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I have tried several times and I think I am doing something wrong.
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I have re-installed again and this is what I have done so far.
Installed w2k server. During setup I specified an IP of 192.168.1.5 and the server name is SERVER.
Added DHCP and configured it. With options 03, 06

Now I don’t know if I should setup DNS first before doing the dcpromo. I have always ran the configure your server wizard to add AD and in the wizard it adds DNS for me.
Should I do the DNS and configure it?

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Is this the first server in the forest?
In a new child domain of the forest?
Or just another dc in a domain?
Depending on the answer, this will vary how you set up DNS once the DCPROMO process finished.

My advice is to let DCPROMO handle it for you.

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I noticed in your original posting that you were going to use BTB.com. I wouldn’t recommend that you use that name. To protect your AD namspace, I’d use BTB.local. that way, only clients on your local network could login to your AD.

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This is the first and only server in a new forest.

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Either will work but letting DCPROMO wizard do it is
easier.

As before, use a private ip as you are and a private
namespace “.local”.

be the only domain in the forest and you are NOT a root
domain. If you choose root domain then go to DNS and
delete the “.” zone.

Good luck again.

razz

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So should I update to SP4 before I run DCPromo? Is there anything else I need to do before I run it?

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I’ve been following your threads, seeing the suggestions and wonder if you got your problem solved?

I will say this, on W2K and W2003 using the wizards to initially setup a single DC to provide DNS, DHCP, AD services in a single domain pretty much goes smoothly. Note that during rebooting after configuration changes, that you’ll see errors pop up in the event viewer. Some are related to the service order startup, some are bugs and SPs and Hotfixes will fix these. You shouldn’t get overly excited about errors poping up in the Event Viewer until you have configured the server, installed all the critical and some of the recommended service packs and hotfixes, reboot the bugger and let it run 24hrs or so. [why we use a test network before placing servers into a production environment].

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So should I run the DCpromo before or after I update to SP4 and all patches?

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Your comment used to have a standard answer. It was
anytime you install new components from a source CD
you always re-apply the service pack anyway. This was
common in NT but less in 2000 and 20003 due to the
protections added to prevent an added feature from
overwriting a newer system file. Many still do practice
that.

Now the other concept. Service packs add patches,
fixes, features and yes bugs. The new features is
always my focus. I feel it is better to update to SP4 and
then do DCPROMO with the latest components
installed. Then it is not required for you to redo SP4
again, but you may choose to. Having SP4 when you
DCPromo though does allow for newer system
components to funtion and prevent any bugs they were
designed to fix.

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I did start over again and did all the security stuff first. Then I added DHCP, Then DNS and created a forward and reverse lookup zone. Now I get the Event ID 414 error. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;888048

I tried going to the network tab and entering in my domain name as CTC.local and it comes back with an error just like this: http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/dns/tshoot/dns_tshoot2A.asp
I look at the registry edit and don’t know if I should try it. I have not installed AD yet. the only entry I don’t have for regedit is NV Domain. I might try the registry edit.
I don’t want to install AD yet till I get my Domain Straight.

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I can’t get a station to join. http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/dns/tshoot/dns_tshoot2A.asp
I checked evrything in this article and tried the flushdns and registerdns and still nothing.
my domain is ctc.local and I have all the right stuff in DNS I think. What are the tools or commands to see what is holding me up.
on the WS I am trying to join the domain and instantly I get the error. On the DC when I go to the Network tab the properties box is dimmed.

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heres what I do. I install W2k server. set a static ip address for the NIC and run windows update and get ALL of em. Once they are all installed, I run the DNS wizard to install DNS. Since the NIC already has an IP address assigned [and I’ve chosen the IP address to be the range I want for the network] the Wizard uses it [I use the first # in the last byte for the IP address e.g. if I want the network to be 192.168.4.1-254 the DNS server is 192.168.4.1]. I use the .network for my internal name. Windows will want to build a LAT and install class A,B,C addresses and I remove all except that which I will use on my LAN.

Once DNS is installed, I install DHCP and use the wizard. I authorize the scope and activate it.

Once I have DNS and DHCP installed I review DNS and perform some lookup queries in DNS to make sure I’ve got resolution. Right click and open your DNS in the left pane and run the DNS query. You could do a recursive IF you have an internet connection active but not necessary for LAN DNS resolution.

Once all that is done I install Active Directory and use the Wizard. I do not use dcpromo from the command line. [lazy]. Easier to just click the link in the setup page.

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Once I have DNS,DHCP AD installed I reboot and check windows update just in case. If there are no updates I open up the event viewer and clear all logs. I set logging to overwrite events as needed, 512kb log size. I configure the server for security using the security administrative templates. I’ll go through and check Active Directory to make sure I’ve got all the accounts I should have and disable and rename the quest account. I’ll make sure DHCP is running and configure options. make sure that DHCP will update DNS records for clients when requested.

I’ll let the thing run 24hrs and periodically check the event viewer for errors.

If nothing critical shows up I’ll add a workstation to the network and add a user account in AD. Get a mini network going. Setup some group policies for computer configs.

Always worked for me. I don’t use dcpromo promote from the command line if this is the first DC at the root for the domain. If I’m adding a DC to the domain, I’ll join the server to the network then do dcpromo promote from the command line.

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in your DNS foward lookup zone, you should have SOA, Cname, Host and A records. if you don’t have these records DNS will not work properly. Check your records in DNS and make sure the host and A records have the IP address assigned to the DNS in them [which is why I remove the class a,b and c range Windows whats to include in the LAT and specifically set the range I want.

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I did start over again and did all the security stuff first. Then I added DHCP, Then DNS and created a forward and reverse lookup zone. Now I get the Event ID 414 error. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;888048

I tried going to the network tab and entering in my domain name as CTC.local and it comes back with an error just like this: http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/dns/tshoot/dns_tshoot2A.asp
I look at the registry edit and don’t know if I should try it. I have not installed AD yet. the only entry I don’t have for regedit is NV Domain. I might try the registry edit.
I don’t want to install AD yet till I get my Domain Straight.

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I have found in my DNS there are no subfolders with
_MSDCS
_SITES
_TCP
_UDP
There are just three text files which are the
SOA
NA and
A record
What should I do now? Can I fix this with out re-installing again?

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Point value changed by question poster.

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Ok I did the registry edit and it seems to work. How can I test DNS to make sure it is working?

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nope you don’t install DHCP first, you install DNS first. DHCP is only for assigning IP addreses to client computers and to provide those client computers with connectivity information like default gateways, DNS servers, WINS servers. You assign a static IP address to the NIC on the server using the Class and range you want your local network to use. After that, you can, as an option, install DHCP. DHCP is NOT required for an Windows Active Directory based network. It just makes it easier assigning IP addresses to clients, adding records to DNS for clients, providing clients with default gateway addresses and whatnot. you can always ADD DHCP services at a later date.

If you have a SOA, Host and A records in DNS. Then you’ve got the basics necessary for name to IP address resolution.

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I did a nslookup and seems to be working. I went to do a DCpromo and it says the wizard cannot contact the DNS server that handles the name CTC.local to determine if it supports dynamic update. confirm your DNS configuration, or install and configure a DNS server on this computer.
What do I do to see what could be wrong with my DNS?

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The DNS server properties has built-in tests, but also
the one I like is to add an A record or C record and
have it some weird name like test.btb.local pointing to
an existing ip. The try to ping it by name. it should work.
(Restart DNS if you want first but you don’t need to.)
You can also ping the ip and it should show the DNS
name.

razz

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I did a nslookup and seems to be working. I went to do a DCpromo and it says the wizard cannot contact the DNS server that handles the name CTC.local to determine if it supports dynamic update. confirm your DNS configuration, or install and configure a DNS server on this computer.
What do I do to see what could be wrong with my DNS?

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I did a nslookup and seems to be working. I went to do a DCpromo and it says the wizard cannot contact the DNS server that handles the name CTC.local to determine if it supports dynamic update. confirm your DNS configuration, or install and configure a DNS server on this computer.
What do I do to see what could be wrong with my DNS?

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Hate to be harsh but,from all all your questions that keep getting more and more complicated and more and more problems arise that under normal installations do not appear, you either no absolutly nothing about setting up DNS, in which case you really need to take a course or read a book on DNS in a Windows based system or, you just keep making the problem more complicated to see who knows the most about Windows DNS.

DNS has a management properties. If you right click on your server, choose properties, on the properties page you’ll see a portion for updating. you can choose how you want DNS to update their records and what computers/servers will be allowed to provide updates to DNS.

Get a Windows Server [whatever flavor] self paced training book. Read it, do the practice labs which walks you through setting up your DNS server, DHCP server, WINS, and Active Directory step by step.

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I have taken a class and setup a real server or too. I just don’t understand what isn’t working. I need to know what are the tools to troubleshoot this?

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yeah right

dog and pony show

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Sorry I am not up to your standards. it’s been a few years!

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OK, I have been out for a few days and this has gotten funny.

“I tried going to the network tab and entering in my domain
name as CTC.local and it comes back with an error just like this:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/dns/tshoot/
dns_tshoot2A.asp
I look at the registry edit and don’t know if I should try it. I have
not installed AD yet. the only entry I don’t have for regedit is NV
Domain. I might try the registry edit.
I don’t want to install AD yet till I get my Domain Straight.”

How could try to join a domain (AD Domain of BTB.local) if you
have not created it yet? How can a domain be ‘straight’ if you
have not done the AD part? Of course the domain records do not
exist if it (the domain) does not exist. JUST LET THE DCPROMO
WIZARD DO IT ALL INCLUDING DNS.

I want you feel that feeling of success so here we go:

Start from a fresh install. Upgrade all patches and SP’s. Choose
Start menu and run then type “dcpropmo in the box. (without
the quotes) follow the wizard. The following links are step by
step guides. Print them out to have them handy.

http://www.petri.co.il/
how_to_install_active_directory_on_w2k.htm

(sorry about the text wrap)

That guide has you install DNS first. For you I would skip that
and have DCPROMO do it.

MCP Magazine has a good tutorial too and it uses the wizard
DNS setup.

http://www.mcpmag.com/columns/article.asp?EditorialsID=141

Again, if DNS installs as a root then go to DNS and remove the
“.” zone. Also set DNS to accept dynamic updates and if you
want to be AD integrated.

Be aware that some errors you may recieve are NORMAL and
according the great creator of all that errors “Mircosoft’, can be
ignored. Some may be service start order, or another issue of
misconfiguration that did not show up until you ran AD and
DNS.

I wish you good luck,

razz

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Everything we have all said (step by step) has been done by all of
us without the issues you are having. The fact that you tried to
join an AD domain before creating it is cause for concern. Since
you said you have some server experience I will assume that it is
not in DNS areas. Follow these guides and it will work. At least
for everyone helpping in this Q&A these steps did.

Again, good luck,

razz

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Thanks a bunch those articles might have helped. it was either I didn’t put the dns sufix in the network tab or it was because I named it with CTC and in dns it was ctc. don’t know but it seems to be ok. I join my test WS and now I have to figure out why it can’t see any shares on the server. I can see the AD dir. but not any thing that is shared on the server. If you have any clues on that that would be great.

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Well I am glad all is ok with the DNS now but i am confused. I am
I correct that the DNS issue for this question is solved?

As to the workstation issue, that would require info on OS and
login etc. and may be better suited as a new question. But, as
long as we are here…

Are you loging in at the workstation using a domain user
account or local user. Are you logging into the domain or local
machine? (When you hit ctrl-alt-del there should be 3 boxes,
name, password, and third should show local or domain. It will
not change to domain on it’s own after joining.)

If you choose “run” can you access the share by typeing a UNC
path such as:

\\\

*** Note that it is share name and not folder name if they are
different.

Can you from the workstation DOS propmt do a ‘net view’and
see resources?

net view \\

Are you sure the WS has joined the doamin and is listed in AD
under computers?

What are the share permissions and the NTFS permissions if you
are using NTFS?

razz

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Oooppss, got a face in there.

It should be a backslash.

\\servername\sharename

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Yes I am loging in as a domain account. and yes the domain is in the third box.
I can view the server shares using the UNC path
I did a net view and it lists the shares on the server.
Yes the WS joined ok because the computer was add to the AD. The permissions are set to everyone has full control.

any other clues?

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If you view the server shares using Net View, and can
open them using UNC then you are fine. If you cannot
see them in Network Place then the Master Browse List
is not up to date which is normal and can take aprox an
hour to sync up. To see them in AD they must be
shared and then published in AD.

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humm on to seeing shares on a workstation. Ok, administrative shares are appended with a $ to hide em. Unless you create network shares and publish them in active directory, you wont see any in my network places or if you browse AD no shares will show up [sans the sysvol folder]. Just create a shared folder and publish it to AD [during the creation process the wizard will ask you if you want to publish the share to AD, choose yes].

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Thanks for following me through. I still don’t know whats the deal can’t see the shares in network places. Put yes I just published in AD and that will work for now.
SO thanks for being patient.

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