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    I can’t drive 55

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    by jdclyde ·

    But the losers we have elected to Congress are actually looking at lowering the speed limit back to 55.

    There have been rumblings here in Michigan, and now actual talk in Congress.
    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/03/warner.speed.limit.ap/index.html

    State police has already gone on record that speed limits don’t work unless people WANT to drive that speed, and many see this as a blatant attempt to generate “revenue” via excessive speeding tickets.

    In most cases, I have slowed my speed down to 65 on my own. I get better mileage (about 40mpg) AND piece of mind that I don’t have to panic every time I drive through a speed trap because I know my speed didn’t creep up on me after a long drive. (My commute to work is an hour each way).

    Should this be allowed to go through, or should we stand up and demand the feds back off? If people choose to drive slower [i](you hear me greenies, driving your hybrid 80 mph?)[/i] good for them, but it is moving to a more oppressive government.

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    • #2912353

      I agree with the design

      by w2ktechman ·

      In reply to I can’t drive 55

      that it is designed to generate revenue via tickets.
      With the average traffic flow (non-commute) here at 75mph, posted at 65mph, dropping it down to 55 will just cause problems.

      Some dumba$$es will never get a clue I’m afraid…

    • #2912346

      Sammy Hagar

      by netman1958 ·

      In reply to I can’t drive 55

      JD, I heard that story about Michigan wanting to change the speed limit on the radio this morning and “I can’t drive 55” by Sammy Hagar came to mind.

      Another thought comes to mind every time this subject is broached. I wonder how much fuel is wasted every day while people are sitting at traffic lights waiting for 4 or 5 minutes while the light gives every other lane it’s turn when there’s no cars in those lanes. It seems to me a lot of fuel could be saved by “smart” traffic lights that could sense when there are no cars in a particular lane and skip on to the next lane and so on.

      • #2912330

        We have smart lights

        by jdclyde ·

        In reply to Sammy Hagar

        They have the sensors (magnetic, I believe) that detect if there is traffic or not, and will skip over turning certain parts on if no one is there.

        It is a real pain when on my motorcycle, because it won’t set off the sensor. I pull up so a car behind me can get over it, or I end up running the light after a full rotation…..

        We also have more and more “Michigan lefts” where there is no left turns at the light. You drive past it a block and then there is a turn-around that brings two lanes back. A pain until you get used to them, but in places like Lansing where it is heavy rush hour traffic, it really does help with the flow.

      • #2912254

        Dont get me started on lights

        by the scummy one ·

        In reply to Sammy Hagar

        the lights around here are horrible. In the morning, one can
        drive and go through 3-5 green lights no problem. around
        11:30 all the lights are set to stop you at every light. It stays
        like that for the rest of the day.

        Having people just sit, or stop and go is the worst for
        causing wasted gas….

        • #2912249

          In the cities, they are DESIGNED to stop you

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Dont get me started on lights

          they WANT you to sit at the lights, so you will have time to notice the different shops that are there.

          That is why you can’t get through. It is all about leading you to the stores to increase revenue (again).

        • #2912191

          OOOh — Shiny lights :^0

          by the scummy one ·

          In reply to In the cities, they are DESIGNED to stop you

          maybe thats why these neon signs dont seem to phase me
          anymore..

        • #2913612

          wanna see traffic lights and rush hour traffic?

          by jck ·

          In reply to OOOh — Shiny lights :^0

          US Highway 19 between FL Highway 60 and Roosevelt Blvd: 6 traffic signals in a 3 mile distance on a 6-lane highway that is the main N/S artery through Pinellas County.

          They really need to learn to elevate major highways in the USA.

        • #2913601

          They do

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to wanna see traffic lights and rush hour traffic?

          in civilized parts of the nation…. :p

          They figure the added elevation would throw all the old timers equilibrium off. [i](right Mae?) 😀

        • #2913596

          wow…

          by jck ·

          In reply to They do

          she’s so gonna beat you to death! lol :^0

          US 19 down here is one of the deadliest non-interstate highways per capita in the country because of all the stop and start traffic.

          They did elevate 19 over one street down there…Drew Street…a few years ago. But right over that is the rest of the signals.

          If they’d just learn to spend the extra money on doing that (elevating or making overpasses) we’d use a lot less gas from stopping,starting, and idling.

          Plus we need more hybrids!!! :p lol :^0

        • #2913519

          JD..

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to They do

          I’m not an old timer. I am timeless.

          When are you gonna get that right?

        • #2913467

          I didn’t realize

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to They do

          that just because you lost track, that clueless equaled timeless….

          The first thing to go is the mind? :p

          At least by the time the bod starts to go, you won’t notice anyways! 😀

          😡

        • #2913429

          So Mae,

          by w2ktechman ·

          In reply to They do

          If you are timeless, and as suggested a few times — older than dirt, how does that NOT make you an old timer???

          Ducking to avoid shovel to head trauma :0

        • #2913569

          Or

          by cmiller5400 ·

          In reply to wanna see traffic lights and rush hour traffic?

          Or go underground like the Big Dig in Boston. I would rather have teeth pulled than sit in Boston rush hour traffic.

          They spent somewhere in the neighborhood of $14.6 BILLION dollars on a project that was suppose to cost $2.8 BILLION dollars. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Dig_(Boston%2C_Massachusetts)[/url]

          Edit to fix link

        • #2913428

          Can you say

          by w2ktechman ·

          In reply to Or

          mismanaged, bribes, and kickbacks???

      • #2912157

        Sammy

        by oz_media ·

        In reply to Sammy Hagar

        One foot on the brake and one on the gas,hey!
        Well, there’s too much traffic, I can’t pass, no!
        So I tried my best illegal move
        A big black and white come and crushed my groove again!

        I actually didn’t mind Sammy as a solo artist, I think he sucked SOOOOOOO bad with Van Halen though. While I don’t think he’s the front man that Roth is, and I don’t even care for Roth that much eaither, Daved Lee Roth is excellent for VanHalen and they are much better off to have him back on board again.

        sammy became famous becaue he was a singing guitarist, bt while some say he’s a great guitarist and others feel he’s a great singer, I think he does neother very well and should have chosen his groove and perfected it, whether vocals or playing. He just doesn’t have the stage presence and ability to be a two trick front man.

        Anyway, I can’t drive 55 was a great tune and Sammy should have stuck to 55 I think.

    • #2912331

      Me either…

      by jamesrl ·

      In reply to I can’t drive 55

      On my morning commute, rarely is there an opportunity to drive at the limit – of my nearly hour commute, maybe 10 minutes are at highway speeds, but 3/4 of my distance is on a major highway.

      On long trips, I’ve been using my cruise control, and if I can, I have it above the limit, but well below what the “real” limit is – the speed at which the cops will stop you.

      When I drive in the US, I assume that the limit is enforced, except in California.

      James

      • #2912323

        Out of state plates makes you a target

        by jdclyde ·

        In reply to Me either…

        And some states will make you pay for your ticket on the spot and can process your credit card for you.

        It is all about the money.

        Too bad cops don’t get more “revenue” protecting our neighborhoods instead of looking for someone driving 5 mph over the limit.

        • #2912301

          Where the action is

          by santeewelding ·

          In reply to Out of state plates makes you a target

          Not everyone over the limit is that species which is incapable by nature of doing no harm to us and to our neighborhood.

          But they are snared that way, frequently.

        • #2912283

          If you don’t want to pay the fine,

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to Out of state plates makes you a target

          don’t exceed the speed limit. It’s that simple.

        • #2912272

          Just as simple

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to If you don’t want to pay the fine,

          have reasonable limits.

          When laws are unreasonable, they are most often broken.

        • #2912266

          By the unreasonable. nt

          by santeewelding ·

          In reply to Just as simple

          .

        • #2912248

          When booze was illegal

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to By the unreasonable. nt

          everyone/anyone who had a drink was unreasonable?

          If you EVER speed, you are unreasonable?

          Guess I am unreasonable, because I have shattered that law many times over the years. Have never gone over 140mph on the highway though….

        • #2912216

          Strictly

          by santeewelding ·

          In reply to When booze was illegal

          Drinking it was not made illegal by the letter of the law, though I grant that the spirit forbade spirits for their unreasonable results.

          So personally have I experimented with unreasonable speed. Damn near paid for it, too.

          Such is reason. The reasoner needs the underside, too, meaning there to be something else in the works besides that and the obverse.

          Thus do I contend, uncommitted either way until I have to be.

        • #2912228

          What are ‘reasonable’ limits?

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to Just as simple

          It’s been my experience driving all over the U.S. that it doesn’t matter what the posted limit is, people drive 10-15 miles an hour faster. Maybe we should post 50 to get people to drive 60.

        • #2912194

          Determine reasonable

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to What are ‘reasonable’ limits?

          Is it reasonable to try to intentionally set limits of speed just to generate additional revenue via tickets?

          Is it reasonable to make people drive 55 on roads designed to be driven at 80 on?

          Sure, lets set the limit to 40.

          People are in a big hurry to get no where. Always have been, always will be. The slower you drive, the longer you are on the road, the more time you have to get distracted or doze off, causing more accidents, putting more people at risk AND taking up more space on the roads for longer periods of time logically adds to congestion on the roads.

          If the idea is to cut on emissions, ban all air travel.

          If the idea is to save fuel, ban all air travel.

          If the idea is to [b]pretend[/b] to do something about the problem of fuel prices, mess with the speed you will allow people to drive.

          Next will be a government monitoring device in your home to make sure you don’t have the heat to high or the air conditioning to low. Lets give people a ticket if they have old leaky windows.

          Government mandates are not the solution.

        • #2912167

          You laugh but…..

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to Determine reasonable

          In Ontario, there is a voluntary program where you get a special thermostat which may in a time of power shortages, move your thermostat up a couple of degrees (in the summer), when the power company deems it necessary. It is voluntary but you get a discount on your power.

          What happens if we get a real electricity generation crisis and they make them mandatory…..?

          James

        • #2912131

          Validate your premise, please.

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to Determine reasonable

          “Is it reasonable to try to intentionally set limits of speed just to generate additional revenue via tickets?”

          Unless you can provide some data justifying that as the cause, I’m afraid we’re at a philosophical impasse. If the only motivation was to generate additional revenue, all the authorities would have to do is enforce the existing limits. They could do that without attracting the attention raised by lowering the limit.

          “Government mandates are not the solution.”

          Agreed, but people keep asking Congress why they aren’t doing something about gas prices. People cheer when Congressional committees have these wink-and-nudge hearings with the oil industry bigwigs. When Congress tries to take action that affects the other end of the supply chain, suddenly people want the government to butt out. Can’t have it both ways.

        • #2912084

          based upon reading the paper

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Determine reasonable

          that the groups in charge of enforcement of these law have said yesterday in the Detroit Free Press.

        • #2912142

          And some states will make you pay for your ticket on teh spot

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Out of state plates makes you a target

          Canadians are exempt from that now. Of teh 51 states, 41 have a reciprocal agreement with Canada (Ontario speciically) where they will bill Ontario and Ontario notifies your province of residence, the tricket has to be paid in Canada before you can renew your licence, which buys you another 5 years to pay, if need be.

          In the other 10 states, more and more come on board each year, they cannot detain a Canadian for a ticket. They MUST release you with a promise to appear in court if you wish to fight the ticket (this is exaclt why they have worked out a reciprocal agreement).

          Here’s a funny one:
          I had a beater car years ago (’75 Civic what a gas!)that I stripped, stranded and gave away to a kid at a gas station without papers in the USA (Seattle area). Left antifreeze and water all over the gas stations parking lot, should have taken a picture but it was befroe digital cameras were cheap. A truly hilarious mess as I gave the kid puming gas the keys to his new free car, no papers of course.

          About 6 months later the station owner sent me a bill, made on a $10.00 tractor feed printer that looked like it was created on a Commodore64. It was all officially titled as coming from the local authorities and indicated they wanted over $900.00 for storage or I would be flagged at the border, yada, yada, BS .

          I ended up reporting him to local authorities, he was fined for impersonation and had to pay up afew grand in fines himself or he would lose his gas dealers license.

          ‘kin idiot! 😀 😀

          And someone just said US management is among the most highly educated in the world?! LOL

        • #2912135

          Service station owner is hardly “management”

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to And some states will make you pay for your ticket on teh spot

          I sold a car about 14 years ago.

          We have a law in Michigan that states you have 15 days to transfer the title or you get fines. You can also not change or alter anything written, to keep people from “jumping title” by turning around and selling it themselves without ever paying the money for their title ($60 to $200).

          This car had been sold 6 times, each time the new seller crossing out the name of the purchaser and writing the new persons name in. (After the first time, the title was void)

          A dealer finally got a hold of the car, and tried to scare me into signing a paper saying it was still my car or I would get in trouble over this. I still has my receipt for the sale of the car, so I called the secretary of state and informed them of this dealer trying to scam the system AND me.

        • #2912079

          It wasn’t a title issue

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Service station owner is hardly “management”

          The car was dead when I left it a few days earlier, after returning and stripping it, I walked up to the kid pumping gas and said “hey want a car?” he looked a bit dumfounded so I tossed him the keys and got into my car.

          As I was doing so, the owner came out and said “Hey, what are you gonna do with this, you can’t leave it here!” I had already called a salvage yard, who never actually did pick it up, so I said, it’s not my car, talk to him (pointing at the attendant with the keys in his hand) and then left.

          The car was scrapped as abandoned, no title needed at that point.

          But I did think it was pretty funny when the owner decided to send me a storage and towing bill, I turned it on him and he got screwed pretty good. I think I kept the bill for laughs, but don’t know where it is now.

          Believe me, this was a scene from the WebNinja. Truly stupid.

        • #2912133

          Five years?

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to And some states will make you pay for your ticket on teh spot

          In Ontario, you can’t renew your license plate sticker if you have any unpaid tickets to the province(or any under reciprocity agreements), or tolls unpaid to the electronic tollway(which used to be government and is now private). We have to renew every two years.

          I was stopped in North Carolina for speeding a decade a ago, and the officer indicated there was no reciprocity, therefore he was inclined to send me to jail. He was I think trying to intimidate me, cause in the end he let me go, and I had to hire a lawyer to appear on my behalf a few months later (no paralegals in NC at the time). I think I would have preferred reciprocity.

          I could by the way get away with renewing when I had a Quebec ticket…..they didn’t have reciprocity with Ontario, go figure.

          James

        • #2912076

          Yup

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Five years?

          Every 5 years for class 5, Air Care with newer vehicles every two years (every year for older models). ICBC (Insurance)charges (for having an accident, getting certain motor vehicle violations) have to be paid before you can renew your insurance.

        • #2912901

          51 states?

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to And some states will make you pay for your ticket on teh spot

          Damn, my flag is missing a star.

          And why didn’t they tell me that Canada was admitted

        • #2912862

          You actually count Hawaii?

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to 51 states?

          That’s not a state its an overpriced, overpopulated resort for people who have never left the house before.

          I my mind you actually have 50, Alaska is just a drilling outpost (sorry CuteElf).

        • #2912857

          Unless I’ve been sleeping

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to You actually count Hawaii?

          Alaska was 49th, and Hawaii was 50th, and Peurto Rico sometimes wants to be 51st but sometimes wants to be independent

          James

        • #2912790

          Puerto Rico…

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to Unless I’ve been sleeping

          My friend’s wife is from PR.

          1/3 want independence
          1/3 want statehood
          1/3 want the status quo.

          in almost exactly those ratios

        • #2913626

          OMG talking with techies

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Unless I’ve been sleeping

          Regardless of which state actiually became a state at what time and in what order.

          Are there not 52 states in America?

          Therefore elminating ‘out of country’ states such as Hawaii and Alaska, would there not then be 50? It doesn’t matter if Hawaii was the founding state or one tagged on last week, was just a simple point and light hearted comment.

          All of a sudden it turns into a hair splitting contest? Techs!

          It’s like saying “I’ve told you a thousand times!” Only to have someone pipe up, well it was only 856 times, then there were times that you told Dad to tell me, I suppose we could equate that to another 48 times but it certainly isn’t 1000.

          No wonder techs have social issues! LOL

        • #2913624

          ROFL! Good one OZ!

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to Unless I’ve been sleeping

          That was funny!

        • #2913614

          OK LET ME SAY IT SLOWLY FOR OZ

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to Unless I’ve been sleeping

          THERE ARE ONLY 50 STATES. NO ADDITIONS SINCE HAWAII.

          James

        • #2913611

          Spank me wit ha nail filled 2X4

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Unless I’ve been sleeping

          I was actualluy right the first time then, I don’t know why I went for 51 when I had 52 in mind, maybe a typo or may have been brain freeze with the 41 states I was referring to.

          But I actually thought it was 50 states + Alsaka and Hawaii, making 52. Don’t know why, I suppose it has never mattered before, not that it does now.

          Then again, not too many Americans know that we have 6 provinces and 4 territories, and that’s a much smaller group to work with.

          Many americans can’t even find their OWN country on a globe, so it just doesn’t mean anything to me. I certainly can’t NAME all the states or capitols, though I can probably come up with more than most Americans that are actually IN school and studying this crap.

        • #2913597

          A swing and a miss

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to Unless I’ve been sleeping

          Ten provinces and 3 territories, used to be two territories but they split North West Territories into NWT and Nunavut.

          Of course you may be old enough to remember when Newfoundland joined in 1949, but thats before my time….

          Oz, hope you don’t have a citizenship test in your near future…

          James

        • #2913586

          Sure, there’s a 51st state.

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to Unless I’ve been sleeping

          You know, uh, whachacallit; the big one between Michigan and Alaska 😀

        • #2913581

          Isn’t it 46 States

          by tonythetiger ·

          In reply to Unless I’ve been sleeping

          and 4 Commonwealths (KY, MA, PA, and VA)?

          🙂

        • #2913566

          I used to think there were seven New England states.

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to Unless I’ve been sleeping

          Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Mass., R.I., Conn., and Florida. Now I know better. Florida is not the seventh New England state; it’s the sixth NYC borough.

        • #2913564

          Damn it, James!!! I was pitching not hitting!

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Unless I’ve been sleeping

          Of course I know how many provinces and territories are in Canada. I wanted to see if an American would correct me, not you.

          Gawd, can’t even bury a hook with all these ‘straight ups’ around here.

        • #2913562

          Oh the pretty state

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Unless I’ve been sleeping

          The one that you get your oil, lumber, fish, grains, meat, electricity, etc. from!

          Nice place, bunch of Frenchies living near the middle but the coasts are pretty sweet! (sorry James)

        • #2913520

          Don’t forget the state of the union!

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to Unless I’ve been sleeping

          Though we may have to address that in January.

      • #2912162

        Speed that the cops will stop you

        by oz_media ·

        In reply to Me either…

        Now that used to be somewhat predictable around here, not so much these days.

        In Abbotsford, I was ticketd for doing 86kmph in an 80kmph zone. 6 kms?!?!? AND I was being passed by another driver while he pulled me over. They generally allow 5kmph for speedometer variation, otherwise any lawyer can knock it out of the courtroom. Over 5kmph and you have to get a speedometer calibration test, if it is accurate you pay the ticket, if it is not accurate you pay to have it recalibrated. Don’t buy oversize tires and rims!

        It didn’t stand up in court but still, they are changing their rules for stopping people. It used to be the rule of thumb was 10kmph over the highway limit or 5 over the city limit was ignored.

        But with everyone driving a minimum of 120kmph on 100kmph highways and 60 in 50kmph cities, it has been sliding. In short it is simply their discretion now, if they feel like pulling you over they will, if not they usually speed faster than most others anyway.

        They have been pushing the ‘speed kills’ slogans lately, with teenagers off for summer and doing a lot of partying and highway driving to lakes and campsites (especially with the Kelowna regatta and Penticton Peach festivals that turn those little towns into party zones for a few days each summer. They said they were cancelled years ago after the riots but they are still going full steam in the summer), so the highway patrols are a lot tighter, cities are still somewhat lax at 60kmph (I often push 70-80 in some areas I know aren’t patrolled though).

        In Washinton and Oregon, they seek out our blue BC plates as if we are the catch of the day. BC residents drive faster than Washington residents as out limits are a bit higher all around. So I usually just trail along at the speed of other traffic to avoid issues, I have yet to have a ticket stick from a US police officer or sheriff though, they are suprisingly easy to beat as the cops never turn up in court, having it tossed out immediately. Sure I have to waste time in the US to do so, but I always find a client to visit, friend to hang out with, I know a lot of US promoters and often find a concert to catch anyway.

        It is still a pain in the arse. In a way I still win though, instead of a speeding ticket, I pay $6 to cross the border, make a few bucks at Emerald Downs or see a show for free.

        I don’t bother buying gas in the US anymore (to at least save on fuel costs), it is just too low octane, low quality fuel that makes the truck run like shite for a few tankfulls but I guess you get what you pay for anyway, you can buy Canadian gas in Point Roberts but you can’t access anywhere else in the US from Point Roberts as it is just a wee peninsula for buying Canadian gas, cheap groceries and a place to catch the odd band where beers are cheap (they even have Guinness on tap!!).

        • #2912146

          My rule of thumb…

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to Speed that the cops will stop you

          On a 400 series highway (major highways with a speed limit of 100 kph/62 MPH) I set the cruise at 129 (80 mph), and keep cruising. Sure I get passed alot. But I pass the radar traps easily.

          James

        • #2912074

          You’d get pulled here

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to My rule of thumb…

          They will pull you at 110, but you can ususally get away with 120+ just don’t fly by the traps and you are okay, if you hit a trap and he doesn’t already have a ticket to write, your number is up.

          With the vast number of ‘foreign’ drivers in Richmond and Vancouver, they all drive 90 on a 100 hwy, 40-50 kmph on a 50kmph city road. ALL of them and with no exaggeration at all. So doing 130 you stand out like a sore thumb, that is if they are not doing 90 in the fast lane of course. You can flash lights, honk, offer a one finger salute, etc and they will not notice you as they dawdle along at 90 in front of you.

          When you get beside them ot pass in teh right ,ane, you can stare at teh driver, honnk, wave etc. and they wont take that white knockled focus away from teh road and have absolutelu NO idea what they are doing wrong, have no idea you are there or upset, just absolutely 100% clueless and driving in a tunnel by themselves it seems.

          No exaggeration on that one at all by the way. Completely oblivious to the world around them.

        • #2911884

          You forget

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to You’d get pulled here

          I can now drive from the airport to Burnaby on near autopilot. Driving up marine I find lots of dawdlers. Always fun when my boss keeps me late and I rush to the airport to find my route jammed with traffic.

          I was more careful driving to Abbotsford, given I’d never been there and its less crowded(easier to set up traps). I had a nice Pontiac G6, so I was tempted to open her up.

          James

        • #2912912

          Marine shortcut

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to You forget

          Next time you are around, let me know and we’ll get together for more than 20 mins.

          Seeing as teh east west connector is under 2010 construction for a while now, Marine is the right direction, but before you get to Knight st, turn left (south) to Kent ave. (mapp qust it) Kent runs parallel to Marine and will be clear as day for you, it comes out right at the foot of the Arthur Laing bridge (with a left turn signal at Marine).

          It’s the local’s route. 😉

        • #2912899

          Don’t do that in the people’s republic of new jersey!

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to My rule of thumb…

          If you drive more than 10 MPH (16 kph) over the speed limit, you are TOAST.

          Oh, and Georgia, Kansas and West Virginia, better keep that needle pinned on the speed limit or you WILL get a ticket.

        • #2912881

          The only state

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to Don’t do that in the people’s republic of new jersey!

          Where I have receieved a ticker is North Carolina.

          I am much more careful driving in the US than I am in Canada. I don’t drive recklessly here either, but consider that our roads in Ontario were designed in the 60s and 70s to be able to sustain 75 MPH limits safely, as that was the speed limit at the time. Now we are driving slower with much safer cars in terms of brakes, tires and safety features. My average speed on Ontario roads is 75-80 MPH, but since our limits are 100kph/62 MPH, thats fast. Of course I’m not alone, and I take care to not be the fastest car around me.

          I’ve driven in New York, Ohio, Michigan, Alabama, Texas, Florida, California, and Oregon, as well as North Carolina. I assume the worst.

          I’ve heard lots of stories of Ontarians headed to Florida who get blitzed by special March Break radar traps in Ohio.

          I also know a man who was an Ontario cabinet minister in the 80s who went with a gang of friends down to Florida one March. He discovered at the border he forgot his wallet, but the border people let him through. He should not have gotten behind the wheel though, he was stopped in Georgia and received a complimentary overnight stay in jail while they confirmed his identity.

          James

        • #2912789

          Georgia is the worst!

          by locrian_lyric ·

          In reply to The only state

          New Jersey isn’t bad if you stay to the highways, but go local with foreign plates and you’re a cash-cow to the local PD.

        • #2912748

          Local roads in NJ are notorious

          by av . ·

          In reply to Georgia is the worst!

          They love to stop foreign or out of state plates. Theres a good amount of profiling going on as well in some of the small town fiefdoms. Especially, in western NJ.

          AV

        • #2912597

          That doesn’t always work.

          by tonythetiger ·

          In reply to The only state

          [i]I take care to not be the fastest car around me.[/i]

          Cop: “Do you know why I pulled you over?”

          Driver: “Yes, because you couldn’t (or were too lazy to) catch the guy who just passed me!”

        • #2912592

          It does in Ontario

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to That doesn’t always work.

          I’ve driven by a number of speed traps in Ontario at 30 kph (18 MPH) cause I didn’t see them in time. I keep looking in the mirror for the red light but nothing.

          The only conclusion I come to is that they are looking for someone faster cause they get more points/credit on their quota for bigger fines.

          James

        • #2912733

          Can’t speak for Kansas or West Va

          by nicknielsen ·

          In reply to Don’t do that in the people’s republic of new jersey!

          But if you’re only doing the speed limit on an interstate in Georgia, you’re obstructing traffic!

          Here in SC, the Highway Patrol will not usually mess with you for less than 10 mph over the posted limit; the fine ($25) isn’t worth the trouble. You’ll probable get cited for more than 10 over, and you’ll definitely be cited for 15 over the limit.

          In my experience, the worst offenders for speeding in SC are from North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Virginia, and, yes, New Jersey. I say this because I consistently do 78-80 on the interstates and am even more consistently passed by cars with plates from those states. 45k miles last year; very large sample!

        • #2912732

          Do the speed limit in FL on the interstates…

          by boxfiddler ·

          In reply to Can’t speak for Kansas or West Va

          and you’re likely to get mowed over. I don’t why they even waste money on speed limit signs in FL. Oh wait, maybe they mean that’s the minimum? Georgia too that way, in my experience, with the exception of Valdosta south on I75. They’ll nail ya there.

        • #2912725

          Oh, yeah, know all about that!

          by nicknielsen ·

          In reply to Do the speed limit in FL on the interstates…

          You don’t break the speed limit on I-75 between the FL state line and mile 23! Lived in Valdosta for 5 years. Everybody there knows that the Lowndes County sheriff’s department and the GA State Patrol are just looking for another record-breaking drug bust…any excuse to stop a car!

    • #2912303

      This is the most idiotic…

      by notsochiguy ·

      In reply to I can’t drive 55

      …thing I’ve heard from the US government in days!! 😉

      Seriously, this is just ridiculous. If anyone can consistently hit 55MPH during rush hour in the Chicago area (among the highest gas prices in the nation, thanks to the Mobster Mayor tax, the Crook County tax, etc…so much for 55MPH cutting fuel costs) during rush hour, hats off to you. If you’re getting 30MPH, you feel lucky.

      I would imagine just about any objective researcher would be able to show that gridlock is far worse than is cars going 75MPH on the open road. (pollution, wasted gas, wear&tear, etc)

      What’s next, requiring that everyone driving under 45MPH roll down the windows as opposed to using the AC???

      Why oh why do we not require that people running for office be subjected to a comprehensive battery of standardized tests (televised, of course, for major positions)?? We require more of our PE teachers than we do of our public officials!!

      • #2912282

        “Battery” of tests :)

        by tonythetiger ·

        In reply to This is the most idiotic…

        Each wrong answer raises the voltage by 25 volts and at the end the test, the total voltage is applied to areas most sensitive 🙂

      • #2912280

        So what’s the problem?

        by charliespencer ·

        In reply to This is the most idiotic…

        If you aren’t going over 30, what difference does it make if the signs say 70 or 55?

        • #2912268

          As they have found in Toronto

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to So what’s the problem?

          the slower the limits, the more congestion is CREATED.

          If you let traffic flow faster to begin with, you don’t get as much gridlock.

        • #2912252

          Also

          by notsochiguy ·

          In reply to As they have found in Toronto

          Just the principle behind it seems flawed.

          “Hey, we’ve failed to mandate fuel efficient cars, though the rest of the world has no problems with it. We don’t want to increase production capacity, and are unable to move towards any substantial alternatives. So, we’re going to make like Elway, and pass this buck right back to you, our constituents.”

          If they came out and said that, at least I’d respect the honesty of it.

    • #2912298

      Simple Solution

      by maxwell edison ·

      In reply to I can’t drive 55

      Well, it’s rather simple to identify, but not really so simple to implement.

      The federal government cannot mandate state speed limits, state seat belt laws, or any other state highway law. What they have done in the past, however, was to pass legislation that would deny federal highway funds to any state that does not follow some established federal guideline.

      The feds do it all the time: your doctors and hospitals will behave a certain way, or you won’t get federal Medicare/Medicaid dollars; you’ll have mandatory seat belt laws (or a maximum speed limit of ## MPH), or you’ll be denied federal highway funds; you’ll teach certain things a certain way in your public schools, or you’ll not get federal education dollars.

      Solution: STOP SENDING MONEY TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT! Get people to understand the sovereignty rights of their own state. Elect your state’s U.S. Representatives and Senators who will work to pass federal legislation to untangle and release the strangle-hold the federal government has over state governments and their citizens. (Fat chance!) Instead, we see people who continue to support measures that do nothing but yield even more power to the federal government, freely giving up their very own state’s rights and their own individual rights – like those who want to abolish the individual state elections for president, and instead hold a national election!

      In the case of jd’s example, the individual states could, in concert, snub their collective noses at the federal government, refusing to comply. If enough states would resist, the federal measure would probably not pass. If it did pass anyway, the respective states’ legislators could seek ways to keep its citizens dollars from going to the federal government in the first place. (Again, fat chance.) In the meantime, call your U.S. Senators and Representatives and tell them to vote against the measure. (If they’ll listen, that is. But most of them were elected in the first place because they presumed to know what was best for the individual – and the individual bought into it and sold his/her vote.)

      But states standing up to the federal government was a concept that was pretty much lost in the 1860s, and their fate became sealed with the passage of the 16th Amendment, some 50 years later. That one amendment gave the federal government the power to control you – and to blackmail you – with your own money! I truly don’t understand people who freely give up their rights to people in the federal government who presume to know better than the state or the individual. That is, in essence, what they do. Repealing the 16th Amendment would be the best way to wrest individual and state power back from the federal government.

      Man, why don’t they teach this in the public schools? Oh yea, the feds hold tightly onto the education purse strings, and states’ school boards will capitulate in order to get their own money returned to them. And they probably only get part of it back!

      • #2912292

        Some interesting reading

        by maxwell edison ·

        In reply to Simple Solution

        .
        http://www.givemeliberty.org/features/taxes/notratified.htm

        Although every challenge to the 16th Amendment in federal court has been either lost or dismissed.

      • #2912276

        Thank you.

        by charliespencer ·

        In reply to Simple Solution

        I don’t have any problem with a 55 mph limit. However, if others do, they should do as you suggest: make a note of their legislators that support it. Decide whether this issue takes precedence over the elected official’s other positions. Vote accordingly. Lather, rinse, repeat.

    • #2912296

      They’re already doing that

      by tonythetiger ·

      In reply to I can’t drive 55

      [i]blatant attempt to generate “revenue” via excessive speeding tickets.[/i]

      due to the economic times cities are facing… by enforcing the existing limit more strictly. Tickets are being handed out for 2 or 3 miles over the limit! Many jurisdictions are adding a fuel charge too (for what, the idle time while they’re writing up the ticket? Shut the damn thing off!), so ANY speeding ticket is going to cost you at least $125. Be careful if you up-size your tires!

      • #2912287

        don’t speed here then

        by jaqui ·

        In reply to They’re already doing that

        tickets of 150 for 10 miles over the limit is the law here.

        and after it’s 20 over the limit it’s something like an extra 5 a mile over.
        [ except it’s in kilometers not miles ]

        • #2912261

          20 over here

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to don’t speed here then

          is an automatic do not pass go, go straight to jail. Reckless driving, and you automatically get a free ride with jewelry.

        • #2912188

          Wow! They treat you worse than we get

          by neilb@uk ·

          In reply to 20 over here

          Twenty over will get you a fine and three points on your licence unless you were driving particularly badly (twelve points in a three year period gets you a six month ban). Thirty over here will nearly always get you an immediate ban. To get jail time on the first offence, you’d need to be doing sixty over. To be sure of jail you probably have to maim or kill a couple of children or get caught way over the booze limit whilst already banned from last time. Over the booze limit gets you dragged back to the cop-shop and banned. No handcuffs, though.

        • #2912144

          They are quite nuts here in Michigan

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Wow! They treat you worse than we get

          They have let the overly emotional, underly rational MAD (mothers against drunk driving) push through legislation that if you drink two AMERICAN beers in an hour, you will be legally drunk. Imagine if you drank a real one instead of a crappy miller? :0

          They will not be happy until all booze is outlawed.

          Picture this, legislators are even talking about banning smoking from bars/pubs.

          It is out of control.

        • #2912130

          Smoking in pubs

          by neilb@uk ·

          In reply to They are quite nuts here in Michigan

          has been banned here for a year, now. some pubs set aside smoking areas and others just spill out into the street. This is Friday evening last week at the Market Porter near our office. Nearly everybody in this photograph is drinking at the pub – which is nearly empty.


          Neil

        • #2912083

          drinking outside

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Smoking in pubs

          here, they have to have it enclosed and have the proper permits. real picky about taking a drink outside or leaving with it.

          where are the cars????

        • #2912077

          Where are the cars?

          by neilb@uk ·

          In reply to Smoking in pubs

          The pub is in a side street behind a large organic food market. The street doesn’t really go anywhere except the market and at the time, 6:30, the market was just about closed. Just around the corner to the right is The Wheatsheaf which has similar crowds outside. Cars do go down the street – but very slowly – and only if they really need to.

          😀

        • #2912053

          Doesn’t fly here – uh oh, gonna lose it now, RANT COMING ON!!!!

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Smoking in pubs

          A new law states you cant’ smoke within 6 metres of any public doorway, or air vent.

          They wind up gathering just around the corner of the pub or in the alleys. They started the whole issue here due to Workers Compensation Board complaints about waitresses not being able to work in a bar because it was detrimental to their health.

          SO DON’T WORK IN A ‘KIN STRIP CLUB BEEEEOTCH!!!!! It’s as if smoking was a new trend and all these waitresses were all of a sudden being inconvenienced, IT’S A BAR!! PEOPLE SMOKE! Even people that don’t normally smoke will often smoke while having a drink. ‘kin Canadian government too PC for their own good.


          The other day I was at the track and just about dummied a guy for telling me not to smoke a cigar in the General admission bleachers (back was sore so I din’t go hang out on the tarmack or in the clubhouse). So I am sitting in the midst of 10+ smoking Oriental men in a section designated for smoking. This ‘kin tosser turns around (sittin g15′ away and upwind) and tells me that he doesn’t like my cigar and that the law states you can’t smoke within 20 feet of a public place. I was initially quite polite, well as polite as one can be in that situation, and explained that there was a smoking section just the other side of the finish line (50′ away). He said that was illegal and that the law says 20 from any public place.

          So I decided to play on his logic and explained that first of all, there are NO Canadian laws which restrict anything for 20 feet, as Canada recognizes the metric system. Futhermore, that there are signs on the doors 15′ behind me, that you must smoke 6 metres from the doorway and that HE was actually sitting in a smoking section.

          So he then turned to a guy near him and asked what HE thougt of my smoking, again, ignoring the fact that people are smoking all around him. When his new friend piped in that HE didn’t like smoke either I got pi$$ed off at both of them.

          He flaged down a security guard who also told him where the non smoking section was, to which he guy again went on about how illegal it was and that you can’t smoke within 20′ of a public place.

          I laughed and said that people downtown would all be stuck in the middle of the intersection while smoking if it was 20’ from any public place.

          He got really PO’d and asked for the security guard’s boss, so I offered to help him at that point. Knowing the VP, I went to his office and told him that there was an issue he probably wanted to straighten out.

          When I returned the guy was still hopping mad with security, three guys now and had people all telling him to shut up of get lost. So the VP shows up and explains that he can have a free meal in the Clubhouse restaurant if he would like to leave the stands. To that very kind offer, the guy started going on and on about calling a cop and how the track was breaking “the 20 foot law” .

          Finally, after pushing it a bit too far, he was politely told to leave, at this he fumed away and said “‘kin Canadians don’t know how to follow the law. In my state you’d be locked up for not abiding by state laws.” At that time I finally realized he was American, I’d say he’s pretty lucky I didn’t catch on earlier, I would have just dropped the clown on the spot and dealt with his mangled body later.

          ‘kin mouthpiece on MY turf talking to MY freinds that way! I can deal with people going on at me, I can defend that muyself, but when you start disrespecting people I respect you’ve gone too far, especially after people kindly tried to set him straight and offer him a table in the clubhouse with a free meal (that can run near $100.00 pretty quickly with the table charge).

          What a lucky bugger, I should have picked it up (his being American) right away with the 20’ comments but I figured enough Canadians still think in feet that it wasn’t relevant. It was a bust saturday and the place was full of wankers that ruin the odds and bet chalk all day so nobody gets any real payouts.

          And that’s what Canadians see of Americans in Canada. In this case a retard without a clue and yet they still say its a stereotype, pretty big one at that though.

        • #2912047

          Nobody rants quite like you, Oz…

          by boxfiddler ·

          In reply to Smoking in pubs

          being a fan of ‘the rant’, I tend to look for them. 😀

        • #2912023

          smoking in pubs and speed

          by half9 ·

          In reply to Smoking in pubs

          we have had a ban on pub/restaurant/malls, smoking for a few years now ,most pubs have a area nearly always covered, for smokers,and anyone who wants to go out there.Most pubs have meals too and a lot of people like a smoke after eating. A lot are on the frontage with tables ect and some even have tv there, and a bar. It was a case of having too to retain custom. People were just going down to the wholesaler or supermarket and buying beer ect and taking it home.

          Speed in this country is a thorny one, ok our roads are quite windy compared to the U.S, and we have speed cameras,fixed and in police cars and in private cars too,speeds are usually 30 mph/50km in town and 100km/62mph on the open road. But now local areas can restrict speeds around schools ect,and if it is a strange area and you dont pay real attention,to the speed signs. You can get caught,mainly because you dont know the speed limit for that area. It could be 30-40 km. Its a bloody minefield

        • #2911945

          Looks like Oz found out

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Smoking in pubs

          why most of us don’t like the majority of the liberal democrats here either….

          It is my guess that your “smoking companion” was either from Washington or California.

          They are pretty much useless, as you found out, because that is how they live their lives. Loud, obnoxious, ignorant, and totally self absorbed.

          Now back up 20 feet, because it is time to light up! B-)

        • #2912908

          Oh I’ve definitely seen teh difference over the years

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Smoking in pubs

          I know that Washington and California are full of nut jobs. Real whackos there! Funny that you skipped Oregon though, I find people there are VERY concerned abotu teh environment and protecting their state appearance. Perhaps not radical lefties but certainly more aware of what’s going on around them.

          Oregon people seemed a little more grounded , laid back and just happy to be wake up each morning. (Oregon reminds me of BC in many ways, but is still just a wee state).

          I find people on the East cost are pretty friendly despite the population density, which is pretty odd really, just as Canada’s east coast is full of people ready to have a complete stranger over for dinner.

          The mid US, not bad but I find people pretty backward, it seems they haven’ tbeen out much, as for the south (both southern coasts too), that’s just laughable, peoeple just love to sit right in that typical American stereotype and I swear they go out of their way to be even more hick than they really are.

        • #2912894

          If only Lex’s plan had worked

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Smoking in pubs

          in Superman I and California had slid right into the ocean…. just think of all the new beachfront property?

          I do believe that a lot of the dumb american stereotype does come from the very visible California citizens. They do us and the world a grave disservice. 🙁

          Southern hicks. What could you possibly have against Mae? :0

        • #2912858

          Ssshhhhhhh

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Smoking in pubs

          I have nothing against her all, in fact I think she shines a positive light on the south. (good save???)

          Anyway, as I have always said, it is the few that speak volumes for the rest, we have our number of clowns too, I just find them more rampant in the USA (there sure are a lot of them when you have 10X the population!!).

          But its not just me that sees this side of America, I’m just the one who actually admits it to Americans, most others just laugh behind your backs.

        • #2912731

          With your flappy little heads

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Smoking in pubs

          B-)

        • #2913622

          JD, just an FYI

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Smoking in pubs

          I know how hard it is to discern sometimes, but Terrence and Phillip are actually cartoon characters.

          Now I know that you elect cartoon characters as president in the USA but in Canada we elect dried up old farts that like to wear boring suits and sit in an old, musty smelling chamber for their meetings.

        • #2913585

          Being the butt of the joke

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Smoking in pubs

          It seems like everyone always needs to make someone else the butt of the joke to make themselves feel better.

          We understand why people feel the need to behave in such a manner. Easier to try to take someone else down than to lift yourself up.

          As for South Park, I don’t know WHY they make fun of Canadians like they do, but it is just as funny to me as when Eddy Murphy makes fun of white males. Or when Family Guy makes fun of the Brits. People take things to seriously.

        • #2913579

          Blame Canada!

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to Smoking in pubs

          Sheila: Time’s have changed
          Our kids are kids are getting worse
          They wont obey their parents
          They just want to fart and curse!
          Sharon: Should we blame the government?
          Liane: Or blame society?
          Dads: Or should we blame the images on TV?
          Sheila: No, blame Canada
          Everyone: Blame Canada
          Sheila: With all their beady little eyes
          And flappin heads so full of lies
          Everyone: Blame Canada
          Blame Canada
          Sheila: We need to form a full assault
          Everyone: It’s Canadas fault!
          Sharon: Don’t blame me
          For my son Stan
          He saw the darn cartoon
          And now he’s off to join the Klan!
          Liane: And my boy Eric once
          Had my picture on his shelf
          But now when I see him he tells me to fuck myself!
          Sheila: Well, blame Canada
          Everyone: Blame Canada
          It seems that everythings gone wrong
          Since Canada came along
          Everyone: Blame Canada
          Blame Canada
          Some Guy: There not even a real country anyway
          Ms. McCormick: My son could’ve been a doctor or a lawyer it’s true
          Instead he burned up like a piggy on a barbecue
          Everyone: Should we blame the matches?
          Should we blame the fire?
          Or the doctors who allowed him to expire?
          Sheila: Heck no!
          Everyone: Blame Canada
          Blame Canada
          Sheila: With all their hockey hubbabaloo
          Liane: And that bitch Anne Murray too
          Everyone: Blame Canada
          Shame on Canada
          The smut we must stop
          The trash we must smash
          Laughter and fun
          must all be undone
          We must blame them and cause a fuss
          Before someone thinks of blaming uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus

          Um who here thinks that this is making fun of Canada – anyone? anyone?

          Canadian Bacon similary mocked Canadians, but in doing so was really making fun of Americans. Dan Ackroyd as a cop was funny (his dad was chief of police in Ottawa at one time). But Stephen Wright as a mountie was soooo funny.

          James

        • #2913559

          JD that’s what I’ve always said too

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Smoking in pubs

          I can laugh at other people because I am also the first to laugh at myself when I do something stupid.

          I laugh at other countries and races, but I can also laugh at Canada, England (the governments are just as screwed up as any)and I can laugh at stodgy white guys that can’t dance.

          In other words, I can laugh at all our differences, not just someoen else’s.

          Its a gas sometimes just how personally offended people get when you slag off America. Geez if I lived there, I would be shakign my head and laughign at the government and global policies too, it’s not just because i am not in America. Face it, its all a joke. The only part that REALLY sucks is that joke in the USA is actually killing foreign and American people in the process.

        • #2913554

          James – I will :D

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Smoking in pubs

          Get lost with you Anti-canadian sentiment. People like you belong in France with the other pansies who don’t stand up for their country. I can’t believe that you are a Canadian citizen, we should just exile all people with your mindset! You won’t be laughing so hard when you are starving and Canadian bacon is all yuo have to live on!

        • #2913517

          Honestly..

          by maecuff ·

          In reply to Smoking in pubs

          I’m from Northern Ky. We really AREN’T considered ‘The South’. We’re kinda like the South without the charm.

        • #2912025

          They’re equally nuts in NJ

          by av . ·

          In reply to They are quite nuts here in Michigan

          If you have 2 beers in NJ, you’re taking your chances. Especially around holidays. They have State Troopers tucked away on the highways just waiting. God help you if you happen to drive a red sports car. You better not drink nothin’ then. :0

          We can’t smoke in any restaurant or bar in NJ. I think there are only certain casinos that still have a smoking area. Some beaches have non-smoking areas. NJ even considered banning smoking while driving. WTF! My car is NOT a public place! Whats next? My house? :0

          I look at NJ as the “NO” state. Sorry to hear that Michigan is on its way. It is all sooo out of control. They won’t be happy until they control everything little thing we do.

          AV

        • #2911999

          Because Democrats know better than you do

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to They’re equally nuts in NJ

          they have an obligation to take over your life.

          The proposed smoking ban in Michigan, funny, how they want to exempt casinos and horse tracks….. We know who is giving the most money to the politicians….

        • #2911899

          In the past…

          by ed woychowsky ·

          In reply to They’re equally nuts in NJ

          Some New Jersey bars where on a calling tree. For a small fee they would be forewarned of DUI checkpoints before they were set up. This kept the customers happy. 🙂

        • #2911885

          Illinois is right there with you

          by notsochiguy ·

          In reply to They’re equally nuts in NJ

          Let me start by saying that I do not smoke at all; and have a strong disdain for the habit. That being said, banning smoking in all places seems like a sort of discrimination to me (if you want to make the health argument, you’d better be for banning all people that have the flu, mumps, chicken pox, etc, from being in public places as well…economic impact of lost days of work from those ailments are fairly robust, I’d surmise). At the least, there should be some special licenses that allow establishments to operate as ‘smoker-friendly’. If people don’t want to go there, let it be their choice (I’ve stayed away from places I knew to be overly smoky for my taste…no great detriment to me or the business).

          Want to know how far Illinois has sunk? Chicago’s laws regarding the stop light cameras are in direct conflict of the state’s law (state = driver responsibility, Chicago light cameras = owner responsibility). The case went to court, and the judge ruled (and this is a quote from the Fox news cast last night) “the public safety issues outweigh the concerns over the rights of the vehicle owner”.

          Comrades, welcome to Illinois; no longer the Land of Lincoln, but the Land of Commies.

          Why the safety issues and owner rights are mutually exclusive is beyond me…but since the lights have generated $80.2 million worth of tickets (that seems exceptionally high…but that is what Fox news stated), I don’t think they’re going away anytime soon.

        • #2912736

          NJ is forever blue

          by av . ·

          In reply to They’re equally nuts in NJ

          Of COURSE the Democrats know whats best for the rest of us. Thats why this state is almost bankrupt. ?:| I’ve gone out to some bars in NJ where the police are right near the door when you come out. I was astonished that they have the right to do that. I think its major harassment and one step closer to prohibition.

          AV

        • #2912728

          I remember hearing about the calling trees, Ed

          by av . ·

          In reply to They’re equally nuts in NJ

          I think that still goes on. I think thats great. Who wants to go out for dinner and a drink or two and have to worry about being stopped in a DUI checkpoint? I don’t. I’m a responsible person and know my limits with alcohol. I think most people are responsible and don’t need to be stopped unless they are doing something wrong. Maybe its a deterent to some, but honestly I don’t see any difference between now and when they didn’t have DUI checkpoints.

          AV

        • #2912722

          I hate smoking too, Saigman

          by av . ·

          In reply to They’re equally nuts in NJ

          But I still unfortunately smoke sometimes and the only place its ok to do it is in my car. I haven’t smoked in a public place in years because of the laws.

          NJ just started with the stop light cameras in some places. I totally expect to get a ticket in the mail someday soon because I didn’t come to a full stop at a stop sign. Thats a technicality. If it didn’t endanger anyone, what is the problem? I see from Illinois what we can look forward to here.

          AV

        • #2913615

          If it didn’t endanger anyone, what is the problem?

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to They’re equally nuts in NJ

          It’s considered disobeying a traffic signal. You failed to stop, therefore you disobeyed a traffic signal.

          I think that red light cameras are for red lights, not stop signs, unless you have them for stop signs too.

          I JUSt fought a red light ticket in court, it took just over a YEAR for teh court date, from eth time of teh “offense”. It was at 7PM after a 2.5 hour drive home (usually 30 mins) from my old office. Bumboer to bumper all the way, accidents everywhere after a snow storm and teh street was thick with ice.

          The photo shows my vehicle travelling UNDER the speed limit, with all brake lights on, as I slid across the stop line. At that point I just accelerated through the intersection.

          Now apparently, I should have been driving below 5kmph though, according to the judge, I should have allowed more time to stop in such conditions. I explained that a 46000lb vehicle, even travelling at 5kmph, would not be able to stop with such a reduced coefficient of friction. There was a line of about 30 people, all ticketed on the same night at the same intersection. They judge asked if anyone would simply wanted to plead guilty but request a reduction in the cost, to which they all stood up and nobody got a reduction, due to various reasons. Being a stubborn bugger I decided to plead not guilty and take it to task, may as well she isn’t going to reduce it. Well I didn’t kill it but I halved it to $80 which isn’t all that bad, even though it was a stupid ticket to begin with.

          Upon telling my brother (my attorney) later on, he laughed and said I was really lucky as nobody ever gets a fine reduced from her, most just take it and leave. But I wanted some more time away from the office, had no sales calls and would rather argue in court than go to work.

          This happened a few years back in heavy rain in another city, and the judge took one glance and said it was unsafe to stop and threw it out.

          Just a way for our poor city to make a few bucks. It is almost flattering that the province needs MY income so badly to survive that even my taxes aren’t enough.

        • #2913479

          Yes, I didn’t come to a full stop, but I stopped enough

          by av . ·

          In reply to They’re equally nuts in NJ

          I’m not used to cameras at intersections. We are just adopting this wonderful, new technology in NJ.

          I hope its used for red lights only, but I doubt it. That little camera could be the next cash cow for the city because you have a stop sign and a red light at the same intersection. My only saving grace is that I work with lots of lawyers in the area. :^0

          You lucked out, Oz. You are your own expert witness and judges respect that kind of presentation. Also, the not guilty plea. Judges in a municipal court have a huge caseload and they know a BS scene when they see it. I’m sure its much the same where you are. You threw down the gauntlet. Good one! Maybe you should have been a lawyer.

          AV :^0

        • #2913463

          Come on down to the South

          by nicknielsen ·

          In reply to They’re equally nuts in NJ

          We yield at stop signs and stop at yield signs!

          And no, we’re not illiterate…our parents were married!

        • #2912184

          It used to be

          by tonythetiger ·

          In reply to don’t speed here then

          court costs plus a dollar a mile if less than 15 miles over or 2 dollars a mile if 15 or more miles over (or 15 miles UNDER, which will also get you a ticket). (Court costs varied by county, but typically were in the $60-80 range). Typically you could “get by with” 10 miles over on the highway and 5 miles over in town. The law hasn’t changed except for the fuel surcharge in some jurisdictions…. just the tolerance level has (not just speeding either, but parking… grass height… etc. they’re making money off of citizen any way they can… and they wonder why people are leaving…. morons!)

          I don’t speed… was just relaying the recent experience of those who did.

    • #2912285

      I don’t have any problem with it.

      by charliespencer ·

      In reply to I can’t drive 55

      “Should this be allowed to go through, or should we stand up and demand the feds back off? … it is moving to a more oppressive government. ”

      There’s nothing new about what you’re calling ‘oppression’. The feds effectively set the limit now by controlling the allocation of highway funds. If enough voters in a state decide they want a speed limit higher than the federal standard, they can elect state officials to set the rate the voters want and turn down the federal money. As long as they’re funding the interstates, they have the power of the purse to back up their standards.

      As to excessive speeding tickets, almost speeding tickets are due to choices each individual driver makes. If you don’t want to pay the ticket, don’t exceed the speed limit. Sorry, no sympathy.

      This is what people get when they start screaming at Congress to do something about gas prices. I personally don’t have a problem with a 55 mph limit. It was done in the ’70s and the Four Horsemen didn’t ride.

    • #2912278

      Cruise control…

      by boxfiddler ·

      In reply to I can’t drive 55

      an excellent utility for staying within the speed limit. Having a lead foot, I speak from experience.

      Too many of our citizens have either not been voting, or voting single issue vs. overall national climate, voting out of fear, self-interest for too long. We are simply harvesting the fruits of decades of mis-managed citizenship.

      Apparently, most cops in my neck of the woods have lead feet, too. Suckers zip past me and the other law abiding drivers like we’re standing still. No cherries, no sirens, just because they can.

      • #2912258

        In a previous car I had

        by jdclyde ·

        In reply to Cruise control…

        the cruise would vary, depending on the road, and you could find yourself going 5 mph on either side of what you set it for. :0

        before the gas prices, I set my cruise to 78mph. Stay under 80mph in Mi and you are fine. It is now 65mph unless I HAVE to be somewhere, and need to shave off that extra 15 minutes (each way) I have imposed upon myself.

        • #2912224

          Oddly enough,

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to In a previous car I had

          I get better mileage at 55 than I do at 50. It’s 17 miles to work, 13 of it marked at 55. I drove it for years at 50 thinking it would save some fuel, speeding up to the limit if anyone was behind me. When I went up to 55 full time, I picked up an average 1.5 more miles per gallon. Maybe I should try 60, but the peace of mind from ignoring law enforcement vehicles is worth whatever minimal mileage and time I might gain.

        • #2912192

          What is your speed on the highways?

          by jdclyde ·

          In reply to Oddly enough,

          when it is posted 70 or 75, how fast do you drive?

          why should you have to drive in fear of law enforcement, based upon an arbitrary law? Lets get them chasing REAL criminals.

        • #2912170

          Speed limit 70

          by neilb@uk ·

          In reply to What is your speed on the highways?

          On the six-lane Motorways, cops will rarely bother about 80, 85 and will seldom cause grief at 90 and save themselves for the 100+. There are no speed cameras on our Motorways except in a couple of places and you’ll only get tagged for speeding if you are tailed by a police car which will probably be unmarked.

          On non-Motorway four-lane and six-lane roads, there are many more traps, cameras and the like and I’d probably not go over 80 although the limit is still 70. On two-lane roads, limit is 60 and, given the bends in our roads, that’s mostly fast enough.

          55? I couldn’t cope with that at all.

          Neil 🙂

        • #2912125

          On the highway I drive the posted limit in the right-hand lane. Period.

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to What is your speed on the highways?

          I drive the limit on all roads – single-lane, dual-lane, controlled-access interstate. Ask any of my co-workers following me on the way to or from work, or my relatives when we’re in multiple vehicles. However, I will slow down when I’m being tailgated, which I define as being unable to see the bottom of trailing car’s tires. I start slowing down 5 mph at a time until I get rid of the exhaust-sniffer behind me, or until he backs off to what I consider a safe following distance.

          I don’t live in fear of law enforcement. I have no problem with speed limits. I wouldn’t mind seeing the speed limit lowered to 55. It would certainly make it easier to merge when getting on the superslab.

          I have yet to head for a destination and find it was moved five minutes before I arrive. When I leave for a destination I allow sufficient time to get there within the legal limit.

        • #2912011

          Tailgaters

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to On the highway I drive the posted limit in the right-hand lane. Period.

          Around here, I slow down on drivers when I can’t see their headlights. You’d be lucky to see tires behind you with the amount of construction on for the 2010 games backing it up so bad. as for merging, I find people taht slow down to merge just make it twice as hard to merge and slow everyone else down. If you could merge at higher speeds it would be a more seamless flow, just a matter if people simply leave some room in front of them before reaching the entering merge lane people would just drive, without slowing. It’s when people merge before the car in front of them or don’t run to the end of the merge lane taht it gets bad as they force others to slow down and cause accidents and slow the rest of the lane into a congested confusion as to who’s turn it is.

    • #2912151

      Treat the symptoms…

      by himdownstairs ·

      In reply to I can’t drive 55

      That’s all congress is doing currently. A national speed limit may, in theory, lower the amount of gas used by Americans and the demand we have for oil but it’s not going to be significant enough to dent the price. The problem is that the world is running out of oil. As it costs more and more to drill, it costs more and more to pump. Tapping into U.S. oil reserves will reduce some of our dependency on foreign oil, but for how long? It pays to have alternative sources to power our cars (i.e. electricity).

      • #2912122

        Personally

        by tonythetiger ·

        In reply to Treat the symptoms…

        I don’t CARE what it costs. I will adjust my lifestyle to existing conditions. If I can’t afford it as is, I’ll either earn more, consume less, make internal adjustments, or (most likely) some combination. It’s called adapting, and humans historically have been pretty good at it.

        If this increase in the price of fuel makes or breaks you, you’ve been living too close to the edge. That’s a personal responsibility issue, and nobody can fix that but you.

        • #2912110

          You’re right…

          by himdownstairs ·

          In reply to Personally

          I fully agree. Economically though, it’s an issue that needs to be fixed for the good of the country.

        • #2912095

          You’re right too,

          by tonythetiger ·

          In reply to You’re right…

          and the only way to fix that permanently is to convince people to live within their means, and not to force the burden of those who aren’t onto those who are (which, long term, will create MORE of those who aren’t).

    • #2912042

      Reduce speeds to 10mph

      by dr dij ·

      In reply to I can’t drive 55

      then we’ll have the following benefits:
      1) might get better mileage (I’m not sure of this)
      2) work will be easier because we’ll rarely be AT work as drive takes so long
      3) need for new cars will be reduced greatly, wear and tear savings will be HUGE! Since you’ll be driving only 20% of the miles as before!
      4) accidents will never be serious, as a head-on will be about 20 miles per hour!
      (an alternative to this would be to keep the 65 speed limit but drive NERF cars)

      An even BETTER IDEA would be to reduce the speed limit to 2 MPH, yes TWO Miles Per Hour!

      This way people would be encouraged to ride horses to work! For personal protection we’d need to allow side arms. Think how much fun it would be to ride into work on your horse, with your six-shooters by your side. It would be a cowboy revival, and would boost tourist visits to the US, also encouraged by the falling dollar due to the govt printing press loaning non-existant billions to large banks that don’t need it.

      Of course the EPA would probably complain about the ’emissions’ that horses would leave on the roadway, even tho they are perfectly organic and great fertilizer or mushroom compost.

      • #2912015

        Sorry, that won’t save any fuel

        by charliespencer ·

        In reply to Reduce speeds to 10mph

        Your best mileage comes in your highest gear. I don’t know too many cars that top out in first or second. However, it will make working on your Blackberry much safer. Since most cars idle at better than 2 mph, you’d lose money because you’d have to ride the brakes and be constantly replacing the pads.

        I’ve heard of a couple of metropolitan areas that are going back to horses, or to bikes.

      • #2912729

        Fuel economy

        by nicknielsen ·

        In reply to Reduce speeds to 10mph

        I think it’s only American cars that are designed for optimum fuel economy at 55. My ’91 Passat (2L, 5-speed) was EPA rated at 30 MPG highway (27 MPG under the new standard). On a trip from Mississippi to New York, I achieved 35 MPG at an average speed of 64 MPH. (I regularly got 25+ MPG at 100 MPH on the autobahn.) Most German cars will probably give similar results, as they are designed to give good fuel economy at Autobahn speeds.

        edit: corrected EPA figures

    • #2912021

      Let’s Throw in a BIG Curve

      by thechas ·

      In reply to I can’t drive 55

      I don’t have any real problem with a new lower national speed limit.

      However, I think we should petition our legislatures to throw a big curve into any new national speed limit.

      Rather than 55 MPH (which even I think is too slow for highways) Select either 100 or 120 KPH!

      That’s right, tie any new national speed limit to switching the US over to the metric system.

      The fun thing is that at 100 KPH, the speed limit in most places would be about the same as it is now.

      For 2 lane roads, that is where we need a lower speed limit. Get drivers to move to the highways as soon as they can. This would make life a lot easier for farmers and school bus drivers.

      Heck, a lower speed limit on rural roads might even help slow down urban sprawl.

      Plus, if you have county mounties spaced every 5 miles on the rural roads, crime should also drop.

      Chas

      • #2912012

        What are you, some kinda gol-durn Communist?

        by charliespencer ·

        In reply to Let’s Throw in a BIG Curve

        This here’s the You-nited States of ‘Merica! We ain’t gonna use no foruner’s Commie pinko Metrical system! You need to just drag your You-roh-peeing back ‘cross the pond if’n you wanna play with those centipeders and stuff.

        Now git on outta here ‘for’n I gits my 9 millimet… uh; (less see, 25 millipeders to the inch, carry the 4, …) Oh yeah, ‘for’n I gits my .35 (or sumpin’ close to that) loaded.

        Actually, it would also make buying gas seem cheaper, since we’d be buying liters instead of gallons. Instant 70% reduction in price per unit.

      • #2912009

        Slow down!

        by oz_media ·

        In reply to Let’s Throw in a BIG Curve

        “This would make life a lot easier for farmers and school bus drivers.”

        Thinking of a career change or something, Chas? Gonna git some dungarees and grow some fuel? LOL 😀

        Just buggin ya. 😉

        • #2913499

          Farm Family

          by thechas ·

          In reply to Slow down!

          Actually I grew up on a farm, and the family is still farming.

          Far too many of the urbanites that decide to “live in the country” do not want to be inconvenienced by the realities of rural living. They wait until the last possible second to slow down when they come upon farm equipment on the road.

          Of course, when these fools end up hitting the farm equipment, they always loose. However, from time to time, a farmer is thrown off his seat, or suffers whiplash from the impact.

          I think people should be required to spend a night with a load of cow manure under their bedroom window before they are allowed to move out in the country.

          Chas

        • #2913460

          Heard a great song about that this morning

          by nicknielsen ·

          In reply to Farm Family

          “Forty Acres and a Fool” on a new Del McCoury album, [i]Moneyland[/i]. http://www.mccourymusic.net/product.cfm?share=35J244406040441

          Only just out.

      • #2911997

        Given up on metric

        by jdclyde ·

        In reply to Let’s Throw in a BIG Curve

        My company supplies parts to the State. They DEMANDED that everything be sold in metric units, at great cost to us to re-write our programs for inventory and accounting and all the conversions of such.

        After we got converted? Bingo, they switched back…. sumbitchesanyways…..

      • #2911901

        Why go metric?

        by neilb@uk ·

        In reply to Let’s Throw in a BIG Curve

        We – the UK – have finally got an admission from the EU that we are a lost cause and we’ll go metric if we want (we don’t) and when we want (not in my lifetime).

        I’m an ex-scientist and I was brought up (in school and in the laboratory) exclusively in metric but I’ve long since come to the conclusion that the problem with metric is that it doesn’t work in the real world. To operate properly, you have to deal in third powers of ten – Kilometre, metre and millimetre, Kilogram and gram and then you find that the smaller, day-to-day measurements tend to be given to a precision that isn’t required.

        An ounce of cheese makes a sandwich. A gram of cheese won’t fit in a hollow tooth and you need thirty of the damn things for that sandwich. The resulting sandwich is an inch thick but, again, you need twenty five millimetres to measure it.

        Neil 🙂

        p.s. Back to my oft-repeated rant. If you all had smaller cars then the simple mechanics of kinetic energy would mean you a) user A LOT less gas and b) killed fewer people. And you wouldn’t have to go any slower…

        • #2911888

          The US won’t adopt the metric system

          by rfink ·

          In reply to Why go metric?

          because we don’t play follow the litre.

          We have metric money. I love calling a penny a centidollar just to see the looks. 🙂

        • #2912900

          No worries, you can’t even invent a real screwdriver either

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to The US won’t adopt the metric system

          The world’s worst design for screws has got to be Phillips. It is a ridiculous drive. The six ddifferent sizes can all be used with pretty much any driver (whether it fits properly or not), which usually results in stripped screws needed to be extracted by drill and an ez-out, after that the hole needs to be enlargened and retapped.

          Want a good screw (no, not like that)? Phillips! Always drives on the flats, just like a good socket does. Next to impossible to strip, unless you are a complete ‘tard. You can get at least 50X the toerque out of them and they can be tightened and loosened many times withotu issue.

          Phillips, what WERE they thinking? 😀

        • #2912904

          Its easier for drug dealers though

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Why go metric?

          Funny how drugs work as a mixed system.

          Grams, quarter ounces, half ounces, ounces, quarter pounds, half pounds, pounds and kilograms! LOL FULL circle!

          That’s what a friend was telling me once anyway.

    • #2912907

      Didn’t we learn anything from the 70’s?

      by dadspad ·

      In reply to I can’t drive 55

      The 70’s oil embargo, long gas lines, the problem wasn’t price, but availablity. Congress decided that we needed 55 mph speed limit to save gas. When the embargo stopped and there was plenty of gas, congress refused to up the speed limit. It wasn’t till the Regan years that the speed limit went back up to 70.

      People can decide their own speed limit deterimined by what they can afford. Conservative driving in town can save more in gas than any 55 mph speed limit on interstate highways.

      • #2912897

        Yes, don’t take the brown acid.

        by oz_media ·

        In reply to Didn’t we learn anything from the 70’s?

        Actually that was Woodstock ’69 but close enough.

        I know your point is valid but it is kinda funnt too.

        “People can decide their own speed limit deterimined by what they can afford. ”

        You’re right, poor people walk or talk transit, ride a bike etc. Rich people zip around in Mercede’s, Lamborghini’s etc. 😀

        • #2912885

          Not just rich people…

          by jellimonsta ·

          In reply to Yes, don’t take the brown acid.

          Sometimes thieves zip around in Mercedes too. :0

        • #2912864

          :D and probably on stolen gas

          by dadspad ·

          In reply to Not just rich people…

          A good number of new cars come with respectible gas mileage for highway driving. So low speed limit on interstate is useless.

          Already the demand for gas efficient private transportation has grown. People driving SUVs and large trucks are having a hard time selling them.

          During the 70’s embargo, dealers of high mileage imports put large premiums on the cars and still ran out of cars. Same could happen now with the demand.

        • #2912854

          A factoid I heard

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to :D and probably on stolen gas

          Jeep has come out with a Jeep Grand Cherokee with a diesel engine that can tow like a V8 Hemi but gets gas mileage better than the V6 gas engine.

          The factoid I heard was that in Canada, 75% of new Grand Cherokees are diesel, and in the US its 10%.

          James

        • #2912851

          There are heavy rumours from US Manfacturers that Diesels

          by dadspad ·

          In reply to A factoid I heard

          will become more prevalent, in the US, in the near future. Due to the better mileage and improvements in the Diesel engines and fuel.

        • #2912837

          Diesels in the US

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to There are heavy rumours from US Manfacturers that Diesels

          Due to its former relation to Mercedes, they have the MB diesel in the Grand Cherokee, and the Sprinter work van which is really a re badged MB van.

          Audi has a Q7 diesel SUV.

          In Europe, many mid size sedans are available with diesels, and some small cars too.

          I’m not aware of many US manufacturers making changes, currently diesel is for big trucks(Jeep/Sprinter excepted)

          James

        • #2912828

          James, a quick search found this

          by dadspad ·

          In reply to There are heavy rumours from US Manfacturers that Diesels

          http://www.dieselforum.org/where-is-diesel/cars-trucks-suvs/

          Look down in the article and they tell about the amout of increase in sales and future expectations. Although most of the diesels will be imports unless Detroit finally gets the word. 🙂

        • #2912852

          The mileage myth

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to :D and probably on stolen gas

          High mileage ads are not an indicator of a cleaner, more efficient or better vehicle at all.

          With the smaller engines, they run MUCH hotter (heat generated from wasted fuel energy) and at higher RPM, emitting greater levels of Carbon Monoxide (quite poisonous).

          That’s why I am always talking about the same car/model in Europe having a better build and more efficient engine than cars in North America.

          We build cheap crap cars here, to meet consumer demand for price. IN Europe those same cars/models have far mroe efficient motors, get more fuel energy to the wheels have MUCH smaller motors in them and yet ofteb trump the horsepower of a North American big block.

          There are stock 4-cylinder vehicles in England that put out as much power as a Corvette, except from a 4-cylinder in a 1100KG car. Even my Explorer, 1997, has an engine designed and built in Cologne Germany. It puts out more horsepower than the North American V8 does, while burning less fuel. Of course, due to manufacturing costs, the North American market only bought it for a year or two then resorted to the standard DOHV instead of the SOHC to reduce finished price by a few hundred bucks and sell more Explorers in North America.

          We just need to suck it up and start paying for quality engineering instead of forcing them manufacturer’s to build a special line of low quality garbage for our marketplace.

        • #2912820

          OH NO!! myths and technology :(

          by dadspad ·

          In reply to The mileage myth

          Of course, small efficient high power autos were always better. Although I cannot agree with you that Europe (especially England) always had efficient powerful auto. I, in my much younger days, had an Austin-Healy Sprite and a Triumph, neither was what I would call powerful or efficient, a lot of fun, but not the rest.

          One thing the US autos have over most of the rest of the world is comfortable, low cost cars. Now that I am older, I much perfer a comfortable car that I do not feel every bump and pot hole. Very small cars are not for me.

        • #2913609

          Austin-Healy Sprite and a Triumph

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to OH NO!! myths and technology :(

          Sports cars are usually not on the list of efficient vehicles. Just look at the new Ferrari’s and McLarens, you’d be lucky to get 2mpg.

          Auston Healy and Triumph were classic sports cars.

          Powerful for their day and age, but not at all like todays vehicles.

        • #2913603

          Classics…

          by jellimonsta ·

          In reply to OH NO!! myths and technology :(

          Oz, I agree about the classics. Those cars just kind of “look the part” now. 😀

          If I could ride it longer than 4 months a year I would think about investing in a motorcycle. Damn 7 months of winter! :p

        • #2913594

          Comparisons

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to OH NO!! myths and technology :(

          Compared to modern cars, the Sprite and Truiumph didn’t have much power. In fact a Chevy econobox has the same power as the first Porche 911 (140 HP), but the 911 was much much lighter.

          The first Sprite had a 43 HP engine and the last was a 65 HP (about the same as a mid 90s Toyota Tercel).

          I’d love to have a bug eye Sprite. I might prefer to look at a gull wing MB SL from the 50s, but it is worth so much, I’d be afraid to wreck it. The Sprite I could drive.

          In fact would I’d really like is a Triumph TR6 from the early 70s.

          James

        • #2912588

          Agree 100%

          by tonythetiger ·

          In reply to The mileage myth

          Those small high MPG cars won’t get as good of mileage with 4 people in them as a mid-sized car will with the same 4 people. The engine in the small car will work harder, the transmission will spend more time in the less efficient lower gears, and the suspension will also wear out faster.

        • #2912856

          Yeah and dope dealers

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Not just rich people…

          People with money, thieves, dope dealers, pimps etc. that are self employed. I didn’t say anthing about being in a respectable career though. 😉

        • #2912853

          :) Oz, we can not take it too seriously or

          by dadspad ·

          In reply to Yes, don’t take the brown acid.

          the politicians will enact lousy legislation. 😀

          Funny how Woodstock was such a big influence and so few of us attended. A lot of good music came out of the event, though.

        • #2913604

          Too bad it turned to shite

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to :) Oz, we can not take it too seriously or

          It was nixed for many years and then teh rehash of Woodstock was awful, probably the poorest planning I have seen at an event.

          Washroom facilities were not adequate, in ’69 they were, candles that were handed out for peace were used to build bonfires, the bands were atrocious etc.

          Then compare that to the Isle of Wight festivals which to this day are one of teh biggest events in the UK. So much so that there is an ENDLESS LIST of sumer festivals in Europe now, so many that some don’t sell well because people just can’t get to ALL of them. I’m serious, immense lineups of 8 or 10 headline acts, with 30 support acts over 3 or 4 days. There is simply one after another.

          In North America it would rival any terrorist attack we’ve ever had. People just don’t appreciate music and turn up simply to get drunk and be clowns. No wonder we live in what’s seen as the world’s ‘no fun zone’.

          Crock of crap, this North America, if it wasn’t so damn beautiful in BC, I’d be outta here like a shot.

          We are so far behind the times when it comes to having peacful, open minded and free nations. Its embarrassing actually, being in Europe and from North America, its like we are a laughing stock from a joke that was never shared with us.

        • #2913578

          Fewer people

          by tonythetiger ·

          In reply to Too bad it turned to shite

          [i]Washroom facilities were not adequate, in ’69 they were,[/i]

          “washed” back then 🙂

        • #2913543

          I always liked the port-a-potty guy from Woodstock ’69

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Fewer people

          In the woodstock ’69 video (I was a brand new, wee nipper in England then)they interview the guy who provided and cleaned/pumped out teh portable toilets at Woodstock, he was a REALLY cool guy actually. Just did it right because he thought “the kids are great” and he had his role in the whole scheme of it all.

          Gotta love port-a-potty guy, he was nearing or beyond middle age then, doubt he’s still around for the props.

    • #2913613

      hahaha

      by jck ·

      In reply to I can’t drive 55

      [i]but it is moving to a more oppressive government. [/i]

      Oh, you are so oppressed by having to drive a little slower.

      Next you’ll be oppressed if K-Mart stops stocking Pringles…those commie bastards! :^0

      • #2913587

        ACK!

        by jdclyde ·

        In reply to hahaha

        Pringles are the nastiest thing… Did you hear the inventor just died last week?

        ThingOne likes those nasty things. Photobucket

        Photobucket

        oh yeah, that is a LOT slower, not a little.

        And I thought you were Mr anything goes?

        • #2913584

          Have you told him about the British court case?

          by jamesrl ·

          In reply to ACK!

          http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fi-pringles5-2008jul05,0,5930647.story

          Pringles are NOT chips at least for tax purposes in Britain.

          James

        • #2913533

          Just look at Marks and Sparks though!!!!

          by oz_media ·

          In reply to Have you told him about the British court case?

          Way better than the Pringles BS. Marks and Sparks has been makign wannabe junk food from simulated products for decades. NOW they have been awarded 20 YEARS of taxes paid on tea cakes. I bet that will only be the beginning, M&S is more important in the UK than the Prime Minister, health care or gas prices. I think it was M&S that fought the remaining Roman slaggers off and started such wonderful, pithy sayings as “Pity, isn’t it?” , “Spot of Tea” and of course, “Bob’s yer uncle”. Well M&S along with the PG Tips chimps and Humphrey. HANDS OFF HUMPHREY!

          LOL, truly classic, I still have a hands off Humphrey mug (broken but it still holds pens and stuff).

        • #2913576

          Try the

          by tonythetiger ·

          In reply to ACK!

          cheeseburger flavor 🙂

        • #2913551

          Hmm…

          by jellimonsta ·

          In reply to ACK!

          I don’t actually care for chips (or crisps for Neil). 😀
          I do like Pringles and Baked Lays though. Chips are just too greasy for me.

        • #2913508

          Walker’s Salt and Vinegar…

          by neilb@uk ·

          In reply to Hmm…

          Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm… They do a baked version but it’s just not the same.

          Pringles are just WRONG.

        • #2913471

          I did enjoy Walkers Salt and Vinegar…

          by jellimonsta ·

          In reply to Walker’s Salt and Vinegar…

          Right up until Gary Lineker did the ads on TV. 😀

          I like Pringles because they are not greasy like the rest of the selections over here (non baked at least).

      • #2913516

        As long as they leave the Lays alone…

        by boxfiddler ·

        In reply to hahaha

        they can do what they want with the Pringles. 😉

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