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Job huntng sucks

By mglabara ·
HI long time user of T.R first time writer..

Anyhoo.. i have 5 years SYS Admin experience couple of certs mostly microsoft studing for A+ know hardware but never got the certificate.
I live in NYC but i cannot find a job or anyone to hire me.. I worked in a financial firm for 5 years suppporting 50 peeps by myself.

any advice or connections out there. thanks

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I can relate

by Keith Hailey In reply to Job huntng sucks

I know what you mean. I was in Integrated Avionics in the Air Force for 9 years, 3 1/2 of it was teaching. Anything PC related, network related and so forth, are like childs play. But, everyone thinks that MS certification is a must. I've taken Jobs in numerous other areas, and every time I turn around, I have to show some certified geek what the problem is with a terminal, network, router, modem, what ever. I've even had to walk call in support folks through problems. I have all kinds of Diplomas but really no way to translate them, and it does get discouraging.
So, I tell you what, and you won't get this offer from many folks. I'll Pray for you and you pray for me and we'll see what hapens.
Take care and hope things work out.

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by Bulk In reply to Job huntng sucks

Have you checked with the local recruiters? I'm in also NYC, and I know that there are a ton of recruiters. Look in the phone book or google a bit.

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It definatly does

by Zen37 In reply to Job huntng sucks

Things here up north are not better. I found a job at a consulting firm after two and a half month search.

One of the things that helped me was this clinic i followed to help me find a job. Here are a few tips that helped me and might help you.

1.Everything today is about connections, almost no jobs appear in the paper, websites or even headhunters anymore. Everything come from a friend of a friend or a "i know someone who knows someone" type of deal. Work your network of connections, friends, neighbors, supplier, family, corner store clerk, anyone willing to listen. Tell them you're looking and that if they hear something, keep you in mind.

2.Make an extra effort to make your CV as perfect as possible, get it to professionnals, have it analyzed, work it to the bone. That resume is your sales pitch, it needs to be perfect. Same for the letter of presentation. Personnalize every one of them, no copies, make everyone unique and aligned with the position you are seeking.

3. This is the one i hated the most. Research the companies you would like to work for, try to find who is the director of IT or the departement you wish to work for. Call him up, tell him you wish to speak to him about what it takes to make it into the field, what he looks for in a candidate, etc. Ask him for some time to meet face to face to discuss the services and advantages of you working for him. This is the sales pitch to end all sales pitch. I hate sales, cold call and the likes, that's why i hated this part.

4. Do not be afraid to sell yourself. Make what you do sound greater than it actually is. Do not lie, just embellish a little by using industry words. I read alot of magazines and web articles. The grammar and the words used in those articles are what's grabbing the readers, learn from it.

I wish you luck on your search.

My final advice might be this one, don't settle for something bad because you are afraid not to find anything. If the job offered is not for you, don't take it. Too often that happens and you end up miserable and depressed.

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by warbears In reply to Job huntng sucks

I have a number of cert's, A+,Microsoft and Cisco.(even a webmaster cert) It doesn't seem to matter. I have been in the computer arena since "DOS" was introduced and Apple had a square box with a 4 inch screen.

However, I have white hair. (which I have had since age 28.) I go to interviews and you can see the bias as you look into the eyes of your interviewer.

My last job as a network engineer, lasted 4 months before the company fell apart. I never did get my last pay check. To make it worse, it took 14 months to get that job.

I am now trying to start my own little piece of the business world and finding it very slow.

Good Luck.

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by mglabara In reply to Empathize

HEy WAR BEARS if you are in the NYC area and NEED ANY TECHS FOR YOUR BIZ reply to me at this post i am serious about this.. i rather work for someone who has heart in the biz not some cold callas company who can toss me away

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Yes it does

by gene.fellner In reply to Job huntng sucks

It took me seven months to find this job and I have to work 3,000 miles from home with no expense-paid trips back. A couple of years before that I had been unemployed for a year and a half.

The job market in IT is dismal. No matter what you have to offer, there are a hundred other people just as well qualified, and some of them are far more desperate than you are.

With all respect to the sentiment behind it, I would not follow the advice to hold out for the perfect job. This is not the appropriate time to stand by your principles and not settle for second best. If you can get a job that you can tolerate with a salary that even comes close to paying your bills, snap it up and worry about finding a better one later.

The IT industry is moving to other countries, just like steel and cameras and autos before it. That's just the way the U.S. culture and economy works. We're only good in emerging industries. When it comes down to incremental improvement and intiation of QA in mature industries, face it, we suck. It's just not in our nature.

What the world needs now in IT is not whiz-bang new inventions, but simply to make the kind of technology that already exists work better. It's not going to get that from America and everybody except us knows it.

The kind of jobs you qualify for may not be practical to outsource, but you're competing with thousands of software developers whose jobs were outsourced because they couldn't even spell "QA".

If you're young enough to start over, become a nurse or a plumber. It's very unlikely that they will find a way to either automate or offshore-outsource those occupations in your lifetime. If you were my kid I'd tell you to go into plumbing despite the distasteful work that apprentices have to do. Good plumbers make a fortune.

Welcome to the Paradigm Shift.

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I agree

by MirrorMirror In reply to Job huntng sucks

I know what you are going through. Check in with recruiters. Call everyone you know to have them tell you of anything they hear about. Network with your friends. Contact user groups to see if they know of openings. Contact companies directly. There are a lot of openings that are no longer posted on Monster or any other job board.

btw...I checked in the Dallas/Fort Worth market and there are openings. Maybe you need to move??

Hang in there!! Good luck.

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Dice/ Monster/

by Jellimonsta In reply to Job huntng sucks

You should ensure your resume is online and current on the aforementioned sites. Updating it at least every days to keep it on the top of the heap.
You will eventually get a call from a recruiter or two. Otherwise, as mentioned by other members, you can contact the recruiters yourself. IMHO, I would also go for the A+ cert, if you have the study time and experience. Good luck.
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Job Hunting

by stooobeee In reply to Job huntng sucks

First, I want to suggest to you that you are not the only one in the world searching for a job. It is a hard and time-consumming process. I did not work for fourteen months, and it was a very empty feeling to think that my abilities went unnoticed. No matter how you feel inside, one key element must be character, and how you present yourself. Honestly---and that is what you want? Right? An honest opinion?---my first impression of your complaint is that you seem expecting something because you know something. Don't. Keep what you think you ought to have to yourself. No one has time to to feel miserable with you; we are miserable all by ourselves. Say little and keep trying; if you do not try, your success rate drops to zero percent. It is not true that hard work garauntees you a job; it only means your chances improve.

Words, and how you express yourself are very important, not only to potential employers, but to any personal contact. You appear honest and straight-forward, but good judgement in when to throw yourself at someone is crucial; the time not to do that is when you are making a first impression.

By the way, I have been searching for my dream, IT job for over five years. I also have some MS certifications. I lack your experience, but I am tenacious. One day that job will surface, for you as well.

Third, fact most employers...are interested in making money. There are a few who really do care about who they have hired. Communication is all we have, and relationships with others make your job and your life worthwhile. When you speak with others, do not speak as if you are above them, nor behind them. Care enough to be as one who is with them.

I hope these comments are encouraging to you; they are not hidden behind a cloak, but are meant to be ones I might share to your face were we the best of friends. Good luck in your job search.

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Job Hunting

by beads In reply to Job Hunting

As a hiring manager for many years now I can say I have seen a bit of everything. Heres what I am garnering from the Chicagoland market, headhunters and other managerial types:

1.) Certs are nice but they don't replace experience. Its no longer a good way to "break" into the computer/IT field. In fact I find them to be a bit of a hinderance with certain certs that I have learned to mistrust.

2.) Get a four year degree in IT/IS/CS or telecom. An associates degree might be fine for a low level position but many applicants are very qualified with a sheepskin and experience. I look at those folks first. Then where they got there degree, program, classes, etc.

3.) Lastly, certs. Nice icing on the top of the cake but theres got to be some cake under it. Some certs are worth more than others. A M$ 2000 cert is basically a joke and I have torn through the knowledge of more than a couple of paper cert applicants in less than 2 minutes before both admitted they had no clue as to how ADS works beyond some simple GUI explanations. Brain dumps have ruined the certification. That will change as M$ changes the process.

Certs tell me you can study for a test. Really doesn't tell me you can do the work. Thats why interviewing with me can easily take more than two hours. Four if I really want to find out exactly what you really know or don't know.

- beads

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