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By cheiring ·
Letter of recommendation

Long time reader first time poster. I have worked for this small company part time for the last 8 months and I came on knowing that it maybe a while before I go full time if ever. I have recently gotten engaged to my girlfriend of 4 years and can see the expenses coming. So as a response I went back to my boss with the good news and asked if I was ever going to be going full time. He responded with ?I would love for you to come on full time but the budget just isn't there yet?.

So I went on the job search for a full time job. I found one at our local school district, it is the exact same job I will am doing now but for more money and its full time. Now here is the catch, I need 3 letters of recommendation, I could get them from old employers but I have not worked for some of these people for years. I want the most up to date recommendations I can get so how do I go about asking my boss for a letter of recommendation without making him come up with something to fire me over. If I can pull this off, I can get 3 really good recommendations out of this company.

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My thought

by Tink! In reply to Letter of recommendation

is that if you have already approached your boss about going full-time and he has denied you, then he should have some understanding to why you would be looking elsewhere.

If you approach him again with a very friendly but matter-of-fact attitude and make him realize that you wished you could have been full-time with the company but as they cannot fund it, you needed to seek a position elsewhere. You have enjoyed your time with this company and would appreciate the positive backing.

At least something to that effect anyway.
Good luck!
Tink

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Word of warning

by JamesRL In reply to My thought

I would suspect that you might not get a very positive reaction. It depends of course on the personality.

I would not approach him unless you are prepared to leave - ie could afford to live without the salary for a bit. I would sit him down and suggest you want to pursue a fulltime job, and ask him how he feels about you staying on until you find something. He will then either suggest you resign, give notice, or he will accept you staying on and looking. When you do it that way, you can follow up with a question abou8t references.

James

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Salary

by cheiring In reply to Word of warning

No, I really don't have the means to be without a job right now, so I do think you are right on that I shouldn't say anything unless I can afford to get fired, resign, etc... As for personality, at a flip of a coin he can change from very supportive to unapproachable.

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Definitely don't include current boss, then

by MiddlingMgr In reply to Salary

If your boss is sometimes unapproachable, that is a sign he is likely to turn on you once he knows you are looking elsewhere. You will be treated differently as he then knows he can't count on you to be around long, and many bosses, I think, even take it as a form of rejection of them so they are a bit resentful and/or stand-offish once you lay out your cards.

Just the fact he keeps employing you for this service indicates to your current prospect that you are at least satisfactory to that employer, so use others for your recommendation.

As another tactic, on my last job change, I told them they could contact my supervisor once they had talked to everyone else and made an offer that could be contingent upon my current supervisor's opinion. That way I knew I wasn't just 1 of 2,3 or more finalists. I explained to the prospect that my current supervisor would take my looking for a job somewhere else very personally and negatively, and that I didn't want to risk losing that job unless they were committed to hiring me. That approach worked for me.

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Do Not Go To Your Boss

by Wayne M. In reply to My thought

Remember, the new job is not guaranteed. If you tell your current boss and the new job falls through, you have bascially ended your prospects of going full-time at your current company.

I don't think there will be a real negative in not having a reference from your current company (that is the norm - no current company reference), especially if you have only been there 8 months.

Also, remember, many companies have a policy of only providing confirmation of salary and employment dates. Unless you are very good friends with the recommender, do not expect a glowing review that will give you a job. Focus on finding adequate recommendations that will not shoot down your job opportunity.

Good luck and don't worry too much about the references. Sell yourself well in a face-to-face interview and the rest won't matter!

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Others

by jdmercha In reply to Letter of recommendation

I don't think I would ever ask my boss for a letter of reccomendation. Do you have any coworkers that know your work? I'd ask them first.

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Others is a good idea

by WelshBilly In reply to Letter of recommendation

It would be better to get recommendations from others.
Have you spoken to the company your looking at for a full time job?

Also if it's a small business your boss may appreciate more notice in order to get a replacement.

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Just Wait

by projmgr_ks In reply to Letter of recommendation

When you interview for a new job, most potential employers won't ask for your references until after you've passed the first round of interviews, and usually only as a last and final check before making an offer. I would line up two other reference letters, from outside your present company. Wait until after you are sure you have a 90% shot at this job until you ask your present boss for a reference. You could also ask for a reference from an understanding peer at your present job (who can keep their mouth shut). Most people who are hiring will understand your reluctance to approach your current supervisor.

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Other thoughts

by Diane123 In reply to Letter of recommendation

Firtly, every single job (if possible) you should get a letter of recommendation from. This shows continuity of good work. It is more than understandable that the last job will not come with a letter of recommendation, because of the possibility of being fired. So, in my opinion, get all the paperwork you can from previous employers, and then when you have a new job, then ask your present employer for a letter as well. This will stock up your archive.
Once you have a new job, you also have a bargaining chip - to approach him with a real offer, not a hypotheses, in case he wants to better the offer.

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Ask others for a letter

by PCW In reply to Other thoughts

Letters do not need to come from your present employer. If this is your first real job consider someone from your last school, your church or the police department. Anyone who has known you for say three years or more. Make sure the person will give you a serious evaluation of you, your ethics, work habits, reliability etc. Get two of these and you will only need one from your present job. Think of someone from another department, another supervisor you can trust and then maybe a senior co-worker. You can approach your current boss but you should expect to be fired. It may have just the opposite effect, you could be wooed with carrots to get you to stay, but you should be prepared just the same. You can quit a job then be talked into staying but there is always the risk you will have lost trust which can be dangerous.

Pete

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