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how to deal with lying executives?

By Discordian ·
seems there has been a shakeup at my place of work. seems that our department head, an executive, has demoted our manager. seems that he had a replacement ready, the day of the demotion he announces a replacement who will start the next day. also seems that the executive has sent out an email stating that the demotion was at the request of the manager.

the truth is the manager told me that he was demoted by the executive by the executive's choice. also the executive is looking to cut costs by his own statements.

now, if we add one plus one, we get the feeling that the executive has hired an axeman.

now, what would you do?

could you work for an executive who has lied to you?

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by jm1710 In reply to how to deal with lying ex ...

Could I work for an executive who has lied to me? I can and I have. I would love to be so principled that I could get up and walk out of any job where I have been lied to or promised things that never panned out. But the simple fact of the matteris that I still have bills to pay and mouths to feed.

You also need to keep in mind that you may not be getting the complete and accurate story. It would be a shame for you to leave a job over half-truths. Just my two cents...

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not a question of that

by Discordian In reply to *Ouch*

nor could i just walk out. but i will and have initiated a new job search with gusto, and so has a vast majority of our staff. the only ones that haven't are the one's that deserve to stay and the cio deserves to keep. the technically inept political players.

this is the way it should work. hopefully we'll find something before we are layed off in this bad economy.

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The truth sometimes lies between

by James R Linn In reply to how to deal with lying ex ...

I've seen this example in the past.

Great techie is promoted to manager. Struggles in the job. Senior management like the person but sense something has to change. They offer the person two choices - take a demotion back to where they were, or leave the company.

In that case the manager did have a choice but may not have felt like they had one. And the executive feels that the manager had choice.

I wouldn't call anyone a liar at this point - both have different perceptions.

You could somehow link this to cutting costs, but its not necessarily so. There is always pressure to cut costs and be more efficient. Perhaps the manager didn't have any good ideas on how to do it, and that lead to the lack of confidence by senior management.

I've seen situations where people have been called an axeman because they have been tasked with lowering headcount as they enter the job. There are very few people who enjoy that situation - laying people off is one of the hardest things to do. But its often clear that if you can't do it, someone else will, and the longer you wait to resolve these kinds of issues, the worse it is in the long run. I've sat in an organization for months fearing a layoff that never came, when it would have been better to get it over with and announce one way or another what needed to happen.


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a bit more political

by Discordian In reply to The truth sometimes lies ...

i'll go into some detail... the manager told me that he didn't know about what was going to happen until that day, the day he was demoted and the day before the new manager started. he was forced to call a meeting and announce to everyone that he asked to be replaced. the new manager was interviewed a month ago by his fellow managers who spend all of their time with the cio, who never talks to our manager at all if he's not yelling at him.

the cio had given a directive to cut costs by movingtowards a single nos platform, which will cost millions, hardly saving money, he hires a new manager, hardly cheap, and keeps the old one as staff, hardly cutting costs, and says that he is not laying anyone off and that he will cut costs some otherway. the statements do not add up and he has already lied to everyone once, in a major way and was caught.

everyone has their resume out, nobody wants to be there anymore, and morale is at the lowest that i have seen anywhere in my career. yet the cio is never seen, the new manager is making us interview for our jobs, and the other managers are being as political as ever. it's a mess, and it's not a question of even wanting to be there anymore, so i guess it's silly for me to ask what to do,i'm already doing it by doing what i can to extradite myself asap!

i just hope my coworkers can get out too.

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You aren't taking into account..

by road-dog In reply to how to deal with lying ex ...

the corporate need for "appearance of motion". Corporations respond to every new environment by reorganizing. This covers executive *** in two very important ways:
1) If it doesn't work, "hey, we made changes and it didn't work"
2) If it does, " I'm a hero"

Unfortunately, problems and situations that rank and file personnel are painfully aware of are missed in the spin and *** covering that take place in "mahogany row".

Suffice it to say, your situation is not rare by any means, and you might be trading a known bad situation for an unknown bad situation.

Look carefully, then leap. Be as sure as you can that you are leaving for a better situation.

Good luck!

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Yes and Have

by NKQX57A In reply to how to deal with lying ex ...

Yes, I can work with the best of them, and have. Once I get over the shock of the fact that he/she is a lair. Finding that out early is important for the simple fact that now you know, you can take and make the appropriate steps and responds.

Everyone has to make a living, with families to feed, house and cloth you must learn to roll with the punches. However, that does not mean that you stay in a bad or unbearable situation. If the company is large and you have longevity look for a job in another division or department. On the other hand, simply start your career search in a discrete manner and see what develops. Changing jobs usually means an increase in pay. However, in this economic climate a lateral move is more likely. Remember, ?The grass is not always greener? in another company. The current economic conditions are bad (for the IT industry, the worst I have ever experienced in more than 30 years), first and even second line management is expendable and lowering costs are the current focus of upper management, at the expense of everything else.

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Worked for Satan

by lance.gillis In reply to how to deal with lying ex ...

Yeah the evil one. Your guy just lies? Count your blessings! LOL Do your job to the best of your ability with the tools you have on hand. Go home every evening and be with the best people in your life. Always be networking and looking for your next opportunity so you never feel trapped. Good luck

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looking for something to count

by Discordian In reply to Worked for Satan

actually, i finally talked with the new manager as he was making each of us interview for our jobs and he was honest, i have to admit that. (mind you, i called the cio dishonest, not the manager) he told me that he would be much more comfortable working with his own people.

so, now i sit here each day wondering when someone will come into my office with a security guard and tell me it's time to go, or if he'll try to make me train my replacement.

but yes, i have been trying to get out, we'll see what happens.

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