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Jobless NYC woman sues college for $70K in tuition

By jkameleon ·
Good move! I guess that should tone down shortage shouting a little bit.

IT is constantly trumpeted as a field with chronic skill/workforce shortage. Critical talent crisis is perpetually imminent, predicted incessantly, never to occur.

The whole exercise is nothing but deceptive advertising on a global scale.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hOd5SMu_c48SwH6dYreQ4Cf7JNTQD99R312G0

<i>NEW YORK - A New York City woman who says she can't find a job is suing the college where she earned a bachelor's degree.

Trina Thompson filed a lawsuit last week against Monroe College in Bronx Supreme Court. The 27-year-old is seeking the $70,000 she spent on tuition.

Thompson says she's been unable to find gainful employment since she received her information technology degree in April.

She says the Bronx school's Office of Career Advancement hasn't provided her with the leads and career advice it promises.

Monroe College spokesman Gary Axelbank says Thompson's lawsuit is completely without merit.
The college insists it helps its graduates find jobs.

Information from: New York Post, http://www.nypost.com

Copyright - 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.</i>

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I hope she loses

by Bizzo In reply to Jobless NYC woman sues co ...

Not meaning to sound nasty, but yes, I hope she loses.

If she wins this, then every graduate who passes their degree and cannot find a job will be suing their colleges and universities. If she is successful, I then hope the college is able to revoke her degree.

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Who owns the responsibility?

by GoboSlayer In reply to I hope she loses

I wish for everyone to be able to find work, but at what point does the responsibility become her own? I have a real problem with the idea that anyone is under the assumption that a degree is a guarantee to employment. Then, when employment cannot secured, the university is at fault? Again, I don't wish to accuse anyone, but I simply don't follow this logic.

I also wouldn't hire someone who sued the university for these reasons.

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re. Who owns the responsibility

by kjohnson In reply to Who owns the responsibili ...

The responsibility becomes her own if she takes a degree subject which does not purport to enhance her employment prospects, doesn't work hard enough at university to get a good degree class, leaves university without taking the final examination, or doesn't look for work seriously after graduating.

With the way the government and the universities have been vaunting enhanced prospects of employment and higher salaries for graduates, you can't just let them off the hook if they turn out to have been giving what in other circumstances would be a False Description By Way Of Trade.

If I represent some contingency to you as "If you do A and B then I will do C in exchange," then I am responsible for doing C after you've done A and B. QED.

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I hope she wins

by kjohnson In reply to I hope she loses

This is not relevant to the US, but it is relevant to the UK.

Until Phoney Tony became Prime Minister, you could go to university for nothing and claim a small termly income to buy food and pay rent.

Mr Blair abolished that system, largely on the pretext (which turned out to be untrue, but that's another story) that since graduates earn on average more than non graduates, graduates could afford to pay for their qualifications.

Therefore, if someone pays thirty or forty thousand pounds and gains a good degree, is heavily in debt, and is unemployed after several months despite searching for work in good faith, I think that person is suffering the consequences of a politically motivated management failure and deliberate misrepresentation and has a good case for being compensated.

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What will happen if she wins this...

by kjohnson In reply to I hope she loses

I do not agree. If she wins this, then any graduate who can't get a job will at least expect a damn good explanation, coupled with compensation where the university has caused especial hardship. In future, the universities might like to stop bragging about how a degree can ensure you get a good job unless they can prove it. There is nothing wrong with a university inviting people to study a subject they love because they love it, with no enhanced job prospect.

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I'm curious

by boxfiddler Moderator In reply to Jobless NYC woman sues co ...

as to just when her life became someone else's responsibility.

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About responsibility

by jkameleon In reply to I'm curious

College degree is a huge investment of time, effort, and money. Even in countries, where tuition is paid by the state, there are opportunity costs.

Investor who loses money to stock pump and dump scheme, can easily press criminal charges against the boiler room operators who conned him. He's not (fully) responsible for his loss, because he made his investment decision based on deceptive information.

IMHO, similar logic should apply to education too. Many people make a decision to invest into an IT degree based on false, deceptive information, like "There is a huge shortage of qualified IT professionals, employers are complaining they can't fill the job positions, blah blah".

It's about time someone got the idea to sue a worthless degree peddler. I only wish this had happened sooner.

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That's not the point.

by Bizzo In reply to About responsibility

The woman isn't suing because she has a worthless degree. She's suing because she cannot get a job after getting the degree. She says that the college "hasn't provided her with the leads and career advice it promises". Getting a degree isn't a guarantee of a job. It's the stepping stone to get a better career, but with anything, you need to put the effort in to get what you want out.

Why should the college be solely responsible for getting her a job? Yes, they can help and offer advice, but ultimately it's down to her to put in the legwork.

After all, she's 27 years old, intelligent enough to get a degree, but still want a job handed to her on a plate.

Again, there's not a lot of information in the article, but at face value, the college isn't to blame. It might be a different thing if the college guaranteed her a job, but that's not been said.

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Well, it's a beginning

by jkameleon In reply to That's not the point.

I agree with you about Thompson's arguments not being the most well-chosen, but basically, the idea is not bad.

Class lawsuit against ITAA, BCS, various "getting women/youth/minorities/whomever into technology" initiatives etc would be an nice next step. As I've said before, these people are no better than boiler room swindlers.

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Jobs handed to you on a plate

by kjohnson In reply to That's not the point.

The universities did arrange "milk round" visits in days gone by. In the former Soviet Union jobs for graduands were arranged months in advance, so graduates in engineering or foreign languages (for instance) stepped into a good, paid job as soon as their Finals paper had been marked. I believe Thailand operates a similar system for postgraduate degrees, although I may be mistaken about that.

If the student takes an "employable" degree on the understanding that he (she) will be able to get a job after graduating, and the student puts in the leg work and can prove it, for example by remaining eligible for Job Seeker's Allowance for two years after graduating, I'd say that student has a good case for being compensated for all the work and money they have sunk into their degree.

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