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Is Jessica Lynch - A Hero - Coward - or Just Stupid

By JimHM ·
Has anyone read any of her Autobio - by the NYT's reporter. Just finished the first few chapters - and now she is saying she wasn't scared - the doctors took excellent care of her - she wasn't raped ..

Is this women just a typical West Virg Hillbilly - Dumb as a Bag of Rocks - A true Hero, saying what actually happened - a Coward - A Fool -

Anyone else read her BS - line - which is the turth - her live interviews or her story in the book ...

Just another Dumb as a Bag of Rocks - West Virg -

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A survivor

by dbertsche In reply to Is Jessica Lynch - A Hero ...

Watched part of the Sawyer interview with her last night and she said she was scared which I think would be very understandable. I see her as a survivor which is what she said on the interview.

She didn't see herself as a hero and stated the same. She also stated her weapon jammed (typical problem with the M16)so she really didn't have any means to fight. I wouldn't describe her as a coward, just a scared young girl.

Having been in a combat zone (Viet Nam) anyone who says they're not scared is either lying or a fool.

I don't think I would categorize her as dumb, the interview implied she had led a somewhat sheltered life before going into the Army so I just don't think she has had a lot of life experiences.

Cut her some slack as she wound up in a situation that was not anticipated and remember her unit was not an actual combat unit so she and her fellow soldiers were not prepared at all for what they went through.

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Yes - She is a Survivor

by JimHM In reply to A survivor

Yes she is - but being used and abused by the Media.

I said stupid / dumb for permitting the Autobio by a NewYork Times (Liberal) author, which she should of known was going to slant it. And now somehow - the Prince of Prono (Penthouse) has nude photo's of her? How many more things is this girl going to step in? In the book she saids they didn't need all those guys to rescue her... Last night she said that the numbers were justified because they didn't know what they were coming into.

Coward, we took care of our weapons and put a rubber over the mussle of it. Also kept the weapon clean. And scared shitless "YES" many times made that talk with God during a good hot fire fight. Anyone that says that aren't scared are fools or liers or nuts. My question, she never fired a round so how did the other 11 members of her team get killed or die?

I am not blaming her for being used by the media (she young, seen money, and lived in Wva) but she needs to answer some questions - The clamed (which is possible) loss of memory from time of initial attack until 3 hours later, so the military needs to investage. Yes, fire fights and protecting each other is scary - but my question is what happened to her brothers and sisters in that company? How was she the only survivor - with a jammed weapon and the Iraqi's killed the others?

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Its Hustler not Penthouse

by jkaras In reply to Yes - She is a Survivor

Larry has Hustler and Bob Guicionne is Penthouse

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Bob Guccione NO MORE

by Oz_Media In reply to Its Hustler not Penthouse

Bob's selling Penthouse after practically going broke. Last year he had his mansion for sale, this year he is sellnig $200 million in art (Picasso, Renoir, etc).

There is no confirmed buyer yet but interest has been expressd by Larry Flint as well as others.

Bye Bye, Bobby. Next time, keep up with customer demand.

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More Info

by dbertsche In reply to Yes - She is a Survivor

Jim,

According to the interview when the convoy came under attack and our people were shooting back at the Iraqis, the senior NCO realized they were outmanned and outgunned at some point. He ordered the vehicle that 5 of them (including Lynch who was in the middle of the back seat) to run. The driver sped up but wound up crashing into a truck that was apparently stopped in the desert. The impact of the crash crushed the NCO who was in front. The driver (indian lady) was hurt seriously and eventually died in a hospital. One of the remaining two was either hit by a round or injured in the crash and bled out. I don't remember exactly if the other guy was shot or killed by the wreck. Lynch apparently hit her head during the crash and blacked out and only came to in the hospital. She's probably extremely lucky that she wasn't killed. It's likely if an Iraqi had saw movement from the vehicle that she would have been killed.

Regarding the failure of the weapon to fire, It was apparent during the interview that prior to this event happending the maintenance vehicles were attempting to catch up to the regular troops and running virtually non stop. She had been driving another vehicle when it became unoperable. She left this vehicle and got in another one so if it was her specific weapon it was exposed to the elements for at least a few minutes. It was not revealed in the interview if any other weapons had failed. It's quite possible the weapon wasn't hers. Don't get me wrong, I was trained to make sure my weapon was always clean and things to do to protect it but there again I was in the kind of unit that required that. It's likely that since there's was a back element unit they never counted on being put in that situation, bad thinking on their part I suppose but I think the prime reason 11 people in our unit were killed was they were very much outnumbered and outgunned.

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More Info

by dbertsche In reply to Yes - She is a Survivor

Jim,

According to the interview when the convoy came under attack and our people were shooting back at the Iraqis, the senior NCO realized they were outmanned and outgunned at some point. He ordered the vehicle that 5 of them (including Lynch who was in the middle of the back seat) to run. The driver sped up but wound up crashing into a truck that was apparently stopped in the desert. The impact of the crash crushed the NCO who was in front. The driver (indian lady) was hurt seriously and eventually died in a hospital. One of the remaining two was either hit by a round or injured in the crash and bled out. I don't remember exactly if the other guy was shot or killed by the wreck. Lynch apparently hit her head during the crash and blacked out and only came to in the hospital. She's probably extremely lucky that she wasn't killed. It's likely if an Iraqi had saw movement from the vehicle that she would have been killed.

Regarding the failure of the weapon to fire, It was apparent during the interview that prior to this event happending the maintenance vehicles were attempting to catch up to the regular troops and running virtually non stop. She had been driving another vehicle when it became unoperable. She left this vehicle and got in another one so if it was her specific weapon it was exposed to the elements for at least a few minutes. It was not revealed in the interview if any other weapons had failed. It's quite possible the weapon wasn't hers. Don't get me wrong, I was trained to make sure my weapon was always clean and things to do to protect it but there again I was in the kind of unit that required that. It's likely that since there's was a back element unit they never counted on being put in that situation, bad thinking on their part I suppose but I think the prime reason 11 people in our unit were killed was they were very much outnumbered and outgunned.

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M-16 is reliable

by road-dog In reply to A survivor

I have maintained and fired the m16 in temperatures from minus 20 degrees to 120 degrees F. When properly maintained, this weapon doesn't fail.

Units describing problems with the weapon either are not training their personnel properly or have
incompetent armorers.

Their weapon jams are almost certainly due to known causes, such as a simple alignment of three gas rings which must be placed with openings not together. When placed improperly, they cause excessive bleed of blowback gas that causes the bolt housing group to fail to fully cycle and the fired round to be not ejected.

This is inexcusable in a maintenance unit.

If this were a Marine unit, all weapons in the unit would be inspected and those failing to follow basic maintenance procedures would be fined. To improperly maintain your weapon and cause your own death is a waste of two pieces of government property....

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HAVING SERVED...

by FluxIt In reply to M-16 is reliable

I served in Arabian Gulf and there is problem with airborn granular particulates as much as 50 miles to sea. I never had an M16 to maintain but my aircraft were constantly in repair for damage caused by this particulate dust. Tips of rotors destroyed, AOA indicators clogging, and sandblasting effects on the leading edges and painted surfaces. It was not uncommon to have this dust blowing over the flight deck. In fact, we had an out and out sand storm 50 miles to sea. it was in everything.

So I can see how an M16 or other equipment could jam. As far as the battle tactics when in combat that is part of warfighting. Those soldiers should have been trained and thier leadership should know how to defend his people. Whether they group and defend a point or disperse and become more offensive is a call the on-scene commander should have made. To me they were not properly trained.

The accounts I heard were kind of scary like everyone was just racing around at will. No communication. No leadership. Combat contact should be a well practiced feat. These guys should have been cool and confident. Instead, they appeared to be a bunch of misfits tossed into a chaotic situation with no guidance or training. For that I fault, the Army and thier leadership.

The Profession Of Arms is about people. Failure to realize this is a serious serious fault of our leadeship.

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Fine Grit and Proper Maintenance

by road-dog In reply to HAVING SERVED...

The leading edge of helo blades and wing surfaces are a far cry from the inner workings of the M16 rifle.

The aircraft surfaces are exposed to high velocity wind where they get sandblasted. Sensors and intakes that ingest air can be fouled and abraded by the particulates carried at high speed.

Rifles collect grit through dust settling on lubricated surfaces. These surfaces must be kept free of excessive CLP (cleaner, lubricant, protectant), otherwise grit turns into clogging & abrasive paste.

One must resist the temptation to solve grit in the works through application of CLP, or the problem only gets worse.

I blame insufficient training and failure of NCOs to properly prepare these folks for operations in the sand. There are a lot of senior enlisted people who served in the Gulf War that should have passed this important experience on to the newbies. As is, every troop heading into "indian country" should have his gear checked by NCOs checking that their equipment is in good working order....

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M16 was ok but to small cal for jungle

by JimHM In reply to HAVING SERVED...

In Nam the weapon was great just to lite a calabor for the jungle - needed the bigger cal's to do it ... we also had to deal with mud, water, heat and humdity over sand and heat. And cleaning your weapon a couple times a day was SOP. We delt with it with a rubber and cleaning - it didn't jam. A simple Rubber over the mussle worked great.

If her weapon was jammed from dirt that was poor training and NCO fault for failure to inspect his teams weapons prior to a mission..

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