HDD as not having any problems. Yet, you now tell us that it has one bad block. The fact of the matter is, your brother's HDD DOES NOW, and will continue to have, bad blocks. The problem will only get worse. Get rid of both drives right away.

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Question about more explanation

by melina_soemanto_putri In reply to more information

1 and 2. When I'm copying my file from the HDD that has Bad Blocks, Windows sometimes gave me some events in event viewer:

a.Warning Event ID:51 Source:Disk An error was detected on device \Device\Harddisk1\D during a paging operation
b.Error Event ID:9 Source:atapi The device \Device\Ide\IdePort0, did not respond within timeout period.
c.Warning Event ID:26 Source:atapi The driver has detected that device \Device\Ide\IdePort0 has old or out-of-date firmware.Reduced performance may result.
d.Error Event ID:11 Source:atapi The driver has detected a controller error on \Device\Ide\IdePort0.

I'm asking question number 2 because these events appear in my event viewer. (d) only appear one time, (c) appear several time, (a) and (b) mostly appear. But sometimes, they doesn't appear. So, I'm thinking it appears when I'm copying files that near Bad Blocks.

Does these event only cause by the HD that Bad Blocks like I'm thinking or there is something else that also has a problem? Microsoft Website doesn't help me.

3.Does I have to reinstall my programs that was in my HDD that has Bad Blocks. Or I could just copy them to appropriate path in new hard drive considering the registry is still intact where Windows installed.

4.My brothers hard disk doesn't have bad blocks. It only has 1 weak block (>500ms to access that block). What should I do?

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