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Integrated Graphics

By devilmaycry ·
I own a dell dimension 4600, With integrated graphics... i do not have much to choose from on the upgrading plat form,
( results from the dell upgrade scan)
I am guessing the reasoning is the processor? which is Intel Pentium 4 2.80GHz ,...
With that being stated , I wanted to get a Video Card that wont kill my system , but will be up to speed for vista..( I'm using winxp pro).

My Question;s would be :

Would it be wiser to just start saving now for a newer system all together?, Or is their a possible way of upgrading so many things and it being cost effective ?

(Whats with this integrated stuff? Must be cheaper for companies ..)

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Well you are talking about two different things here

by OH Smeg In reply to Integrated Graphics

First you want to upgrade your hardware so you can Downgrade your Software to a substandard untested OS with Known Issues and a reputation for requiring vast amounts of System Resources to work slower than your current OS on more hardware.

With Vista and it's lack of Backward Compatibility you really should look at buying Hardware that was built with the idea of running Vista. It may even be as fast as your current system running XP but you need to realize that external devices that you currently own may no longer function with Vista. Things like Scanners. Printers are known Problems with Vista and from a Business Point of View it is considered that you need to replace all of your hardware when you Downgrade to Vista. This is an expensive business and for fairly obvious reasons not one undertaken but any business run by Engineers or Accountants as the costs are not worth any perceived benefits which quite frankly just don't exist.

Col

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integrated ...

by devilmaycry In reply to Well you are talking abou ...

Hi, an thanks for replying ...
I've ran several test , and everything is compatible with vista .. Besides a few programs and my Video Card.
Thats why i've been trying to figure out what i can do ,also what i can get.Its been kind of back and forth , Being as i am clueless i suppose about integrated things.

Like mentioned before, I ran an compatible test on dells site concerning my systems capability , to handle the upgrades i was desiring .
To not much surprise; Not much was compatible. But just like everything in life everything is stemmed from one thing to another, With that in mind ... to possible upgrade the integrated video ,( ? ) with something worth spending money on, I'd probably have to get a faster processor.( ? )
But what if my system isn't capable of handle a worth wild processor ( ? ).. what would i need to check then.. My board ?

Lots of questions, sorry.. if you could answer or at least give me more of an idea of what i need. It would be very helpfully.

Thanks.!

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Go with a new system

by GoodOh In reply to integrated ...

Unless you really know what you are doing upgrading
harware is likely to end up a far more expensive option
for you (in money and pain) than just going to the Dell
site and getting yourself a nice shiny new system with
Vista pre-installed.

Loading Vista on old hardware is a fool's game that is
best avoided.

The fact that Dell says hardware is Vista compatible
doesn't mean it will run Vista well, just that it won't
completely fail. Save yourself pain and start saving for a
new machine.

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OK in answer to your questions

by OH Smeg In reply to Integrated Graphics

Companies like Dell use Integrated everything because it's cheaper considerably cheaper to make something and flog it off the Joe Public. Of course Joe Public wants the cheapest that they can buy so everyone is happy till something goes wrong.

As I do not have your Service Tag I do not know the exact configuration of your system but it supposedly comes with a P4 CPU up to 3.06 GIG. Now these are the old generation 478 Socket CPU's so you will have to get the fastest that you can find probably second Hand or at least Old New Stock to change this.

The Video Card that this system supposedly takes is AGP so you'll be looking at Old Technology again as AGP is now no more as it has been replaced by PCI Express so you will have to look at a AGP Video Card with at least 256 MEG Memory Capacity and ideally more like 512 or better. This will still be slower than a PCI Express Card but it will work. But the good news is that this is an Intel Chip Set M'Board so you should be right with any 16 X AGP card. Either NVidia or ATI should work with this M'Board so you have a wide choice of available Video Cards.

If you really insist on Down Grading to Vista this M'Board can hold 4 GIG of RAM and you'll need to fit this much RAM to have a fighting chance of Vista running acceptably on this system after you fit a Video Card and possibly up the CPU as well.

As this M'Board only supports IDE Drives again these are the Old Technology and the slower types as well as some companies are stopping making them so you will have limited choices very soon if not now. But you'll need to go with something bigger than what the unit came with to have enough room to run Vista reliably and fast enough to be useful. But here is the problem IDE Drives are controlled through the BIOS and BIOS has a Upper Limit on the HDD's capacity/size that it can support so you'll need to go bigger but not so big that the BIOS will no longer recognize the HDD's. Though it is possible to fit 2 HDD's to this computer according to the Specifications provided by Dell. So you could run a 2 HDD configuration to have sufficient size for your needs if the BIOS can not support the HDD size that you require.

You'll also need a DVD Reader at the very least as Vista comes on DVD not CD so without a DVD reader you will be unable to load Vista before you even start. This thankfully is a straight swap and only requires money to buy a replacement DVD Drive and undo 4 screws to change the Drive. It should just be a matter of Unplug the Old Unscrew it slide it out slide in the new one Plug it in and screw it in place.

The next thing is that Dell state that the PS here is 250W which if it was an Antec or similar Power Supply may just be big enough but with what Dell supply it is underpowered to **** and needs replacing. But here is a problem as Dell do not always use a Standard PS you may find that you are unable to fit a Standard Bigger Wattage PS into the case.

With all PS you are better off buying the better kind those are rated to continuous power output as apposed to the cheap no name ones which are rated to a peek value which they can maintain for a few minutes and then need to be run well under this limit till the PS cools sufficiently to be able to provide the higher loads again. This can range from 2 minutes at full power and then 25 minutes at a much lower power to keep the PS safe and not burn out. But remember that those are rubbery figures as I don't know which PS you actually have.

As for external Equipment you need to check it all to make sure that it is Vista Compatible. So anything that you plug into the computer Will need testing. This includes Printers, Scanners, External HDD enclosures, Camera's, Thumb Drives and in fact any USB Device that you have.

There are several USB HDD Enclosures that do not have Vista Compatible Chip Sets in their Interface Cards so they will not work with Vista and the HDD that they attach to will be unreadable

That is a short overview of what you are looking at and is by no means a complete guide to what is required.

Also you need to understand that Vista Compatible doesn't mean that it will run Vista Well just that Vista will run on this hardware in some shape or form. It may take 20 minutes to boot but it is still running Vista. It may also take 2 minutes from when you click on a Mouse Button or push a Key on the Keyboard to get a response on the monitor. That is what Vista Compatible means.

Col

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AGP

by devilmaycry In reply to OK in answer to your ques ...

I had read some where that those were better then the reg PCI cards, But i couldn't figure out why dell didn't recommend them;

Here is the results ;

Your Scan Results View All
Dimension 4600i
General

Windows Version Microsoft Windows XP Professional
Processor
Model Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
Hard Drive
Drive Size Free Space Utilized
C: 84.69 Gb 62.34 Gb 26 %

V: 51.41 Gb 23.71 Gb 54 %


Video Adapters
Model Memory
Intel(R) 82865G Graphics Controller 96 Mb

Memory
Total 2560 Mb
Available 73 %

Slot Size Speed Type
Slot 1 256 Mb 400 Mhz SDRAM
Slot 2 256 Mb 400 Mhz SDRAM
Slot 3 1024 Mb 400 Mhz SDRAM
Slot 4 1024 Mb 400 Mhz SDRAM

Available Slots 0


and the 2 graphic cards they say are compatible :

Refurbished: 64 MB NV18 DVI Graphics Card with TV-Out


Refurbished: 128 MB GeForceFX 5200 Graphics Card with TV-Out

......


Are Any of those two worth the 80 - 90$ cost?

thanks

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Both of the Cards are worth the money

by OH Smeg In reply to AGP

But there are potential Problems here as well. The GeForce +card is a nVidia Chip Set and it may be one of the affected ones where nVidia may have a design problem with the Chips used. Provided you Do Not Overclock the Video Card and you Keep It Cool it shouldn't be an issue but if you are going to push it hard you may have problems with it.

Also have a look around for AGP Video Cards as you may find new cards with a larger amount of RAM close to that price or maybe even cheaper

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?CatId=318&name=AGP&

There are 3 types of Video Cards that are currently available PCI which is the oldest type was used in computers before the AGP Interface was developed.

AGP which is now Old Technology and has been replaced by PCI Express. These cards started at 1 X and when they reached their peak of Development they ran at 16 X but your M'Board only supports 8 X. So no matter what type you get you will not get the full benefit of a 16 X AGP Card as the M'Board can not support it but as these are cheap enough you can probably get a 512 MEG Video Card very Cheaply with one of the newest Chip Sets on it.

PCI Express which is the current generation Video Format this started life as a 16 X Video Acceleration and has got faster with time though there are still many M'Boards being made with 16 X Video Acceleration only available. Like the AGP format you can use faster Video Cards in a 16 X Socket and not suffer any problems with the Video Output.

The Cards you listed do not actually capture Video but they have a Coax Connector on them that can be used to feed a Composite Signal to a TV, Set Top Box or so on as well as the Computer Monitor. The Video generated on th Video Card feed to a TV Set is Video Only you do not get any Audio Signals feed to the TV through the 1 Coax Cable that the Video Card has. If you need to feed Audio to the TV you need to run a Audio Cable from the Sound Card to the TV or whatever you are connecting to.

I hope that is of help here.

Col

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Vista is cheaper with a new system than as seperate purchase.

by 1bn0 In reply to Integrated Graphics

By purchasing a new system your money is going towards aquiring the hardware necessary to run Vista effectively. Vista is a small portion of the purchase price.

Windows Vista Home Basic 32-bit $89.00
Windows Vista Home Prem 32-bit $109.99
Windows Vista Business 32-bit $139.99
Windows Vista Ultimate 32-bit $189.99

Refurbished PC - VIsta H Prem
HP Pavilion a6433w Refurbished Intel Desktop PC - Intel Pentium Dual Core E2180 2GHz, 3GB DDR2, 500GB SATA 3G, DVD-RW DL Lightscribe, 15-in-1 Media Reader, Gigabit LAN, Vista Home Premium

$339.99


New PC - Vista H Prem

Compaq Presario SR5505F AMD Desktop Computer - AMD Athlon X2 4200+ 2.2GHz, 1GB DDR2, 160GB SATA II, DVDRW-RAM-LS, 10/100 LAN, Windows Vista Home Premium SP1

$349.96

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