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    Is it me, or have many IT recruiters morphed into annoying telemarketers?

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    by why me worry? ·

    I think I’ll have to remove my resume from every online job board because the volume of pointless emails and telephone calls is never ending.

    Case in point:

    “Hello, my name is and I saw your resume online (where might I ask exactly?)”. “Please send me an updated resume and call me to discuss some excellent opportunities I am currently working on”.

    Uhhhh..not for nothing…but who the hell are you and what exactly do you have to offer before I send you a detailed resume with my address and other information? I have to call them and engage in a useless 30 minute conversation, only to find out that the position they have is total crap and halfway around the country?

    Why are recruiters so defensive about simply stating the job requirements, exact salary or hourly rate being offered, and where in the hell this job is. I don’t have time to play mickey mouse games or engage in telephone tag to get this information. If you want to sell me something, like a job, how’s about telling me what it is you are selling first before I waste my time any further?

    Am I wrong here, because my time is precious and is better spent on serious work instead of 3 week consulting assignments at burger flipper hourly rates.

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    • #2524576

      its you

      by cg it ·

      In reply to Is it me, or have many IT recruiters morphed into annoying telemarketers?

      🙂

      • #2524574

        Care to elaborate?

        by why me worry? ·

        In reply to its you

        🙂

        • #2524543

          a joke

          by cg it ·

          In reply to Care to elaborate?

          🙂

          Recruiters are tying to fill IT jobs with qualified [degree and experience] people and the going market rate is less than what IT people belive their skills are worth. I think the .com ear mindset of large salaries for IT people still pervades the IT workforce. Reality is IT is an administrative fucntion. It’s necessary because companies depend on it but they don’t want to pay salaries to IT people that rival executive salaries.

        • #2524541

          I know…I was simply playing along

          by why me worry? ·

          In reply to a joke

          🙂

        • #2524508

          in that case

          by cg it ·

          In reply to I know…I was simply playing along

          yes! it’s you…. the recruiters all know who you are and are just messing with you..

        • #2524475

          So my paranoia and intuitions are correct. They are messing with me.

          by why me worry? ·

          In reply to in that case

          And all this time, I was thinking that I was suffering from anxiety and schizophrenia…LMAO!

    • #2524560

      Unless they talk to you ….

      by onbliss ·

      In reply to Is it me, or have many IT recruiters morphed into annoying telemarketers?

      …they don’t know the following:

      [i]Am I wrong here, because my time is precious and is better spent on serious work instead of 3 week consulting assignments at burger flipper hourly rates.[/i]

      Hence they take the efforts to find out if you are the person they need “right now” or “for the future”.

      I was involved in a sales mail campaign, and what I saw could very well be applied in recruiting as well. The consulting organization was sending hundreds of mails (brochures, literatures, fliers…) to specific individuals in different companies. The Accounts Manager (a.k.a Sales people) then followed up, by calling those folks after a week or two to talk about the specifics of the mail. I don’t remember the numbers, but the thought process was like send several mails, follow up on them, and there is a chance that a few managers actually read the mail and answered the sales phone. A few of them, agreed to meet the sales personnel in person. And finally few of them agreed to interview candidates.

      It was a machine, people were supposed to send mail, some were supposed to call and talk. Some were supposed to go in person all to arrange interviews. Meanwhile, recruiters had keep looking in their database, and ensure there was steady stream of resources available when those interviews turned up.

      Sometimes I do think coding is lot easier than those jobs. And those folks do not even get paid as much as we do.

      • #2524552

        Right, but why are they purposely leaving out job descriptions in emails?

        by why me worry? ·

        In reply to Unless they talk to you ….

        They’ve obviously seen my resume online and should know if I am a fit or not for the position, but again, I’d like to first see what they have to offer before I start engaging in telephone tag.

        • #2524510

          Secretive

          by onbliss ·

          In reply to Right, but why are they purposely leaving out job descriptions in emails?

          I just got off the phone, talking to someone who is working through some recruiters. The comment was that the consulting firm was secretive about submitting the resumes.

          It is only my guess that they do not want you or anyone else to circumvent them and land into that job.

        • #2524474

          Not asking to disclose who the client is, but tell me about the job itself

          by why me worry? ·

          In reply to Secretive

          All I want is a detailed description of the job responsibilities, the nature of the business, the duration of the project, and the money it pays. I could care less who the client is, as my main concern is to see whether or not the job fits me or not.

        • #2524472

          If they have to worry about being circumvented, then perhaps they suck

          by why me worry? ·

          In reply to Secretive

          to begin with as a recruiting firm. Any firms that have an exclusive relationship with a client need not worry that someone will try to circumvent them because the client is bound by a legal contract. It’s these secretive firms that I don’t like dealing with because I feel as if I have to dig and extract every bit of usefull information from them about the job.

        • #2524470

          You totally sure that they read your res?

          by w2ktechman ·

          In reply to Right, but why are they purposely leaving out job descriptions in emails?

          I get emails about great opportunities that I not qualify for at all. I have worked on servers (Novell, NT4), and desktop systems. I am certified for networking and pc repair. I have received a few emails recently about ‘finding my resume’ online and that I could qualify for a position. Usually I just email back and ask for more info.
          recently all of those were for either programming, or managing developers. Nowhere on my resume does it say I know the first thing about programming or managing developers…

          They are probably just looking at an email address and sending out emails so that they can show how many initial replies they receive, to get more businesses to use their service (padding the #’s a bit).

        • #2524468

          Well, I would hope and assume they did if they are emailing me

          by why me worry? ·

          In reply to You totally sure that they read your res?

          Or maybe I’m being too optimistic.

        • #2524466

          I think it is the optimistic side coming out

          by w2ktechman ·

          In reply to Well, I would hope and assume they did if they are emailing me

          as I said, I think that they are recording each reply and using it to pad their #’s to get more companies to use their service.
          But I would imagine that these are the shadier recruiters, so I stopped replying to them.

        • #2524453

          I just flag them as junk email most of the times

          by why me worry? ·

          In reply to I think it is the optimistic side coming out

          Too bad they don’t heed my requests to PERMANENTLY remove me from their mailing lists.

        • #2524421

          Another thought, spam them back with fake jobs

          by w2ktechman ·

          In reply to I just flag them as junk email most of the times

          then they will waste their time even more. Then decide (before anything is signed) that you have decided not to hire anyone at this time.
          go back a few months later and do it again. Although it may be time consuming, it sounds like fun!!!

    • #2524471

      Funny you mentioned that

      by gerberb58 ·

      In reply to Is it me, or have many IT recruiters morphed into annoying telemarketers?

      I removed ALL of my resumes from ALL online postings. Nothing but crap jobs, junk email and phone calls where the person could not even speak plain english. Boy, what a huge career boost to take one of those jobs…NOT!

      • #2524469

        That’s exactly the nonsense I put up with

        by why me worry? ·

        In reply to Funny you mentioned that

        Now these schmucks are calling me from places like Wipro and other H1-B mills, asking me what my hourly rate and citizenship status is. My reply isn’t very polite to them, given how I feel about H1-Bs’ and Indians in general.

    • #2524391

      Right there with you

      by tig2 ·

      In reply to Is it me, or have many IT recruiters morphed into annoying telemarketers?

      I get many calls- to my cell phone- from people who want to talk to me about the “perfect opportunity” that they currently have with a major client.

      In the first five minutes of the call, they ask for my rate. Generally, when I give them my rate, they continue with high level information about the role and offer a substantially lower rate.

      I will repeat my rate one more time. I generally get some chat about how the market is no longer paying those rates for this job description and that I should be more realistic. My usual response is that if the client wants me, they will pay my rate.

      The calls or emails that mean anything to me are the ones from people who know my professional background and know my rates. I have had recently an opportunity to potentially bill for three months on a contract to hire with the annualised salary on the lower end of my usual scale. If offered, I will take the role as the company is so very highly thought of in this area and the benefits are wonderful.

      If someone calls me about work, I will generally tell them that I would love to give them a call back after receiving an email from them regarding the role specifics. If I don’t like what the email says, I respond to it saying that I don’t think that we have a fit. If they call after receiving that email, I state one time that I don’t see a fit, wish them a pleasant day and hang up.

      Sad that it has come to this.

    • #2582876

      morphing recruiters

      by ironspider ·

      In reply to Is it me, or have many IT recruiters morphed into annoying telemarketers?

      “Why are recruiters so defensive about simply stating the job requirements, exact salary or hourly rate being offered, and where in the hell this job is.”

      Because some recruiters are trying (and failing) to make it appear that they have your best interest in mind. They’re trying to make it appear that they want to know where you want to go, what you want for compensation, and what your skills are without sounding like what they really want: a body to fill a job.

      I always ask the candidate for a 30 minute time slot to interview them and find out what they desire. I usually don’t have any specific job in mind for that candidate at that time, but when something comes up that fits into the requirements given to me during the interview, then I’ll call the candidate with the position. Almost everyone is willing to give me 30 minutes of their time to let me know what they desire most.

      And obviously, I’m a recruiter, but I try not to work IT. I merely found this website during a search for programming in lpc. I program sometimes as a hobby.

      • #2807646

        Curiosity

        by highlander718 ·

        In reply to morphing recruiters

        How do you think a candidate decides to spend 30 min. with you and not with another recruiter ? I assume, you’re not the only recruiter in your area, and that a candidate (especialy if currently employed) does not have so many 30 min’s. (plus commuting) to meet all recruiters …

        Personally I would not go to see a recruiter if not for an existing/real job of which I have at least a general idea.

    • #2807680

      the reason you go through what you go through

      by rogersbeasley1 ·

      In reply to Is it me, or have many IT recruiters morphed into annoying telemarketers?

      I personally did some PT recruiting. Many of the people contacting you may not be the actual recruiter for the job but looking to get a fee for referring you. If they give you too much info initially all you would do is bypass them and contact the company directly and the person would not get a finder fee as a result.
      also the fact that they aren’t too well versed in the industry would explain why they are offering you a position you are not a good fit for.
      a qualified IT recruiter would not waste their time or yours on a candidate without the right skills.

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