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    IE krazee, Microsoft ripp off

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    by dorierez ·

    My internet connection is fine using other browers and applications, my XP PRO with SP 3 are legal but can’t get IE7 to work (I gave up on IE8). I read a lot of old emails & wonder if anybody came up with new ideas. In LAN settings I tried to remove or check “Automatically detect settings”, “Use a proxy…”, with and without Addons. It works one time and then again it does not. I can open enough of the “welcome” page and go to Tools, but it does not load any sites.
    Frustrated…

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    • #2933834

      This is probably an issue to do with the Registry settings

      by deadly ernest ·

      In reply to IE krazee, Microsoft ripp off

      The easy answer is, if you’re addicted to IE only, go get a more secure version of an IE overlay like Avant Browser at http://www.avantbrowser.com or

      switch to somehting better like FireFox at http://www.mozilla.com

      • #2957661

        IE krazy

        by dorierez ·

        In reply to This is probably an issue to do with the Registry settings

        That was no answer. I need IE to run Outlook in its full vs, home and work.

        • #2957614

          Avant Browser is an overlay that uses the whole IE

          by deadly ernest ·

          In reply to IE krazy

          engine and works by being a screen door over IE, but installing it will have it adjust the registry settings and may fix the problem. It won’t interfere with anything else.

        • #2934161

          Avant browser

          by dorierez ·

          In reply to Avant Browser is an overlay that uses the whole IE

          Thank you for your interest. You may have read another response of mine where suddenly Zone Alarm asked for permission, which was previously granted, and it started to work. Make no mistake, I had checked and given permission. I don’t get it. Now I’m afraid to install Avant ’cause “if it ain’t broken, don’t fix it” syndrome, and I never heard of it before. Who knows how many times IE will open… Firefox is my main browser and the new version works even better.

        • #2934103

          If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

          by boxfiddler ·

          In reply to Avant browser

          If it ain’t broke, why are you here looking for a fix?

        • #2934059

          Did you know

          by deadly ernest ·

          In reply to If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

          a ticking bomb isn’t broken until AFTER it goes off – and then it’s arguable if it’s broken or not. But it’s too late to fix anyway.

          That’s why some things that aren’t broken yet should be fixed before they are.

        • #2958985

          Totally agree

          by dorierez ·

          In reply to Did you know

          I’m a serviceman so I do a lot of preventive work. In this case I was too ignorant to try but guess what, I installed Avant after I read a bunch of reviews. I didn’t try it much ’cause I like my Firefox. Yesterday Avant & IE worked, today they don’t. Firefox is OK, just installed the new version.

        • #2958977

          U R right

          by dorierez ·

          In reply to If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

          It was broken and it worked one day. That when I wrote this. Now its broken again.

        • #2934102

          I used to use Avant Browser but stopped when I switched to

          by deadly ernest ·

          In reply to Avant browser

          Firefox several years ago. Back in the late 1990s I started using Avant Browser (www.avantbrowser.com) because it offered some security aspects that closed off known holes in IE and also offered Tabbed windows which IE did not offer at that time. It’s a simple overlay on the IE engine. I used it for a few years and switched to Firefox after learning one of the IE vulnerabilities was so bad that the Avant Browser people couldn’t lock it down. Some months later MS finally issued a patch for that problem in IE, but by then I’d switched to FF.

        • #2958980

          Avant?

          by dorierez ·

          In reply to I used to use Avant Browser but stopped when I switched to

          I never heard of it until you mentioned it. My problem is that I need IE for the full version of Outlook connected to my work. Now you are saying I don’t need Avant? Right?

        • #2958955

          No one NEEDS Avant Browser, but it does help – it works off

          by deadly ernest ·

          In reply to Avant?

          the IE engine, if you have a major problem with IE itself Avant won’t work either.It’s like a screen door or a skim on a media player, it just changes the way it displays on the GUI and adds a bit more in the way of user features, or it did when I used it.

          At the time I was using it there were a few IE vulnerabilities that could be exploited simply by visiting the web page in IE, because the page opened in Avant and it then fed info back to IE it caught the bad code and dumped it. It used Tabs when IE didn’t by opening new instances of IE without the display and showing the display as tabs in the current Avant display. It made no changes to IE itself and you could even open IE up at the same time if you wanted to.

          It also had a few themes so you could change the look to something you liked better too.

          You don’t NEED it but it helps in many cases.

          I have found that installing and removing Avant will also reset some of the IE register settings.

      • #2957635

        agreed

        by forum surfer ·

        In reply to This is probably an issue to do with the Registry settings

        Firefox with ietab (for pesky ie only sites) works great for me.

        On a side note, I received a link from a government website a little while back that would not work with anything except Firefox. I find Firefox only websites just as infuriating as IE only websites.

    • #2933805

      Begin by diagnosing connectivity.

      by deepsand ·

      In reply to IE krazee, Microsoft ripp off

      In IE7, go to [b]Tools[/b], and select [b]Diagnose Connection Problems[/b].

      • #2957655

        Too deep

        by dorierez ·

        In reply to Begin by diagnosing connectivity.

        I mentioned that I don’t have a connectivity problem

        • #2957641

          You just may and not realize it

          by the scummy one ·

          In reply to Too deep

          try it and see. Since it worked the first time and then stopped working, it appears that something is blocking the websites. Do you have a firewall? Could it be blocking? have you tried disabling it?

          Could you have picked up a virus? What antivirus are you running? What other SW is being used — there may be a conflict.

          Have you tried uninstalling/re-installing your NIC?

        • #2934163

          IE problems

          by dorierez ·

          In reply to You just may and not realize it

          I use Zone Alarm, AVG, Skybot, CCleaner, Eusing and I did try while disabling and cleaning the registry. No help. What is SW? I did not try to play the Network card since the connection with everything else works. I did uninstall IE8, IE7 and back to Basic IE7. No luck, until just now! Out of the blue Zone Alarm asked for permission to allow IE when I opened it and, voila! It did ask me before and I even checked in their program. I had already allowed it. Go figure…
          But a great thank you for your interest!

        • #2957624

          By definition, you obviously [i]do[/i] have a connectivity problem.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Too deep

          You’ve a connection that cannot be used reliably.

          What remains to be seen is [b]how & why[/b].

      • #2934160

        Why connectivity?

        by dorierez ·

        In reply to Begin by diagnosing connectivity.

        I wrote several times that I don’t have a connectivity problem!

        • #2934109

          You are too narrowly defining “connectivity.”

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Why connectivity?

          Connectivity goes to the entire communications path, in both directions.

          Since you are unable to consistently both effect a server request and receive it’s response, there is obviously a problem with such communications.

        • #2934106

          I am afraid, sir

          by santeewelding ·

          In reply to You are too narrowly defining “connectivity.”

          That it will be lost.

        • #2934701

          I concur.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to I am afraid, sir

          Still, an effort must be made, lest one appear to be callous and/or indifferent.

        • #2958995

          Sorry

          by dorierez ·

          In reply to You are too narrowly defining “connectivity.”

          I’m no IT consultant but I do know know that there can be many other reasons for One browser to not work when all others do work.
          Thanks for trying.

        • #2934703

          Did you at least run the diagnostic suggested?

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Sorry

          Given that your problem seems to be isolated to IE, running IE’s own diagnostics is the place to start.

        • #2957755

          I did

          by dorierez ·

          In reply to Did you at least run the diagnostic suggested?

          and nothing happened that day but it worked the next but not after that… It seems to work every other day…

        • #2958244

          What did the diagnostic log tell you …

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to I did

          when run while having problem?

    • #2957646

      Couple things

      by shasca ·

      In reply to IE krazee, Microsoft ripp off

      Some maintenance tips. Tools/internet options
      there are two choices restore advanced settings, and reset which resets anything changed since the original setup. You can also turn off addons under internet options/mange addons. Sometimes it’s the browser addons that cause IE to not surf properly. Empty temp files internet options/general browsing history/delete. When you click on this button a menu of items to remove pops up. It also wouldn’t hurt to doa spywar scn to see if something has hijacked you MS browser.

      http://malwarebytes.org/

      http://download.cnet.com/Trend-Micro-HijackThis/3000-8022_4-10379544.html

      http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html

      • #2934159

        Good tips

        by dorierez ·

        In reply to Couple things

        Good tips but I tried them all, cleaning very often everything I could including the registry. Maybe that is how Zone Alarm asked for permission again, and this time it worked, again…

    • #2957612

      Another thing to check will be the IE settings themselves

      by deadly ernest ·

      In reply to IE krazee, Microsoft ripp off

      the Internet Zones and your Blacklist of sites to be blocked.

    • #2958954

      Just a few thoughts, but go through the Internet Options and

      by deadly ernest ·

      In reply to IE krazee, Microsoft ripp off

      check all the settings there. look to see if IE is trying to use an unusual proxy or port. Check the time out settings and such too.

      Another point is to check the settings for IE in your Firewall software, as it may be blocking it for some reason.

      • #2958851

        Options

        by dorierez ·

        In reply to Just a few thoughts, but go through the Internet Options and

        1st, thank you so much for your help! I gave maximum access to IE in Zone Alarm and played a bit with the Options settings. I even had an IT techie come a couple times to fix the damn thing. It works and the next day, without changing anything, it stops. This thing seems so complicated, I’m starting to think that it may not even be possible to fix without going deep into the computer. I’m contemplating reinstalling Windows…

        • #2958842

          Is it at this point I should suggest you contemplate

          by deadly ernest ·

          In reply to Options

          trying a version or two of Linux instead?

          Back to Windows — you could try doing a Restore to a date when you know it was working well, as that will save you a lot of time reloading software. If it works, good. If it doesn’t you’re no worse off.

        • #2958733

          Linux

          by dorierez ·

          In reply to Is it at this point I should suggest you contemplate

          First, I would like to commend you for taking so much time to help me!
          I’m better at computers that many of my friends but getting a bit slow at learning new tricks(age). I’m still under the notion that Linux (when it first came out) is not so user friendly + I need IE to connect to my work related applications. IE worked this morning but not tonight! Driving me crazy…

        • #2958729

          Did you

          by rob miners ·

          In reply to Linux

          try creating another Profile to test IE with.

        • #2958727

          When I become uber-wealthy

          by santeewelding ·

          In reply to Did you

          I will dispatch my Gulfstream to fetch you.

        • #2958722

          LOL

          by rob miners ·

          In reply to When I become uber-wealthy

          😀

        • #2958714

          Why be a cheapskate and get a Gulfstream

          by deadly ernest ·

          In reply to When I become uber-wealthy

          the uber rich should be using a Boeing BBJ3 and go in real comfort and class. It also has a much longer range.

        • #2934674

          The airport next-door

          by santeewelding ·

          In reply to When I become uber-wealthy

          Can’t handle anything larger. Until I get around to buying the facilities and upgrading them, the Gulfstream will have to do.

          I reserve that other thingy, or a two-seat Raptor, for myself.

        • #2934672

          I kinda like the idea of having a nice little helicoptor to go

          by deadly ernest ·

          In reply to When I become uber-wealthy

          calling in around the city – say the latest Apache, that’s SURE to create and impression.

        • #2934670

          I may actually beat you to it

          by santeewelding ·

          In reply to When I become uber-wealthy

          Somebody close to me will be trading in his Cessna 150 for the latest version of a Scorpion. He has 3000+ combat hours in a slick. Licensed balloon pilot, too.

        • #2934677

          Where’s my jet pack? No text.

          by charliespencer ·

          In reply to When I become uber-wealthy

          .

        • #2933145

          Mr. Peabody borrowed it.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to When I become uber-wealthy

          Some of the places he ends up in when using his Wayback Machine have no viable local transportation systems.

        • #2958726

          Try clearing the cache and cookies and see what happens

          by deadly ernest ·

          In reply to Linux

          I always set IE (when I used it) to clear cache and cookies at the end of the session – that’s a couple of tick boxes in the last tab of the Internet Options.

          Linux like PCLinux, Linspire, MephisLinux, Kubuntu are all very user friendly. And I’m surprised your business apps are accessible only vie IE and not FF as that means they’ve been badly designed to be IE only.

        • #2934516

          Linux

          by dorierez ·

          In reply to Try clearing the cache and cookies and see what happens

          Thanks again. Today IE works! I need it mostly for the full version of Outlook & its calendar + I do DDC with the newest version of Johnson Controls and they have not changed the Java version needed in many years. My work computer is controlled by out IT 3,000 miles away & being a big corporation, they control all computer applications tightly.
          Are MephisLinux and Kubuntu supposed to be used off a CD? Can you download and install on a CD? I tried & it didn’t work…

        • #2934508

          Just about every version of Linux can be used as a live CD as

          by deadly ernest ·

          In reply to Linux

          well as downloaded and burnt to a CD – both Kubuntu and MepisLinux work that way. I often use a Live CD of Kubuntu to troubleshoot a system that isn’t booting properly in Windows.

        • #2958215

          From what he’s posted, Ernest

          by nicknielsen ·

          In reply to Try clearing the cache and cookies and see what happens

          His work email is Outlook Web Access, which requires ActiveX for full functionality. You can access your mail with other browsers, but only through the “Light” version of OWA. OWA Light allows you to send and receive emails, attach files, and manage contacts and folders. You don’t have the capability to create/delete/modify email groups, which is the only feature I miss; I’ll open my mail in IE just to work with groups. You also don’t get the eye candy features that really don’t belong in emails anyway and clog up the mail server with unnecessary bits: html editing, fancy signatures, embedded graphics, emoticons, etc., etc., etc. Given the tone of his posts, I suspect these are what he’s missing most.

          The question I have (I don’t remember seeing it asked): When IE won’t connect to OWA, can it connect to other sites? The problem might be with his corporate mail server and not with IE on his machine.

        • #2958206

          Ahh, I’ve not seen or used OWA, so I don’t know how it works

          by deadly ernest ·

          In reply to From what he’s posted, Ernest

          I prefer to use a proper mail client that has security. But I can see how he can be concerned about the work one.

          Thanks for the info on OWA – it sure does sound like a person with an accent making a painful exclamation.

        • #2958655

          OWA

          by dorierez ·

          In reply to From what he’s posted, Ernest

          Thank you for understanding the dilemma with OWA. That is why I need IE,and IE does not work all the time.
          BUT I think I found the problem. I have to switch ON the router at the same time as I boot the computer. Why is the problem only with IE?

        • #2958633

          Have you looked at CGIT’s post below?

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to From what he’s posted, Ernest

        • #2958596

          dorierez, why do you need all the features of OWA?

          by nicknielsen ·

          In reply to From what he’s posted, Ernest

          I function perfectly well with OWA Light in FF. As I said, the only essential feature of OWA that is not available in OWA Light is groups. Are you creating, deleting and modifying groups on a daily basis?

          None of the other missing features are essential to communication, they are just “nice-to-have” eye candy that, for me, hinder communication: html, emoticons, in-line images, etc.

        • #2958593

          Maybe the problem is with the way IE is integrated to Wizards.

          by deadly ernest ·

          In reply to From what he’s posted, Ernest

          Regarding the actual problem, the information does make it sound like the issue is with the system thinking there’s a proxy being set up. If your system settings are set up to for dhcp and it doesn’t find the dhcp server, then it defaults to some MS provided settings, and I suspect this is what’s happening with the situation described. Why it doesn’t affect FF I’m not sure as it should affect both. It’s because of these odd MS default settings that I prefer to use static IP addresses for my home network.

        • #2757911

          Linux

          by dorierez ·

          In reply to Is it at this point I should suggest you contemplate

          Thanks for the suggestion. I finally managed to install Kubuntu 8.10 on the HD, because I could not get it onto a CD, & now I’m in trouble! For an old Windows guy like me, it seems like a lot of learning, and my wife already complained that I spend too much time with what she calls my “first wife”. The latter can’t divorce me but I may not be able to remain so “faithful” to “her”… 🙂

    • #2958212

      When I first read this I thought …”Proxy?

      by cg it ·

      In reply to IE krazee, Microsoft ripp off

      the only time you configure a proxy in the browser is if the network has a proxy for internet access [such as ISA Server] and there is no client application that provides the proxy information. .

      If this is your laptop or desktop, and you have a router between your internet connection and your computer, is to use autodetect in the NIC card properties. Not IE properties. Autodetect in the NIC card properties will get an address from the routers DHCP server [turned on by default] the default gateway address [the routers address] and DNS servers [which are the ISP DNS servers]. for IE browser settings, you uncheck all boxes in the LAN configuration page.

      you can manually configure your network settings on your NIC if you have this information. Then for your browser, again, you uncheck all the boxes in the LAN properties page.

    • #2758051

      Found the answer

      by dorierez ·

      In reply to IE krazee, Microsoft ripp off

      I have wired my router, sound and monitor through a switch. If I don’t start the router before Windows boots, I ran into this problem.ONLY with IE, not with FF.
      I suppose that not many people wired their computer and modem/router on separate circuits.
      Thanks for those good hearted members for trying to help! Interesting to see if anybody can figure this one out…
      😉

      • #2758044

        ahh, an interesting network problem only solveable by

        by deadly ernest ·

        In reply to Found the answer

        being on site and looking at the set up. I don’t feel so bad now.

        BTW we were only to glad to try and help. We’re always trying, some more than others.

        • #2757968

          Feel bad?

          by dorierez ·

          In reply to ahh, an interesting network problem only solveable by

          Strange. Somebody that helps so much felt bad? No logic here. Like you said, without being there (not a bad place to visit BTW), you can’t solve everything and nobody could expect that! Yes, you are deadly earnest about trying. Thanks again! Merci beaucoup.

      • #2757962

        Hence the old adage to always power up the CPU [i]last[/i].

        by deepsand ·

        In reply to Found the answer

        Any device that is not “plug-and-play,” and is not detected at power-up, [i]can[/i] be problematic.

        That’s why there are power control devices that internally apply power to the ouput sockets sequentially, with the one intended for the CPU being the last to go live.

        In this case, running the suggested IE Diagnostics should have disclosed the problem; and, running Windows “Repair” function for the LAN connection should have fixed it.

        • #2757915

          Plug & Play

          by dorierez ·

          In reply to Hence the old adage to always power up the CPU [i]last[/i].

          I thought all USB devices are P&P and I tried all the diagnostics I could find. But I think you may have missed something here. FireFox always works well. Therefore my swearing at MS is still valid, no?

        • #2757904

          USB can support hot-swapping, but it’s not a necessary characteristic.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Plug & Play

          Furthermore, hot-swapping requires a stability of the sort that does not exist during the boot process.

          Hence the admonition to always make the CPU the last component to be powered up.

          As I immediately stated, yours was a connectivity problem. That FF worked does nothing to diminish that fact, a fact which is now evidenced by your own findings.

          Did you run the diagnostics that I prescribed?

          Did you try the LAN “Repair” function?

          If not, you might have saved yourself some time by doing as suggested.

          Are you justified in blaming MS? Unless and until you can pinpoint the specific hardware signal instability that was at the root of the problem, the answer is no.

    • #2758047

      LOL

      by rob miners ·

      In reply to IE krazee, Microsoft ripp off

      wasn’t ripped off after all. 😀

      • #2757935

        I don’t agree

        by dorierez ·

        In reply to LOL

        Why does FireFox always works? Are you a supporter of MS? 😉

        • #2757902

          Did MS manufacture all of the components of all of your devices?

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to I don’t agree

          Did MS assemble all of those devices?

          Did MS provide all of the drivers for all devices?

          Other than FF, are all applications developed and installed by MS?

          If not, then you’re a long way from being able to hold MS responsible.

        • #2757866

          Maybe

          by rob miners ·

          In reply to I don’t agree

          Firefox 3 supports a different detection method to detect whether or not there’s an active Internet connection.

          Yes, you could call me a M$ supporter along with the millions of others out there.

          I don’t normally turn off my Modem/Router either, especially if it is allocating DHCP leases.

        • #2756363

          Not to mention the loss of log data.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Maybe

          How to know of loop problems if no log being kept?

        • #2756319

          LOL

          by rob miners ·

          In reply to Not to mention the loss of log data.

          I had one that I had to shutdown and restart every friday morning to clear the cache. It was on its last legs and was eventually replaced.

        • #2755860

          MS supporter

          by dorierez ·

          In reply to Maybe

          You sound like you are on MS payroll. There are a lot more MS hater than followers. We are stuck with a monopoly of a company that plans inferior software to make more and more and more $$$$. And it looks like some people are happy to be ripped off…
          Thank god the monopoly is shrinking though!

        • #2755849

          Actually, I don’t think Jacky is so much an MS supporter as

          by deadly ernest ·

          In reply to MS supporter

          supported by MS products and recognises that most of his clients are users of MS products because they don’t know better.

          I detest MS and the way they operate, yet the majority of my paid IT work is from fixing problems on systems with MS software. I recognise that, and I think Jacky is in a similar position. And that means you also have to consider how the issues in threads like this will be viewed by the clients. Some do, some don’t.

        • #2755848

          Your entitiled to your opinions

          by rob miners ·

          In reply to MS supporter

          You asked a question and found out eventually that it was caused by you turning off your modem.
          I can’t see what that has to do with M$. I chose to learn and support M$ products because they are very popular where I live.
          In my twenty years in the industry I have never been asked to look at another Operating System other than a MAC. That wouldn’t put much food on the table would it. On the other hand if other Operating Systems were as popular as M$ is in my area I would have supported them as well. I don’t know how you came to the conclusion that I’m on the M$ payroll. You certainly have an imagination.

        • #2755836

          How do you get there from here?

          by seanferd ·

          In reply to MS supporter

          I’ve never known Jacky to be an “MS shill”. And how pointing out that FF uses a different detection method than IE leads to your conclusion, I don’t know.

          MS has pissed me off regularly for years, with various “features” of their products. However, they are still viable products, if overpriced IMO. My advice for you would be to use another OS in addition to Windows. Mac, Linux distros, and BSD distros would be the obvious choices. Use them when you don’t need to use Windows.

          Maybe MS is using a stupid connection detection method here (or not), but it is not any kind of rip off. I’m no MS apologist, but I do think you are a bit off base here. You may not like it, and I might not, if I ran into this problem. But making assumptions about, and attacking forum members based on those assumptions is hardly productive.

          Reasonable critiques of operating systems are always welcome. For OS religious wars, you might enjoy the ZDNet forums. You are already a member, as a member of TR.

          Take it easy, and cheers.

        • #2757585

          Missing the point

          by dorierez ·

          In reply to How do you get there from here?

          Many of you totally miss the point even though you all get frustrated with MS. Some of you back up MS because, thanks to their much less than perfect products, it gives you a living. That does not make the product a good one.
          You all recognize the FF got a better system of connection detection. That IS my point! Why can’t giant MS pick up the best methods of making a really good product. THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY! But they choose to not to! And I got it from someone that worked in Redmont! Hence the ripoff. Bill was a genius when he started out with software, then he became a genius in marketing. Look at Vista: it sucks & most users hate it. These are my points. The trouble is that MS got some good products and because of their initial innovations, we are all stuck with their products. Can anyone deny this?
          I’m not attacking anybody being rational and I constantly praise members giving their time helping. I don’t appreciate people trying to force their “help” when it’s not relevant.
          Thanks for all who genuinely help. Last words, look at all the thoughts that went into an issue that could have been prevented in the 1st place…

        • #2757562

          Good point there

          by nicknielsen ·

          In reply to Missing the point

          [i]look at all the thoughts that went into an issue that could have been prevented in the 1st place..[/i]

          simply by you leaving an O-N/O-F-F switch in the O-N position.

        • #2757491

          [i]We[/i] “all recognize the FF got a better system of …”

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Missing the point

          “connection detection?”

          That must have been in a different thread.

        • #2757489

          “people trying to force their “help” when it’s not relevant”

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Missing the point

          Was that also in a different thread?

        • #3006943

          No, I think you have missed the point

          by seanferd ·

          In reply to Missing the point

          I haven’t seen that anyone was going out of their way to defend MS. No one here was being an ideological MS supporter.

        • #2755815

          And you sound like one who’s less than rational.

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to MS supporter

          You were argumentative from the very beginning, rejecting anything that did not fit your preconceived notion as to the problem at hand. In doing so, you wasted both your time and that of those who were trying in good faith to assist you.

          Even now, with the cause being identified, you persist in your inane MS bashing to the point of accusing those who do not share your zealotry of being MS sycophants.

          This is not the behavior of a rational being.

        • #2755810

          Being=Rational

          by santeewelding ·

          In reply to And you sound like one who’s less than rational.

          Couldn’t resist.

          Besides, you used the word. My ears are tuned to it.

          Different fundamental frequency, though.

        • #2755809

          Being=Rational

          by boxfiddler ·

          In reply to Being=Rational

          Since when?

          eteffingu

        • #2755803

          Madam

          by santeewelding ·

          In reply to Being=Rational

          Has slipped well past her toe, and dips more into the depths.

        • #2757492

          Different bandwidth?

          by deepsand ·

          In reply to Being=Rational

          Perhaps a difference of harmonics alone.

    • #3005196

      BTW, next time, post in the correct forum.

      by deepsand ·

      In reply to IE krazee, Microsoft ripp off

      Technical Questions belong in the “Questions” forum; this is the “Discussions” one.

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