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Is data-gathering becoming a cliche?

By PESK, mbcs, mcse, mcitp, sts ·
I have been in IT for some 17 years, ever since I achieved my City and Guilds Certificate in Computer Science and Information Technology from the ETC Southall College of Technology (SCoT).

Back then, Information Technology meant the "acquisition, storage, manipulation and distribution of data, in its many forms, mainly electronic".

I joined TR in September of 2002 and since then have watched as the questions in Tech Q&A have become less and less IT oriented.

Not many seem to be able to "acquire" information any more. The number of questions I have seen that would have been quicker answered had the user just visited one of the more erstwhile search engines beggars belief.

What does it take to search on Google or Bing or Yahoo what the licencing structure of Exchange 2007 is? Or whether a Canon Cyberthing battery will work on a Phillips Surething camera, blah, blah?

What does it take to email/call/text/walk to/stalk/surveil a manufacturer for info regarding one of their product before posting a question on TR?

Nowadays, we have such a vast array of tools at our disposal that data gathering should be easy, at best.

Whenever I have had to trouble-shoot/repair an IT system, the first thing that I have had to do is to exhaustively (as far as possible) search the inter-web. Even just to make sure that the answer is not "out-there", before throwing my hands in the air in despair! I have even been known to visit a library, and/or, read a book.

Not so, these new techies.

We are being blighted by a new type of 'techie'. A new type of sys-admin. The lazy Sys-Admin. This beast cannot be bothered to 'Google' stuff anymore and as such the collective knowledge of the future System Engineers has become a bottomless cess-pool of mindless IT admins, whose only satisfaction is to sit back and let others do their work.


...then deduct 2 cents.

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I want their jobs. All of them.

by seanferd In reply to Is data-gathering becomin ...

As a person with no formal training, but simply a functioning brain, I can run circles around many purported "admins". This is just fscking sad.

I think I could replace about 100 of these people, from the comfort of my own home.

Yet it seems that seasoned IT pros have trouble finding new work simply due to a policy of hiring younger people. Stupid.

(And it isn't just at TR.)

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Forget not, as well...

...that younger people can cram their heads with all sorts of new-fangled technology that they could never put into practise; at least not with any confidence whatsoever and still manage to command a lot of money for the pleasure.

Why? Probably because they have no family ties. No young IT-rettes running abound in the west-wing. I wish I could pick up a book and just read for 2 solid hours nowadays!

I hear story after piteous story of the young graduate who was employed to replace old Tom, **** or Harriete (who had to be let go because they costed the company an arm and loads of shares to be kept on the books) and these graduates were no good at the prctical stuff. Could recite the complete third chapter of "Semiconductors and Computing, a Third Edition", pretty well, though!

They disgust me!

You know what? I take back my 2 cents!

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Reminds me of a story

by NickNielsen In reply to Is data-gathering becomin ...

There was an engineer who had an exceptional gift for fixing all things computer and network. After serving his company loyally for over 30 years, he happily retired. Several years later his company contacted him regarding a seemingly impossible problem they were having with one of their more complex networks. They had tried everything and everyone else to get the problem fixed, but to no avail. In desperation, they called on the retired engineer who had solved so many of their problems in the past. The engineer reluctantly took the challenge. He spent a day at the console in the server room, entering commands and studying the results. At the end of the day he walked over to a rack, pulled out a paper clip, reset a switch, and the network worked perfectly again. The company received a bill for $50,000 from the engineer for his services. They demanded an itemized accounting of his charges. The engineer responded briefly:
Resetting the switch .... ..... ..... $1
Knowing which switch to reset .. $49,999

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Very well put.

I couldn't have summarised it better myself. Brilliant!

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It's simple really, those of us who are pre-internet

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to Is data-gathering becomin ...

have developed this inefficient habit of figuring it out ourselves.

We ought to stop f'ing about and just ask, and become modern techies ourselves.

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Too true...

Trial and error and age-old methods of acquiring knowledge are soooo last century. They are not time efficient and in this day-and-age, this era of "I-want-it-and-I-want-it-now!" dictates that if the answer is not readily apparent (read: 5 minutes) then re-image, insert CD and reboot, start, press F8 and at the command prompt, type FDISK...

So sad!

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Another answer might be

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to Too true...

That when we couldn't find or afford the book, and were struggling to find an answer ourselves. We asked someone face to face.

Not saying thankyou then, was a good way of your next question being answered with

"F*** off you iggerant b'stard."

For those who choose not to respond, remember there's always a next question....

It's the name of the game.

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But if everybody is asking

by NickNielsen In reply to It's simple really, those ...

who is answering?

Besides, I'm not temperamentally suited to asking somebody else for help if I can figure it out for myself. I'd rather be the guy with the paper clip than all those other people.

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Despite our best efforts some of us

by Tony Hopkinson In reply to But if everybody is askin ...

will unthinkingly fall back onto our bad habits and make some foolish attempt to figure it out.

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What is this

by santeewelding In reply to Is data-gathering becomin ...

A meeting of the Society of Old Farts?

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