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Heads you win, tails I lose - all based on a false premise

By maxwell edison ·
Global warming will destroy the planet. No, on second thought, since the global warming claim has been debunked, it's now climate change. Therefore, when it should be cold, but it gets colder; and when it should be warm, but it gets warmer; then that's proof of man-made climate change. And when it should be warm, but it get colder; and when it should be cold, but it gets warmer; then that's also proof of man-made climate change. In other words, regardless of what happens, it's proof of man-made global warming and/or climate change. Heads you win, tails I lose. How convenient!

And it's all based on the premise that the global temperature and climate patterns are static - even though the history of the globe shows that global temperatures and climate patterns are dynamic.

One word describes the whole issue: Lunacy.

Three words: Lunacy run amok.

Three different words: Lunacy with power.

Two words: Be careful.

Three words: Be VERY careful.

I've said it for years, and I maintain the same position: The notion that human activity is affecting the global temperature and/or climate patterns is the biggest lie perpetrated in the history of mankind. Okay, I'll admit, some of the historical religious claims might come close. But then again, what's the difference?

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One of them

by santeewelding In reply to Heads you win, tails I lo ...

Is the difference that makes a difference.

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Can you support it though?

by Oz_Media In reply to Heads you win, tails I lo ...

" since the global warming claim has been debunked, it's now climate change"

They are the same thing. A sales rep is now called an account manager. An old age pensioner is now called a senior citizen. This doesn't mean sales reps were proven false old old age pensioners no longer exist.

"Therefore, when it should be cold, but it gets colder; and when it should be warm, but it gets warmer; then that's proof of man-made climate change."

According to whom?

"proof of man-made global warming and/or climate change

Again, who says man MADE climate change?

And it's all based on the premise that the global temperature and climate patterns are static -

And once again, according to whom?

What kind of right wing rant blog do you find such things mentioned?

Look at any conclusions based on scientific study and I have yet to see any of this mentioned.

What's wrong, that old horse doesn't have enough bullets in it for you yet?

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All you need, Oz, is. . . . . . .

by maxwell edison In reply to Can you support it though ...

..... snow for the Olympics.

Too much or too little, it's all proof of man-made global warming and/or climate change.

P.S. Move it to Colorado. We have plenty of snow! (And it could have happened in 1976.)

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There's plenty of snow

by Oz_Media In reply to All you need, Oz, is. . . ...

Athletes have all said they prefer it soft on Cyress as opposed to a hard pack. The events there, are freestyle and snowboard.

They have made plenty of snow and it will be just fine, of course someone will lose and complain but goes without saying, regardless of snow condistions.

The issue is that Cyrpess itself has little snow on normal runs, which, from a Vancouver viewpoint makes it look bare.

I was up on New Years eve, having drinks and hanging out with a local team (not Olympiads...yet) and there was plenty of snow, with more being made.

As for your reply, I'll just assume, as I did anyway, that there is no such solid proof of your assertions at all, perhaps a few nubags like Gore but nothign substantial.

It's nice to see you around again, even if it was just to flog that same old bag of a mare.

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climate change, the age old battle

by .Martin. In reply to Heads you win, tails I lo ...

it is always going to be, no matter what we say.

really it is something kept alive by the governments of the world to scare us.

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But

by Oz_Media In reply to climate change, the age o ...

despite that fact that the most active scientists agree, and have done all along, that the Earth naturally cools and warms (hasn't anyone even watched the Planet Earth series)the causes of that natural warming and cooling over the Earth;s history are shown to be due to factors that our industrial and private emissions increase.

Thus, it's not a matter of IF, because anyone with half a brain cell know it IS.

It's a matter of us shortening the natural time frame of such evolution. The problem is due to gases and Earth core evolution that we farm for resources and expel at a greater rate than is naturally ocurring.

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natural volcanic activity, and animal life are bigger factors

by Deadly Ernest In reply to But

than human industry. Having said that, yes, we should clean up our act to minimise what effect we do have with our industry, but there's no way we can have the sort of significant impact the climate change priests claim.

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No. They are not

by neilb@uk In reply to natural volcanic activity ...

Yes, we can and do

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Most of the effect of animal life

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to natural volcanic activity ...

is farming.....

Either animal husbandry or us killing off natural habitats for food and resources.

Taking a wild guess here, but you still haven't done as I suggested and read James Gleick's Chaos yet have you.

Give it a go, no climate change or anti-religious stuff in it, and it's a very readable book.

At the end of it you should come to the conclusion that neither the treehuggers nor the moneyhuggers are right.

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Binary versus fuzzy sets

by Geek3001 In reply to Most of the effect of ani ...

<p>I get the feeling that a lot of people seem to think that human generated global climate change is an either/or proposition. Either we have an effect and are responsible for the changes or we don't.</p>
<p>I wish that more people would consider that there are several factors involved, each of which contributes to the overall scheme of things. These factors even vary from day to day, making it hard to figure out their contribution accurately. And to further complicate things, we're still learning about events that could have an impact on global climate change. The picture we have of how climate systems work is rather fuzzy and will remain so for quite some time.</p>
<p>A lot of the factors that affect global climate change are things we can't control, as shown by very long term climatic history. It happened before and it will happen again, and there will be die backs of various scales.</p>
<p>The big issue is whether human changes in the environment are large enough to cause problems when combined with other changes. Saying that the impact of humans is too small to have any effect is as bad as saying that they are the sole cause of global climate change. All you would need to disprove either side is one example to the contrary.</p>
<p>We do have examples where human changes to the environment have had regional impacts. Acid rain is one example that is well documented. At the same time, acid rain can also be generated by volcanoes, wildfires, asteroid strikes and rotting organic matter. The natural sources may be bigger but our addition to the problem is something that is ADDED to the overall scheme of things in places that are close to where we live.</p>
<p>Does that small percentage make a difference? You could ask people living downwind of coal fired power plants that have scrubbers on them, like those in the North East US. Or you could ask people in Japan who have to deal with acid rain created by unscrubbed coal fired power plants in China.</p>

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