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mrafrohead brought up a good point in another thread, so it is to him that I will credit this since it really isn't my idea Per Se`. Who here would think a LIVE chat room would be a good thing? I for one think it a great Idea. There have been rumblings that the forum format is not engaging enough, there are a lot of us who think faster than we can post, and for the most part it is just a little more interesting to see a debate come into shape in real time. If tech republic does not want to loose its forum, and it would be a shame to really, then they could keep it and post the interesting minutes from real time discussions as forum topics to be addressed by the people who were not in on the discussion. The down side, there would be a lot of us that would do nothing but sit around and chat all day long =P...what do you all think? I for one vote Yes...
oh and windex to all who reply =)

-duck

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by lordinfidel

But then you lose the advantage of formulating your response.

And there are lot's of times where I will start to post and then have to leave to do something. Leaving my original typing still on the screen.

That would be the only disadvantage I would see. And if no one is on-line and chatting at the same time, then it starts to look dead.

It would be interesting though to debate people in real time.

by jkaras

I definetly agree that the chatting would make this site a lot more informative to those like me trying to learn. Sometimes I dont understand the jargon or acronyms and require clarification. With this site live it could put more things into perspective as you gurus enlighten the info lacking. Only drawback is that most companies forbid chat rooms due to security or time consumption away from duties. In my case with working for a gov office they dont want any negative backlash from reports running stories of how their dollars are being spent having employees chatting. Who knows, if TR does this right it might create a work around this issue. I repectfully challenge the TR team to make this happen to enhance their remarkable site.

by mrafrohead

I have a workaround.

If we do go ahead and implement it, you'll see it;)

It's called port 8080 ;)

Mrafrohead

by jellimonsta

I agree.... the live chat format would be a great way to exchange experiences and ideas. As you mention though the ability to debate issues in real time would really be the kicker!
I imagine there is some kind of Tech Chat is yahoo or one of the similar chat service providers but TR would be a different league.

by maxwell edison

I think that the discussion forum has its place and always will. I agree with LordInfidel in regards to his comment about having the time to formulate an appropriate response. What one would say "shooting from the hip" could differ greatly from a more thought out response. (And for a grammatical "anal" like me, I need the time to proofread, spell check, etc.)

However, a "real time" debate would indeed be fun and interesting. But a more practical application could be the vehicle for providingsome real-time help with some real world troubleshooting.

>>>>>>>>>>

"Okay, wait a minute. Let me try that."

"Nope, that wasn't it. But now I'm getting a different error message that says..."

"Well then try this..."

"Enter this command. What do you see?"

<<<<<<<<<<

Of course, Lordinfidel would be kept busy helping everyone in the world with their Web sites and remote connections.

by admin

position the way you describe it!

HAving both would be cool though :)

by guruofdos

Well...for all my colleagues over that side of the pond you only have to work with a 3 hour time difference, coast to coast. Europe is 5-6 hours ahead of EST and then there are our cousins in Asia and the Antipodes.

It's bad enough having to dealwith California over the phone! They are just finishing the newspapers and starting the second cup of coffee as I'm about to head for home!

There is a solid core of participants in many of the debates, but getting us together in one room at the same time may pose a problem.

As I write this, it's almost 3am here in the UK, so I am a bit of a night owl but often I get on at 9am here so most Americans are in bed.

Be nice to chat though!!!

by oldefar

I use both ICQ and MSN on a regular basis. Maybe its my age, but I see some drawbacks.

First, the time differences can be killers. I chat with techs in Singapore, Egypt, Denmark, and England in addition to the US. These are always situations where one party is closing down his day and the other starting. US only is still just a 5 hour window.

Next, with just a 1 to 1 chat it is easy to get a couple of thought threads going at once. With each additional person these threads grow geometrically, and chaos comes into play.

MSN does not store the sessions so there is no archive to refer to. Not a problem with ICQ.

All these ads that surround the forum section is what pays for the forum. Will TechRepublic find a sponsor for the chats?

Maybe the better approach is to allow members to post their IM addresses along with their emails in their peer profiles?

by mrafrohead

I am really excited to hear that there are others that like this idea. The funniest part is that I just posted to another thread, was getting ready to start THIS thread right here, and then once I clicked send reply the three topics at the bottom showed. I saw this and just about passed out. I couldn't believe it was already started;)

Okay, well, I read all of the threads and then when I started a reply my PC took the honors of rebooting itself all by itself... So I don't remember who said what already and I'm too lazy to reread everything again. So please don't get mad if I don't recall who said what. I just remember what was said.

First off... I agree with BOTH or just this. This is the original and that can never be changed. The chat room would just be an add on.

As for timezones and all of that stuff. That is what will keep the channel alive. When those of us on one side of the world sleep the others will do their business.

I use IRC A LOT. I think that this is the route I want to take this. I know there are ways to port it through a web site live. I just need to figure out how;)

I have some bots for security. I have to get in touch with TechRepublic to make sure that they don't mind though, that's most important. I don't want any infrigements going on;)

One thing though. I don't know HTML, I may need some help with that, if someone can volunteer their abilities.

We'll need to make some temporary rules as there is an authority system on IRC. You have regular users, voices which have immunity and extended rights. Then Ops, which are Admins.

As for being asleep when people post and missing it. You can log EVERYTHING and read at your leisure. If you are online, messages can be sent so you can individually talk to users.

by mrafrohead

I have a Channel setup temporarily to hold it until I hear from you guys to see if this is the route you want to go and then I will present it to TechRepublic to see if they're interested.

If you want to visit it to see if the format is something you're interested in this is how.

It's on IRC. If you are using Windows there is a program called mIRC. It's shareware. 30days for free for trial. It's a full trial though, not a crippled program. The most current version is 6.03. Make sure you get it from http://www.mirc.com ONLY! Do NOT download it from any other site. You don't want to install backdoors on your system.

There are also some security scripts that can be added to it that are free. Let me know if you're interested in those and I can help you out with them.

If you are using a flavor of Linux, you should know what IRC is already and how to get on it;) If not, respond here and I'll help you with it.

For Windoze users: I am setup on a network called EFNET. Once you pick the EFNET network you can then log onto a server. Once on a server type /join #Techrepublic and you will join the channel. You'll see me in there and that's how you'll know you're there.

If you are at work and you need to join use port 8080 and type in this command. /server irc.secsup.uu.net:8080

That will get you through your firewalls if you are allowed to browse the internet. you will notice a hit on port 113. That is normal, don't be worried about it. It's trying to verify your IDENT.

Another thing just so ya know. Again, this is temporary. I am going to figure out how to get it done so you don't need to do all of this, but instead you just click a link and it automatically does everything for you and logs you into the right places and all you have to do is just pick yourself a nick;)

Mrafrohead

by mallardtooxx

okay i am on the channel, I will be your guinea pig. Lets give this awhirl, at the very least it could prove fun =)
-duck

by tomsal

I could see it being somewhat useful.

On the other hand, I wouldn't want chat to totally replace the forums though.

I use TR mostly at work - and I'm up and around a lot here so I can't really stay seated in from of my screen for long periods at a time.

But for 15 minutes here and there when I have a question. It would be cool to be able to peck someone's brain live.

by mrafrohead

In my honest opinion.

NOTHING can replace the forum as it stands, except maybe a more convenient format, but it would still be a forum. The live chat, would just be an addon.

I can say this though. If it EVER came down to one or the other, live chat would be the first to go in a vote by me. This is the start here, and this should ALWAYS be here.

You don't want to forget your roots;)

Mrafrohead

by mallardtooxx

Okay mrafrohead and I have made contact through mirc. Granted this is not the most secure systme in the world. however i think it could turn the tide of this forum. Like i said the interesting minutes could be captured and condensed to show the gist of whichever debate. This would allow others to pick up the debate and offer thier opinions. I think this is something that could prove useful and allow people to seek real time advice on real time problems as well as allow better explanation to people who normally would not get the chance for clarification. I for one would not discourage my employees from participating in a chat forum (see sounds better than chat room doesn't it?) that would allow them to better do their jobs. This alsoallows better insight into the problem when it is looked at from different perspectives. Chat Forum....hmm I like the sound of that......Windex for everyone!!!

-duck

by mrafrohead

For those that are using an IRC client, I have a few utilities and resources to better improve the security.

Once it is ported through the site if that route is chosen, we can definately lock it down, as there will only be one source of avenue touse and not multiple choices as on the client version.

Mrafrohead

by tbragsda

Whatever we would gain from real-time, would be lost to incomplete posts. When someone takes time to wright a reply, research etc. its better.

I guess that it would be fun on just a debate, but my vote would be no.

I would rather see time spent improveing this forum. I have seen much better forums on non-tech sites. Thats a bit backwards.

by mrafrohead

I concur, work does need to be done on this forum also. And I think that that is a task that we as members here can help to accomplish.

As I stated before in another thread, there are plenty of Open Source Forum programs that we can switch to, IF TR is interested in that type of thing.

The Chat "Forum" is just an addon, not a take over. I still think that this forum needs an overhaul and I think that we should seriously consider working on implementing that.

The chat is not to replace this though, just addon, if the community agrees.

Mrafrohead

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