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June 9, 2009 at 8:38 pm #2214777
IE krazee, Microsoft ripp off
Lockedby dorierez · about 14 years, 9 months ago
My internet connection is fine using other browers and applications, my XP PRO with SP 3 are legal but can’t get IE7 to work (I gave up on IE8). I read a lot of old emails & wonder if anybody came up with new ideas. In LAN settings I tried to remove or check “Automatically detect settings”, “Use a proxy…”, with and without Addons. It works one time and then again it does not. I can open enough of the “welcome” page and go to Tools, but it does not load any sites.
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June 9, 2009 at 9:06 pm #2933834
This is probably an issue to do with the Registry settings
by deadly ernest · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to IE krazee, Microsoft ripp off
The easy answer is, if you’re addicted to IE only, go get a more secure version of an IE overlay like Avant Browser at http://www.avantbrowser.com or
switch to somehting better like FireFox at http://www.mozilla.com
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June 10, 2009 at 12:15 pm #2957661
IE krazy
by dorierez · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to This is probably an issue to do with the Registry settings
That was no answer. I need IE to run Outlook in its full vs, home and work.
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June 10, 2009 at 3:19 pm #2957614
Avant Browser is an overlay that uses the whole IE
by deadly ernest · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to IE krazy
engine and works by being a screen door over IE, but installing it will have it adjust the registry settings and may fix the problem. It won’t interfere with anything else.
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June 11, 2009 at 5:07 pm #2934161
Avant browser
by dorierez · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Avant Browser is an overlay that uses the whole IE
Thank you for your interest. You may have read another response of mine where suddenly Zone Alarm asked for permission, which was previously granted, and it started to work. Make no mistake, I had checked and given permission. I don’t get it. Now I’m afraid to install Avant ’cause “if it ain’t broken, don’t fix it” syndrome, and I never heard of it before. Who knows how many times IE will open… Firefox is my main browser and the new version works even better.
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June 11, 2009 at 7:52 pm #2934103
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
by boxfiddler · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Avant browser
If it ain’t broke, why are you here looking for a fix?
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June 11, 2009 at 9:39 pm #2934059
Did you know
by deadly ernest · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
a ticking bomb isn’t broken until AFTER it goes off – and then it’s arguable if it’s broken or not. But it’s too late to fix anyway.
That’s why some things that aren’t broken yet should be fixed before they are.
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June 12, 2009 at 7:44 pm #2958985
Totally agree
by dorierez · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Did you know
I’m a serviceman so I do a lot of preventive work. In this case I was too ignorant to try but guess what, I installed Avant after I read a bunch of reviews. I didn’t try it much ’cause I like my Firefox. Yesterday Avant & IE worked, today they don’t. Firefox is OK, just installed the new version.
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June 12, 2009 at 7:52 pm #2958977
U R right
by dorierez · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
It was broken and it worked one day. That when I wrote this. Now its broken again.
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June 11, 2009 at 7:54 pm #2934102
I used to use Avant Browser but stopped when I switched to
by deadly ernest · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Avant browser
Firefox several years ago. Back in the late 1990s I started using Avant Browser (www.avantbrowser.com) because it offered some security aspects that closed off known holes in IE and also offered Tabbed windows which IE did not offer at that time. It’s a simple overlay on the IE engine. I used it for a few years and switched to Firefox after learning one of the IE vulnerabilities was so bad that the Avant Browser people couldn’t lock it down. Some months later MS finally issued a patch for that problem in IE, but by then I’d switched to FF.
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June 12, 2009 at 7:47 pm #2958980
Avant?
by dorierez · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to I used to use Avant Browser but stopped when I switched to
I never heard of it until you mentioned it. My problem is that I need IE for the full version of Outlook connected to my work. Now you are saying I don’t need Avant? Right?
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June 12, 2009 at 10:34 pm #2958955
No one NEEDS Avant Browser, but it does help – it works off
by deadly ernest · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Avant?
the IE engine, if you have a major problem with IE itself Avant won’t work either.It’s like a screen door or a skim on a media player, it just changes the way it displays on the GUI and adds a bit more in the way of user features, or it did when I used it.
At the time I was using it there were a few IE vulnerabilities that could be exploited simply by visiting the web page in IE, because the page opened in Avant and it then fed info back to IE it caught the bad code and dumped it. It used Tabs when IE didn’t by opening new instances of IE without the display and showing the display as tabs in the current Avant display. It made no changes to IE itself and you could even open IE up at the same time if you wanted to.
It also had a few themes so you could change the look to something you liked better too.
You don’t NEED it but it helps in many cases.
I have found that installing and removing Avant will also reset some of the IE register settings.
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June 10, 2009 at 1:43 pm #2957635
agreed
by forum surfer · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to This is probably an issue to do with the Registry settings
Firefox with ietab (for pesky ie only sites) works great for me.
On a side note, I received a link from a government website a little while back that would not work with anything except Firefox. I find Firefox only websites just as infuriating as IE only websites.
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June 9, 2009 at 11:18 pm #2933805
Begin by diagnosing connectivity.
by deepsand · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to IE krazee, Microsoft ripp off
In IE7, go to [b]Tools[/b], and select [b]Diagnose Connection Problems[/b].
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June 10, 2009 at 12:21 pm #2957655
Too deep
by dorierez · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Begin by diagnosing connectivity.
I mentioned that I don’t have a connectivity problem
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June 10, 2009 at 1:21 pm #2957641
You just may and not realize it
by the scummy one · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Too deep
try it and see. Since it worked the first time and then stopped working, it appears that something is blocking the websites. Do you have a firewall? Could it be blocking? have you tried disabling it?
Could you have picked up a virus? What antivirus are you running? What other SW is being used — there may be a conflict.
Have you tried uninstalling/re-installing your NIC?
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June 11, 2009 at 4:59 pm #2934163
IE problems
by dorierez · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to You just may and not realize it
I use Zone Alarm, AVG, Skybot, CCleaner, Eusing and I did try while disabling and cleaning the registry. No help. What is SW? I did not try to play the Network card since the connection with everything else works. I did uninstall IE8, IE7 and back to Basic IE7. No luck, until just now! Out of the blue Zone Alarm asked for permission to allow IE when I opened it and, voila! It did ask me before and I even checked in their program. I had already allowed it. Go figure…
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June 10, 2009 at 2:27 pm #2957624
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June 11, 2009 at 5:09 pm #2934160
Why connectivity?
by dorierez · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Begin by diagnosing connectivity.
I wrote several times that I don’t have a connectivity problem!
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June 11, 2009 at 7:36 pm #2934109
You are too narrowly defining “connectivity.”
by deepsand · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Why connectivity?
Connectivity goes to the entire communications path, in both directions.
Since you are unable to consistently both effect a server request and receive it’s response, there is obviously a problem with such communications.
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June 11, 2009 at 7:48 pm #2934106
I am afraid, sir
by santeewelding · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to You are too narrowly defining “connectivity.”
That it will be lost.
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June 17, 2009 at 11:57 am #2934701
I concur.
by deepsand · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to I am afraid, sir
Still, an effort must be made, lest one appear to be callous and/or indifferent.
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June 12, 2009 at 7:35 pm #2958995
Sorry
by dorierez · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to You are too narrowly defining “connectivity.”
I’m no IT consultant but I do know know that there can be many other reasons for One browser to not work when all others do work.
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June 17, 2009 at 11:54 am #2934703
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June 18, 2009 at 7:55 pm #2957755
I did
by dorierez · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Did you at least run the diagnostic suggested?
and nothing happened that day but it worked the next but not after that… It seems to work every other day…
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June 20, 2009 at 7:20 am #2958244
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June 10, 2009 at 12:55 pm #2957646
Couple things
by shasca · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to IE krazee, Microsoft ripp off
Some maintenance tips. Tools/internet options
there are two choices restore advanced settings, and reset which resets anything changed since the original setup. You can also turn off addons under internet options/mange addons. Sometimes it’s the browser addons that cause IE to not surf properly. Empty temp files internet options/general browsing history/delete. When you click on this button a menu of items to remove pops up. It also wouldn’t hurt to doa spywar scn to see if something has hijacked you MS browser.http://download.cnet.com/Trend-Micro-HijackThis/3000-8022_4-10379544.html
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June 11, 2009 at 5:13 pm #2934159
Good tips
by dorierez · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Couple things
Good tips but I tried them all, cleaning very often everything I could including the registry. Maybe that is how Zone Alarm asked for permission again, and this time it worked, again…
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June 10, 2009 at 3:21 pm #2957612
Another thing to check will be the IE settings themselves
by deadly ernest · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to IE krazee, Microsoft ripp off
the Internet Zones and your Blacklist of sites to be blocked.
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June 11, 2009 at 5:16 pm #2934158
Thanks again
by dorierez · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Another thing to check will be the IE settings themselves
All good tips but it was not any of them. Windows troubleshooting can be very frustrating. I wish I could afford an Apple…
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June 11, 2009 at 7:56 pm #2934100
Kubuntu Linux and Mephis Linux are much cheaper
by deadly ernest · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Thanks again
or even FreeBSD.
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June 12, 2009 at 10:37 pm #2958954
Just a few thoughts, but go through the Internet Options and
by deadly ernest · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to IE krazee, Microsoft ripp off
check all the settings there. look to see if IE is trying to use an unusual proxy or port. Check the time out settings and such too.
Another point is to check the settings for IE in your Firewall software, as it may be blocking it for some reason.
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June 13, 2009 at 11:08 am #2958851
Options
by dorierez · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Just a few thoughts, but go through the Internet Options and
1st, thank you so much for your help! I gave maximum access to IE in Zone Alarm and played a bit with the Options settings. I even had an IT techie come a couple times to fix the damn thing. It works and the next day, without changing anything, it stops. This thing seems so complicated, I’m starting to think that it may not even be possible to fix without going deep into the computer. I’m contemplating reinstalling Windows…
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June 13, 2009 at 11:30 am #2958842
Is it at this point I should suggest you contemplate
by deadly ernest · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Options
trying a version or two of Linux instead?
Back to Windows — you could try doing a Restore to a date when you know it was working well, as that will save you a lot of time reloading software. If it works, good. If it doesn’t you’re no worse off.
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June 13, 2009 at 8:02 pm #2958733
Linux
by dorierez · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Is it at this point I should suggest you contemplate
First, I would like to commend you for taking so much time to help me!
I’m better at computers that many of my friends but getting a bit slow at learning new tricks(age). I’m still under the notion that Linux (when it first came out) is not so user friendly + I need IE to connect to my work related applications. IE worked this morning but not tonight! Driving me crazy… -
June 13, 2009 at 8:43 pm #2958729
Did you
by rob miners · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Linux
try creating another Profile to test IE with.
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June 13, 2009 at 8:57 pm #2958727
When I become uber-wealthy
by santeewelding · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Did you
I will dispatch my Gulfstream to fetch you.
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June 13, 2009 at 9:20 pm #2958722
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June 13, 2009 at 9:48 pm #2958714
Why be a cheapskate and get a Gulfstream
by deadly ernest · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to When I become uber-wealthy
the uber rich should be using a Boeing BBJ3 and go in real comfort and class. It also has a much longer range.
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June 13, 2009 at 10:22 pm #2934674
The airport next-door
by santeewelding · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to When I become uber-wealthy
Can’t handle anything larger. Until I get around to buying the facilities and upgrading them, the Gulfstream will have to do.
I reserve that other thingy, or a two-seat Raptor, for myself.
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June 13, 2009 at 10:44 pm #2934672
I kinda like the idea of having a nice little helicoptor to go
by deadly ernest · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to When I become uber-wealthy
calling in around the city – say the latest Apache, that’s SURE to create and impression.
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June 13, 2009 at 10:52 pm #2934670
I may actually beat you to it
by santeewelding · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to When I become uber-wealthy
Somebody close to me will be trading in his Cessna 150 for the latest version of a Scorpion. He has 3000+ combat hours in a slick. Licensed balloon pilot, too.
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June 17, 2009 at 12:18 pm #2934677
Where’s my jet pack? No text.
by charliespencer · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to When I become uber-wealthy
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June 17, 2009 at 7:49 pm #2933145
Mr. Peabody borrowed it.
by deepsand · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to When I become uber-wealthy
Some of the places he ends up in when using his Wayback Machine have no viable local transportation systems.
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June 13, 2009 at 9:01 pm #2958726
Try clearing the cache and cookies and see what happens
by deadly ernest · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Linux
I always set IE (when I used it) to clear cache and cookies at the end of the session – that’s a couple of tick boxes in the last tab of the Internet Options.
Linux like PCLinux, Linspire, MephisLinux, Kubuntu are all very user friendly. And I’m surprised your business apps are accessible only vie IE and not FF as that means they’ve been badly designed to be IE only.
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June 14, 2009 at 4:39 pm #2934516
Linux
by dorierez · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Try clearing the cache and cookies and see what happens
Thanks again. Today IE works! I need it mostly for the full version of Outlook & its calendar + I do DDC with the newest version of Johnson Controls and they have not changed the Java version needed in many years. My work computer is controlled by out IT 3,000 miles away & being a big corporation, they control all computer applications tightly.
Are MephisLinux and Kubuntu supposed to be used off a CD? Can you download and install on a CD? I tried & it didn’t work… -
June 14, 2009 at 5:14 pm #2934508
Just about every version of Linux can be used as a live CD as
by deadly ernest · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Linux
well as downloaded and burnt to a CD – both Kubuntu and MepisLinux work that way. I often use a Live CD of Kubuntu to troubleshoot a system that isn’t booting properly in Windows.
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June 20, 2009 at 8:44 am #2958215
From what he’s posted, Ernest
by nicknielsen · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Try clearing the cache and cookies and see what happens
His work email is Outlook Web Access, which requires ActiveX for full functionality. You can access your mail with other browsers, but only through the “Light” version of OWA. OWA Light allows you to send and receive emails, attach files, and manage contacts and folders. You don’t have the capability to create/delete/modify email groups, which is the only feature I miss; I’ll open my mail in IE just to work with groups. You also don’t get the eye candy features that really don’t belong in emails anyway and clog up the mail server with unnecessary bits: html editing, fancy signatures, embedded graphics, emoticons, etc., etc., etc. Given the tone of his posts, I suspect these are what he’s missing most.
The question I have (I don’t remember seeing it asked): When IE won’t connect to OWA, can it connect to other sites? The problem might be with his corporate mail server and not with IE on his machine.
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June 20, 2009 at 9:17 am #2958206
Ahh, I’ve not seen or used OWA, so I don’t know how it works
by deadly ernest · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to From what he’s posted, Ernest
I prefer to use a proper mail client that has security. But I can see how he can be concerned about the work one.
Thanks for the info on OWA – it sure does sound like a person with an accent making a painful exclamation.
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June 21, 2009 at 12:15 pm #2958655
OWA
by dorierez · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to From what he’s posted, Ernest
Thank you for understanding the dilemma with OWA. That is why I need IE,and IE does not work all the time.
BUT I think I found the problem. I have to switch ON the router at the same time as I boot the computer. Why is the problem only with IE? -
June 21, 2009 at 3:08 pm #2958633
Have you looked at CGIT’s post below?
by deepsand · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to From what he’s posted, Ernest
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June 21, 2009 at 6:29 pm #2958596
dorierez, why do you need all the features of OWA?
by nicknielsen · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to From what he’s posted, Ernest
I function perfectly well with OWA Light in FF. As I said, the only essential feature of OWA that is not available in OWA Light is groups. Are you creating, deleting and modifying groups on a daily basis?
None of the other missing features are essential to communication, they are just “nice-to-have” eye candy that, for me, hinder communication: html, emoticons, in-line images, etc.
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June 21, 2009 at 6:58 pm #2958593
Maybe the problem is with the way IE is integrated to Wizards.
by deadly ernest · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to From what he’s posted, Ernest
Regarding the actual problem, the information does make it sound like the issue is with the system thinking there’s a proxy being set up. If your system settings are set up to for dhcp and it doesn’t find the dhcp server, then it defaults to some MS provided settings, and I suspect this is what’s happening with the situation described. Why it doesn’t affect FF I’m not sure as it should affect both. It’s because of these odd MS default settings that I prefer to use static IP addresses for my home network.
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June 28, 2009 at 6:23 pm #2757911
Linux
by dorierez · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Is it at this point I should suggest you contemplate
Thanks for the suggestion. I finally managed to install Kubuntu 8.10 on the HD, because I could not get it onto a CD, & now I’m in trouble! For an old Windows guy like me, it seems like a lot of learning, and my wife already complained that I spend too much time with what she calls my “first wife”. The latter can’t divorce me but I may not be able to remain so “faithful” to “her”… 🙂
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June 20, 2009 at 8:59 am #2958212
When I first read this I thought …”Proxy?
by cg it · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to IE krazee, Microsoft ripp off
the only time you configure a proxy in the browser is if the network has a proxy for internet access [such as ISA Server] and there is no client application that provides the proxy information. .
If this is your laptop or desktop, and you have a router between your internet connection and your computer, is to use autodetect in the NIC card properties. Not IE properties. Autodetect in the NIC card properties will get an address from the routers DHCP server [turned on by default] the default gateway address [the routers address] and DNS servers [which are the ISP DNS servers]. for IE browser settings, you uncheck all boxes in the LAN configuration page.
you can manually configure your network settings on your NIC if you have this information. Then for your browser, again, you uncheck all the boxes in the LAN properties page.
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June 27, 2009 at 9:44 pm #2758051
Found the answer
by dorierez · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to IE krazee, Microsoft ripp off
I have wired my router, sound and monitor through a switch. If I don’t start the router before Windows boots, I ran into this problem.ONLY with IE, not with FF.
I suppose that not many people wired their computer and modem/router on separate circuits.
Thanks for those good hearted members for trying to help! Interesting to see if anybody can figure this one out…
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June 28, 2009 at 12:06 am #2758044
ahh, an interesting network problem only solveable by
by deadly ernest · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Found the answer
being on site and looking at the set up. I don’t feel so bad now.
BTW we were only to glad to try and help. We’re always trying, some more than others.
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June 28, 2009 at 11:49 am #2757968
Feel bad?
by dorierez · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to ahh, an interesting network problem only solveable by
Strange. Somebody that helps so much felt bad? No logic here. Like you said, without being there (not a bad place to visit BTW), you can’t solve everything and nobody could expect that! Yes, you are deadly earnest about trying. Thanks again! Merci beaucoup.
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June 28, 2009 at 1:32 pm #2757962
Hence the old adage to always power up the CPU [i]last[/i].
by deepsand · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Found the answer
Any device that is not “plug-and-play,” and is not detected at power-up, [i]can[/i] be problematic.
That’s why there are power control devices that internally apply power to the ouput sockets sequentially, with the one intended for the CPU being the last to go live.
In this case, running the suggested IE Diagnostics should have disclosed the problem; and, running Windows “Repair” function for the LAN connection should have fixed it.
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June 28, 2009 at 6:13 pm #2757915
Plug & Play
by dorierez · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Hence the old adage to always power up the CPU [i]last[/i].
I thought all USB devices are P&P and I tried all the diagnostics I could find. But I think you may have missed something here. FireFox always works well. Therefore my swearing at MS is still valid, no?
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June 28, 2009 at 6:38 pm #2757904
USB can support hot-swapping, but it’s not a necessary characteristic.
by deepsand · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Plug & Play
Furthermore, hot-swapping requires a stability of the sort that does not exist during the boot process.
Hence the admonition to always make the CPU the last component to be powered up.
As I immediately stated, yours was a connectivity problem. That FF worked does nothing to diminish that fact, a fact which is now evidenced by your own findings.
Did you run the diagnostics that I prescribed?
Did you try the LAN “Repair” function?
If not, you might have saved yourself some time by doing as suggested.
Are you justified in blaming MS? Unless and until you can pinpoint the specific hardware signal instability that was at the root of the problem, the answer is no.
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June 27, 2009 at 11:05 pm #2758047
LOL
by rob miners · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to IE krazee, Microsoft ripp off
wasn’t ripped off after all. 😀
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June 28, 2009 at 4:59 pm #2757935
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June 28, 2009 at 6:43 pm #2757902
Did MS manufacture all of the components of all of your devices?
by deepsand · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to I don’t agree
Did MS assemble all of those devices?
Did MS provide all of the drivers for all devices?
Other than FF, are all applications developed and installed by MS?
If not, then you’re a long way from being able to hold MS responsible.
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June 28, 2009 at 9:58 pm #2757866
Maybe
by rob miners · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to I don’t agree
Firefox 3 supports a different detection method to detect whether or not there’s an active Internet connection.
Yes, you could call me a M$ supporter along with the millions of others out there.
I don’t normally turn off my Modem/Router either, especially if it is allocating DHCP leases.
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June 29, 2009 at 8:09 pm #2756363
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June 29, 2009 at 10:49 pm #2756319
LOL
by rob miners · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Not to mention the loss of log data.
I had one that I had to shutdown and restart every friday morning to clear the cache. It was on its last legs and was eventually replaced.
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June 30, 2009 at 6:18 pm #2755860
MS supporter
by dorierez · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Maybe
You sound like you are on MS payroll. There are a lot more MS hater than followers. We are stuck with a monopoly of a company that plans inferior software to make more and more and more $$$$. And it looks like some people are happy to be ripped off…
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June 30, 2009 at 6:53 pm #2755849
Actually, I don’t think Jacky is so much an MS supporter as
by deadly ernest · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to MS supporter
supported by MS products and recognises that most of his clients are users of MS products because they don’t know better.
I detest MS and the way they operate, yet the majority of my paid IT work is from fixing problems on systems with MS software. I recognise that, and I think Jacky is in a similar position. And that means you also have to consider how the issues in threads like this will be viewed by the clients. Some do, some don’t.
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June 30, 2009 at 7:09 pm #2755848
Your entitiled to your opinions
by rob miners · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to MS supporter
You asked a question and found out eventually that it was caused by you turning off your modem.
I can’t see what that has to do with M$. I chose to learn and support M$ products because they are very popular where I live.
In my twenty years in the industry I have never been asked to look at another Operating System other than a MAC. That wouldn’t put much food on the table would it. On the other hand if other Operating Systems were as popular as M$ is in my area I would have supported them as well. I don’t know how you came to the conclusion that I’m on the M$ payroll. You certainly have an imagination. -
June 30, 2009 at 7:47 pm #2755836
How do you get there from here?
by seanferd · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to MS supporter
I’ve never known Jacky to be an “MS shill”. And how pointing out that FF uses a different detection method than IE leads to your conclusion, I don’t know.
MS has pissed me off regularly for years, with various “features” of their products. However, they are still viable products, if overpriced IMO. My advice for you would be to use another OS in addition to Windows. Mac, Linux distros, and BSD distros would be the obvious choices. Use them when you don’t need to use Windows.
Maybe MS is using a stupid connection detection method here (or not), but it is not any kind of rip off. I’m no MS apologist, but I do think you are a bit off base here. You may not like it, and I might not, if I ran into this problem. But making assumptions about, and attacking forum members based on those assumptions is hardly productive.
Reasonable critiques of operating systems are always welcome. For OS religious wars, you might enjoy the ZDNet forums. You are already a member, as a member of TR.
Take it easy, and cheers.
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July 1, 2009 at 10:12 am #2757585
Missing the point
by dorierez · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to How do you get there from here?
Many of you totally miss the point even though you all get frustrated with MS. Some of you back up MS because, thanks to their much less than perfect products, it gives you a living. That does not make the product a good one.
You all recognize the FF got a better system of connection detection. That IS my point! Why can’t giant MS pick up the best methods of making a really good product. THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY! But they choose to not to! And I got it from someone that worked in Redmont! Hence the ripoff. Bill was a genius when he started out with software, then he became a genius in marketing. Look at Vista: it sucks & most users hate it. These are my points. The trouble is that MS got some good products and because of their initial innovations, we are all stuck with their products. Can anyone deny this?
I’m not attacking anybody being rational and I constantly praise members giving their time helping. I don’t appreciate people trying to force their “help” when it’s not relevant.
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July 1, 2009 at 11:05 am #2757562
Good point there
by nicknielsen · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Missing the point
[i]look at all the thoughts that went into an issue that could have been prevented in the 1st place..[/i]
simply by you leaving an O-N/O-F-F switch in the O-N position.
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July 1, 2009 at 3:43 pm #2757491
[i]We[/i] “all recognize the FF got a better system of …”
by deepsand · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Missing the point
“connection detection?”
That must have been in a different thread.
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July 1, 2009 at 3:44 pm #2757489
“people trying to force their “help” when it’s not relevant”
by deepsand · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Missing the point
Was that also in a different thread?
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July 2, 2009 at 12:24 pm #3006943
No, I think you have missed the point
by seanferd · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Missing the point
I haven’t seen that anyone was going out of their way to defend MS. No one here was being an ideological MS supporter.
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June 30, 2009 at 8:37 pm #2755815
And you sound like one who’s less than rational.
by deepsand · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to MS supporter
You were argumentative from the very beginning, rejecting anything that did not fit your preconceived notion as to the problem at hand. In doing so, you wasted both your time and that of those who were trying in good faith to assist you.
Even now, with the cause being identified, you persist in your inane MS bashing to the point of accusing those who do not share your zealotry of being MS sycophants.
This is not the behavior of a rational being.
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June 30, 2009 at 8:46 pm #2755810
Being=Rational
by santeewelding · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to And you sound like one who’s less than rational.
Couldn’t resist.
Besides, you used the word. My ears are tuned to it.
Different fundamental frequency, though.
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June 30, 2009 at 8:48 pm #2755809
Being=Rational
by boxfiddler · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Being=Rational
Since when?
eteffingu
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June 30, 2009 at 9:01 pm #2755803
Madam
by santeewelding · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Being=Rational
Has slipped well past her toe, and dips more into the depths.
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July 1, 2009 at 3:39 pm #2757492
Different bandwidth?
by deepsand · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to Being=Rational
Perhaps a difference of harmonics alone.
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July 5, 2009 at 12:49 pm #3005196
BTW, next time, post in the correct forum.
by deepsand · about 14 years, 9 months ago
In reply to IE krazee, Microsoft ripp off
Technical Questions belong in the “Questions” forum; this is the “Discussions” one.
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July 6, 2009 at 12:23 pm #3005832
Thanks
by dorierez · about 14 years, 8 months ago
In reply to BTW, next time, post in the correct forum.
I’m new at this.
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