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    Help…I’m in quite a pickle!

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    by ttosun ·

    I recently relocated from NY to Tampa, FL. I had been searching for jobs online and through the local paper for about 4 weeks now. Last week, I sent out 4 resumes and I immidiately got a response back from an IT consulting and service company. Due to weeks of lacking income (and my wife getting worried I may never work again…man FL is fun when you have no job!) I jumped at the opportunity and interviewed and was hired by the company and start work Monday (today is Thursday). All well and good.

    Here’s the pickle…I don’t really want to work for a service oriented IT company, going from site to site and basically doing help desk type work although I was hired as a Senior Network Technician (whatever that means). I’ve done that for over seven years at my first IT job and as fun and exciting as it was, I feel I have exhausted that field and really took it as far as it could go. What I really want to do is get more into a network/systems administration position (you know, the type of job I’ve spent thousands of dollars and countless hours of studying and testing to obtain certifications for)like my last job.

    Today, I got the opprtunity to interview for the type of job I really want and was told that I was 1 of 4 candidates being strongly considered for the position. I’m pretty confident that once I interview for this position that I will get it.

    That said…what do I do? Do I start work as scheduled and interview with this other company and if hired, immidiately resign from my new job? Or, do I just grin and bear it and let this new opportunity go and try to make the most of the position I’ve been hired for?

    The position I’ve been hired for does have some very good things about it. It’s a relaxed atmosphere with very down to earth people all on a first name basis with each other and the company is growing rather rapidly. If I stick with them, I know with my years of experience in the service end of IT, I could really be an integral part of this company and probably be one of the main driving forces of it in the future.

    However, my ultimate goal is to control the IT dept. of a Fortune X company and you simply can’t do that if you’re not reqiured to wear a tie to work.

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    • #3144656

      Ask for a delay

      by mjd420nova ·

      In reply to Help…I’m in quite a pickle!

      Ask the new employer for a two week delay before starting, that way you should have enough time to find out if you’re getting the job you’re really interested in. However, it sounds like the first offer may be waht you are looking for, and the opportunity to grom with the firm, and the possiblity of getting what you want as they expand. Try not to let on that you are looking at a better position, as that may sour them altogether. They wouldn’t want to hire someone who may leave after a short period, doubling their work to find the right candidate.

    • #3144650

      Think about which will you be happy in

      by deadly ernest ·

      In reply to Help…I’m in quite a pickle!

      being in a happy work environment where you feel comfortable is more important than anything else. I once threw (equivalent of about $100k pa) in a job for one that was half the pay and my boss at the time couldn’t understand why – he was not paying me enought to deal with the ulcers he was giving me.

      I learnt the hard way that the money and prestige is not worth the trouble. One think to remember about the rat race – no matter who wins he/she is still a rat. And another – the rat behind you will be happy to eat the one in front but cares not about the one behind.

    • #3144619

      Take the job

      by av . ·

      In reply to Help…I’m in quite a pickle!

      If you’ve been out of work for awhile, its always nice to have money again. I would still pursue the other job though, and see if you get a job offer. Right now, you may or may not get that job. If you don’t, you will still have the other job to go back to and can continue looking.

      I know its an uncomfortable situation to be in, but you have to pursue both opportunities, for yourself. Otherwise you will always wonder what if. Should you get the new job, take it! Why not?

      Do whats best for you and your life. Take the job that has the best career path for you. Its not like the olden days anymore. Theres no more gold watches when you retire. Companies today don’t hesitate to give you a pink slip.

      • #3144562

        That is exactly right.

        by maecuff ·

        In reply to Take the job

        You have to do what is best for you. I certainly wouldn’t feel any guilt over taking the job and leaving it for a better opportunity.

        You have to be about yourself in this situation. When I’m working for a company, I do give them everything I can, however, I’m always going to do what is best for me and my family first.

        • #3144537

          Mae and AV

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to That is exactly right.

          you both saved me a lot of typing.

          Take the job, do your best, keep looking for what it is you want/need out of life.

          good luck.

        • #3144469

          Oops

          by rob mekel ·

          In reply to Mae and AV

          Doubled again, sorry

          Rob

        • #3144468

          If you don’t take the job

          by rob mekel ·

          In reply to Mae and AV

          AND … the job you do like more doesn’t come your way …

          The only thing I can say is … morron.

          So take the advice given to you and take that job. Do the interview for the job you like more and take it from there. Or as JD suggests: keep looking for what is you want/need out of life, to add desire in life.

          Have fun doing it

          Rob

        • #3144393

          Have to weigh in here

          by tig2 ·

          In reply to That is exactly right.

          (And no bad jokes…) 🙂

          Take the job in front of you. Settle in and THEN make a choice.

          I got pretty sick a few of years ago and couldn’t work. Lost EVERYTHING- there is really no help sometimes. I ended up doing System Admin for a complex (Win/UNIX/end users who don’t speak English) system that I had to learn on the fly for $10 an hour. Couldn’t get anything else- had cancer- no one would hire me- and I couldn’t earn too much, I had no insurance.

          I appreciate that you are trying to do the right thing. But don’t be silly. Take the job and find out if it is the right thing. If it isn’t, go to the next one.

          You have to consider that your employer doesn’t have to go home with you. YOU do. If you hate your life, you CAN’T give your employer your best.

          And consider why your goal is working for a Fortune X company. Will you really get what you want?

        • #3144342

          To some people Tig

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Have to weigh in here

          it is all about the money and nothing else matters. Sad really.

          I will take a job I LOVE for a lower paycheck anyday over a place I hate to go to but pays me double.

        • #3144218

          MY priorities changed

          by tig2 ·

          In reply to To some people Tig

          But most people never have to think about that.

          I only hope that this guy gets it. I can pray for that.. as long as I don’t say that I am praying!

        • #3144202

          I see it all the time

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to MY priorities changed

          people that have been brainwashed into Corporate Americas definition of “making it”.

          They think they need that fancy stuff to validate who they are. I am looking for a SMALLER house, not a bigger house.

          To get this fancy stuff, they allow themselves to “advance”. We reward people that do a job very well, by taking them out of that job and putting them in a different position? not everyone is fit to be a manager, but they go for it because it means a bigger pay check.

          I will be applying for a management position within a year, but it is because I am ready to do that, not because I need the money. This is a fairly hands on manager position, so it wouldn’t be a whole lot different from what I do now, except for having the ability to make some much needed changes.

        • #3144213

          I’m with you up to a point..

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to To some people Tig

          It’s all well and good to do what you ‘want’ to do..however, if doing something you’re not to happy about doing pays the bills and keeps the family fed..well..it’s an easy choice.

        • #3144200

          It is a balance

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to I’m with you up to a point..

          I was talking more about people that HATE their job. Every morning they wake up and say to themselves “Got to go to that place again”.

          Life is too short to live like that.

          don’t have to LOVE the job, but you sure shouldn’t hate it.

      • #3144517

        Good advice

        by rickydoo ·

        In reply to Take the job

        and well said, especially the last part “Companies today don’t hesitate to give you a pink slip”.
        And a small company in which everyone is on a first name basis is a little less likely to hand you that pink slip on a whim.
        A growing company also makes for more advancement opportunities to get to where you want to be. It may take longer to get there, but you might have more fun on the way. Plus, where the already big company may place ulcers in your inbox, the growing company will probably place challenges you might enjoy.
        Since I don’t know either of these companies, this is all conjecture, but it’s something to consider.

      • #3144456

        I’ve got the job already and…

        by ttosun ·

        In reply to Take the job

        As I intervieed for the position, I did make it clear that I was aiming for more of an admin position in a large company. And he made it clear that I would probably make more money doing something like that but his main selling point was that although the company is an IT consulting and service company, that they were growing rapidly. This was also the one of my goals when being with a company, to grow with them and be there from the beginning, so to speak. Don’t get me wrong, the position sounds great, there’s a high growth opportunity and the people there are like a small family. Everyone looks out for eachother and there is a real “happy” atmosphere.

        However, at this early point in my career and life (I’m 29) I feel as though I should be chasing the money. Although I’ve been in IT for over 9 years (8 yrs. at consulting company, as a Network Tech/Admin/Installation Tech/Field Support, I basically did it all, and little over 1 yr. as a Systems Admin.) I’ve only been in the “real” day to day administration part of it for such a short time.

        So now the question becomes, and taking into consideration my short time as a Systems Admin…do I chase the money or can I afford to be “happy”?

        As I appreciate all your comments and advice, I would like the advice of some of the veteran IT members on this one.

        Thanks.

        • #3144448

          Money is not everything

          by skidoggeruk ·

          In reply to I’ve got the job already and…

          Job satisfaction is more important. A few personal victories every day are nice.

          However, you may want to chase some of your ambitions first. If nothing else to see how far you can go. If you want to be a IT Director in some top company,than this might not be the company to be in, but don’t give up something putting bread on the table, before you get another position. I wonder if there are many Fortune X companies in FL to aspire to. Are you prepared to move again later? Wife, kids, house,etc. You might want to visualise how this may come to fruition in the long run and what and how much you are willing to sacrifice to get there.

          If you want to get in on the ground floor of a new company, stick where you are. You might find that new opportuinities arise from working at client sites. Or you might find that you become that VIP you wanted to be by applying a little patience and persistence.

          Everybody has these problems when facing important career decisions. Only you will be able to make the choice. Try to pick the one that you will not regret.

          Oh, stick with the current position, should you get the other one, try to negotiate an amicable solution for all parties. IE work an extra month with the little guy and start later with the big guy.

          Good Luck on this one

        • #3144433

          Regarding the happiness question

          by deadly ernest ·

          In reply to I’ve got the job already and…

          If you can put food on the table and pay the bills, you can afford to chase happiness. I’m 54 and can tell you that all chaising the money gets is long hours and ulcers, in many cases it loses you happiness and family. In your situation I would take the current job and grow with the company, that way you can help steer the company culture so that when it gets big enough to pay you the big bucks you don’t get the ulcers as well. I’m just sorry that I didn’t take such an opportunity when I had it in my late 20’s – hindsight has pefect vision.

        • #3144425

          I totally agree with Ernest,

          by old guy ·

          In reply to I’ve got the job already and…

          all too often chasing the money in this field has way too many issues, such as, ulcers, losing happiness, and losing family. I don’t think you mentioned kids in your posts but you might want to decide your priorities in your life first and go from there.

          Several years ago I re-prioritized my life and my job kind of went down a few notches and they weren’t very happy with that. I really took a hit in that area. However, it certainly helped me and in the long run has helped my job after all.

          Like Ernest, I’m 51, and since you asked for some of the older folks advice, I’ve learned sometimes it pays better in the long run to take the less glorified job and make it the best.

        • #3144140

          Take the best opportunity

          by av . ·

          In reply to I’ve got the job already and…

          If you get the Sys Admin job at the large company, take it. It is a step up in your career, just for the experience of working with so many different systems and living on the bleeding edge of technology.

          PS – you’re the one that’s bleeding. Its the ultimate training ground though, for whatever you want to do in the future. You are exposed to so much current technology.

          I was a Sys Admin for a large pharmaceutical company for several years in the mid 90’s. Everything I learned there has benefited me throughout my career. Smaller companies don’t deploy new technology as often. I learned things then that they are just deploying now in small places.

          Today, I am a Sys Admin for a mid-sized law firm. Its more relaxed than Corporate America. There is alot of work there, but its not bleeding edge and the company pockets are not as deep. Its a happy family type group.

          I can do this now, but now is the time for you to go for it. Corporate America is tough, but do it anyway. Its a great experience.

    • #3144411

      listen to the old guys :)

      by shellbot ·

      In reply to Help…I’m in quite a pickle!

      i’m just slightly older than you, (so am not one of the more experienced) but i have left the job where i had all the responsibility. Blood pressure went through the roof, was on medication and had a headache for near on 6 months.
      Wasn’t worth it..
      Obviously you know what you want, so work towards your goal. Go with your gut. You need to put food on the table, but once you can do that, then you need to decide whats more important.

      Family life or Fortune 500 and suits?

      The way i see it, there are many many places that are great to work for that are not Fortune 500. Why don’t you do what makes you happy?

      Take the job (or delay start if you can) and if you get the other one then decide what makes you happier.

      I know a few people who have held out for the “better job” and all they did was lose valuable time and experience while they ended up taking worse jobs than they had originally turned down. If you hold out for this other one, what makes you think that the person they interveiw after you won’t have twice as much experience and gets the job. You haven’t even interveiwed yet by the sounds of it.

      Don’t count your hatches before they chicken
      🙂

    • #3144403

      Thank You ALL

      by ttosun ·

      In reply to Help…I’m in quite a pickle!

      I want to thank you all for your advice.

      It is becoming a little more clear to me now that some points have been made by some of you which I didn’t consider before.

      I think I will stick with the consulting company…for now. Who knows, I may own it one day!

      Thank you all again. You have helped me greatly. I’m happy to be able to turn to my peers and receive such great advice.

      • #3144387

        I think everyone would say Welcome,

        by old guy ·

        In reply to Thank You ALL

        Now that is a good expectation/goal. “I think I will stick with the consulting company…for now. Who knows, I may own it one day!” That’s the way to look at it!! Good luck.

        • #3143184

          don’t give up

          by azerivista.com ·

          In reply to I think everyone would say Welcome,

          You should keep trying if it is what you want then you need to search hard to get what you want.
          Do not settle for anythign less then what you want!
          Anna:)

    • #3144394

      Ummmm you had me till the ties remark

      by jamesrl ·

      In reply to Help…I’m in quite a pickle!

      I was at a Fortune 100 tech company when we made the transition to business casual dress. Certainly the CIO, with 5000 staff worldwide had to own some nice suits. But day to day he wore golf shirts and dockers. The suit would have been for board meetings.

      To me when I reread your letter, it seems like you can decide between the potential to be a big fish in a small pond in a relatively short term(fast growth small company) or you could be stuck on the rung of a very crowded corporate ladder, fighting your way to the top over a longer period.

      You would be naive to think automatically that the big corporate company would pay you more. Its probably a safer more secure job. You might have more opportunities for variety and job changes within the company. But at big companies you have to put up with bureacracy, corporate policy and the difficulties of making change in a large organization.

      Ignore the initial money – if you love what you are doing, usually the money will follow. I would not decide anything until I had the interview and assessed the role they are offering, how well it fits, how you fit with the “team” you’d be working with etc.

      James

      • #3144384

        Ties??? What’s that?

        by old guy ·

        In reply to Ummmm you had me till the ties remark

        I don’t even own a tie anymore, much less wear one. 🙂

        • #3144378

          You know, appropriate office dress

          by too old for it ·

          In reply to Ties??? What’s that?

          … was so much easier when everyone wore a suit. I had a couple conservative “rep” ties, and life was good.

          Tho the summer help these days in hip-huggers and halter tops is not entirely bad.

    • #3144369

      Tough Decision…Do Some Research

      by kattoon ·

      In reply to Help…I’m in quite a pickle!

      Have you researched both companies? How long have they been in business? How many employees? Turn-over ratio? (this is always a good question to ask) Are they in the process of merging with another company?

      I’ve been promised “the moon” at several different jobs; only to find out the company was hurting financially and layoffs were in the near future (this happened at 2 companies – one company lured me with the promise of travel, management and bonuses).

      Please, do some research before making your decision. If the companies are on NYSE or NASDQ go to Yahoo! Finance and look them up. Definitly visit the Yahoo! Finance chat rooms and see what people are saying about the company. This can give you a lot of insight about the management style and turnover.

      I really wish I would have done that before taking the job previous to the one I have now.

      Good Luck!

    • #3144368

      You shouldn’t have compromised

      by m_a_r_k ·

      In reply to Help…I’m in quite a pickle!

      You made the classic mistake of jumping at the first thing that came along. That was a big mistake. You can, of course, resign whenever you want or turn down the job offer before Monday, but that’s a matter of your personal sense of ethics.

      • #3144312

        You’re right…

        by ttosun ·

        In reply to You shouldn’t have compromised

        You live and learn, I guess. That is one mistake I will not duplicate.

        • #3144301

          It’s hard NOT to make that mistake

          by m_a_r_k ·

          In reply to You’re right…

          If you haven’t had much luck for a while in finding a job, it’s all too easy to lose sight of the long-term goal and take the first thing. You’re not the first person, and won’t be the last, whose made that mistake. I’ve done it also.

        • #3144204

          yes and no MARK

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to It’s hard NOT to make that mistake

          There comes a point when you just need a job to pay your bills. You do what you have to do to get through the day.

          After you have an income coming back in again, THEN you can afford to be a little pickier about the jobs.

          I don’t see this as a mistake so much as good luck. There are people I know that are having a hard time getting ANY job in Tech right now. Michigan is one of the highest in unemployment. Some have been forced to take non-tech jobs until something better opens up. Granted, they don’t have the experience to open up doors for them, so the standards again have to be a little lower than someone in your situation.

    • #3144348

      in the end

      by dr dij ·

      In reply to Help…I’m in quite a pickle!

      I think that consulting / temp jobs give you more experience with dift companies and could help you with your end goal.

    • #3144340

      Your life your future

      by jcritch ·

      In reply to Help…I’m in quite a pickle!

      Take the paycheck while you work on the career. I really do not see a negative when someone has documented a short term relationship with a employer when I review a resume. I will ask about it, but also know short term employment happens. I would rather have an employee leave my employ versus stay here and be miserable, always looking for greener pastures.
      A paycheck is just that, but being paid for something you want to do is better. So start the new job, but if you are offered the other position, take it and do not look back.

    • #3143371

      Time to be hard nosed

      by ian ·

      In reply to Help…I’m in quite a pickle!

      Take the job in the mean time and if the other is offered have no ill feelings about dropping it for what you want. Remember you may be the one they chose to start on Monday but there were probably another half dozen chomping at your heels, they can always go back to one of them especially if you believe the job is beneth you.

      I don’t know your age but if you get into a company that will expand in the future, would you be considered too old for that glory position when it comes around? The decision is up to you.

    • #3144877

      In the same boat…

      by obiwaynekenobi ·

      In reply to Help…I’m in quite a pickle!

      I am in a similar pickle to yours.. I was out of work for nearly 6 months after a company let me go for questioning why I was told to move furniture and dismantle desks instead of the IT work I was hired for. I finally got a job offer for a small company and was forced to bite; I do not hate the company (just the way they act sometimes) but I find myself bored and depressed at work because I cannot do anything which I want to. However, I need the money and the job market in this area is very harsh (I live roughly 45 minutes from Tampa, so I know *exactly* what you are going through). So I have little choice in the matter; I do not want to be seen as a job hopper (My last job only lasted about a month before they canned me for my concerns, and I have only been at this job about 4 months now), but I am not happy with my present environment. Coupled with the fact I am considering moving by the end of the year to Pennsylvania, and I am pretty much stuck; I do not wish to leave and take another job only to leave in another 6 months if I move. I share your ambitions and your plight.

      • #3145606

        This is only a way-station

        by tig2 ·

        In reply to In the same boat…

        I appreciate that you hate your job but don’t want to be seen as a job hopper. Rather than staying put and being bored, try staying put and working on your skill sets. I don’t know what in IT you do but I know how much learning VoIP helped me out when I was sick and working as a SysAdmin- I am usually a PM.

        The first contract I was able to take was a VoIP implemetation that required a PM with some knowledge of the system. I was able to get it because I had been willing to self-train in the down time.

        Just a thought- I know how tough it can be.

        • #3145587

          Thanks…

          by obiwaynekenobi ·

          In reply to This is only a way-station

          I will try what you suggest, although I do not get much opportunity to work on my skillset as the company’s entire technology base is 10+ years old and they have no plans or desire to upgrade it. I mainly do some web design for them so I have the time occasionally to keep up to date on technologies (I want to learn more programming, although I have a background in system administration as well) and learn at least a little bit about new things. Thanks again for the helpful advice.

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